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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts. or watch on YouTube. DJ Them Jeans, Chris Black, back on the ones and twos here from beautiful Los Angeles, California. How are you feeling, Jason? Wonderful, man. I'm trying to go to the gym. Just every day? That's every day? Are you talking about the Wiz Khalifa song? It's kind of the motto. Never. Okay. Never, ever talking about Wiz Khalifa. That's one thing you will always know. Sure, as the ticking clock. One thing about me is I'm never talking about Wiz Khalifa. Good to know. Good to know. Yeah, yeah. I'm bullish on never listening to Wiz Khalifa. I've found that I'm just a wound-up little rubber band ball, and every day that I can unwind and untangle and untense that ball of rubber bands, I'm just a better person in general. I'm less annoyed. I'm less annoying. I can't tell, but I believe you. If you want, I can get picante on you. Is that what you would prefer, Chris? Do you want me to be unstretched and over-caffeinated? No, no, no. I would hate that. If you don't do your little rolling around on the mat at Equinox, I know you come in a little too spicy for me, a little too picante for me. Just because you're so much stronger than I am doesn't mean you always have to insult my workouts rolling around on the floor. No, I mean, that's what stretching is. That's just the name of the game. That's not an attack. Oh, I don't stretch anymore, Chris. I'm post-stretch. My trainer told me that stretching's good. Oh, you're training.

My trainer is post-stretch. You sound like my dad. Okay, what's his logic? Because my trainer's logic is like, you know, he's got caveman swag, so he's like... I was going to say, I was going to say. You knew, you could see caveman swag coming. I'm like, dad, do you ever stretch after you run? He's like, no. I'm like, dad, do you ever stretch before you run? He was like, no. Why would I do that? It's just not even something he's ever taken into account. I'm starting to see where some of your stubborn tendencies come from, Chris. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Not a good union. But I think it's like one of those situations where this is a modern thing that we've decided is really important. We all have to do. And it does feel good. But maybe you can be too loose. That's a possibility. It's very similar to your water thing. Exactly, exactly. I'm sure your dad is the same thing. Back in my day, boy. You know, drink from the hose if you get too tired and too hot when you're – otherwise, you know, you never do that. And stretching, that's for the birds. You're trying to get cramps. Exactly. But I'm doing a lot of things that are very similar to stretching, but they're just not stretching. And it's weird because that's not a rebranding at all. Trust me. Okay. It feels like a little bit like, oh, you thought you knew stretching? Let me show you the Vim Jeans way. And it's stretching but a rebrand. This is actually kind of interesting because this is a subject that I've talked about with my partner. And my girlfriend, she does hot yoga and Pilates a lot. Like multiple times a week, she's doing hot Pilates mostly. Okay, bro. We get it. She's hot. Chill. This is part of the story. This is pertinent information that she is in hot yoga multiple times a week. And she'll do a Pilates class like once a week probably. Whenever I get it wrong, whenever I'm like, oh, do you have like yoga today? She'll be like, no, I have Pilates. And it's not just stretching. It's like really hard. It's like a really serious workout. You've never done Pilates, just to be clear. That is right. But the point is.

I'm not doing any type of attacking. It's more of just me being like, oh, I thought you had yoga today. I got it mixed up with Pilates. My bad kind of thing. I'm not paying close attention to your fitness schedule the way that you're not paying close attention to mine. But people get a little tense and weird about their personal workouts where all I did was just get something wrong or like a misunderstanding of what the workout is. But she got a little defensive and a little lash-out-y. You probably just think I'm doing these cute little stretches. I'd like to see you come in and do half the shit that I'm doing. And sometimes I feel that same way about my workout, and you might feel that same way about your workout. I know that you, Carolyn, or Alex can't do my workout. There's no question. So I don't really think that ever. I know, but the point is, and you kind of helped make that point, is I cannot do your workout. You cannot do my girlfriend's workout. Your girlfriend can't do my workout. I'm painting with a broad brush, but there's many things that I do every day when I'm working out that you probably can't do as well, even though you are a much better, much stronger person. I just need to jump in here while you're slandering me. There's no slander. The thing is, I could do all of the workouts, Jason, because I have the will. and the need to do them, whether I could do them as good, you know, my form might not be as good. Exactly, Chris. You have the will. You have the need. You're stubborn as a bar now. But there's a lot of things that you can't just pick up an F1 car and be like, all right, I'm going to drive this thing 200 miles an hour. Do not talk about F1. Jesus Christ. I'm sick of big F1. You can't pick up a big Bertha and swing a fucking 400-yarder perfectly. Things take time and skill and practice and dedication. Well, no, but you're talking about skills. Driving a car is a skill. Hitting a golf ball is a skill. It's not athletic. That's the difference. You get to a certain level of athletic ability, and these workouts are challenging and different, but you can't accomplish them in a way that is beneficial to you.

You know what I mean? Like I can go and do a Pilates class and I'm not going to be as good as the 10 hot chicks in the class and they might laugh at me and my grip socks might not fit that well. But I will complete the workout and I will be sore the next day and I will still feel like I accomplished something because I pushed myself. And I think that is the real goal here. And I think that's why we all have to be open. to new things when it comes to physical and our body. I agree. I'm not just talking about sheepskin condoms. Well, but I'm saying just because you have the will and the dedication doesn't mean that you can complete all of these workouts. Oh, I can complete them. I will finish the workout because I paid $50. I'm going to finish the workout. No, I'm not talking about a class. I'm just saying like the same way that you can do 100 push-ups and I probably can't. And I can do 30 pull-ups and you probably can't. That's right. Will you just be like, no, I'm just going to do 30? Like, do you have that level of will where you're like, I'm just going to summon this strength that. I didn't know existed inside of me and just knock out 30 pull-ups? No, no, no, no. The way that you would kind of approach a situation like that is you do five. You have to break it up. Of course, of course. You could definitely do 100 push-ups if you spread them out throughout the day or whatever. You could definitely do it. Maybe you dropped to your knees or something. I'm not done. You ain't dropping to your knees for no bitch is what you're saying. No, no, no. I would never. I want to talk about last night and the guy that we saw. Because that hasn't left my mind. Oh, yeah. We had a nice dinner, a nice little podcast meeting down at SVB, the bungalows. We hit the bungalows. I still have the sticker on my iPhone 12 mini. You know Jason's a slut. He keeps the sticker on. And they're going to be like, oh. I thought our meeting with Kyle, I thought Kyle might have been the guy in front of us. Sadly, it wasn't. But we pulled up at the valet behind a...

sparkling 2022 ford f-150 with the the giant mud tires it has the big screen well chris it was the lariat edition i think that's all you need to say and i'm sorry i understand what you're referring to i apologize so we pull up so well you should set the scene for our listeners who don't know what we're talking about this is like a this is a fancy kind of private celeb hot spot in west hollywood members only industry types It's usually just Persian guys with rude t-shirts and jogger sweatpants. Their conversation is, what's the move tonight, bro? Yes, those guys were next to us. The level of their conversation was... comparing and contrasting the strip clubs in different canadian cities i love when guys like that get together when there's like four guys in all they're all wearing different combinations of the worst streetwear you've ever seen yeah hundred thousand dollar watches yeah and like they're a little bit overweight they're like a little bit they could just party too much they got 1942 belly but they still keep i look over the but i do look over those guys i'm like damn i wonder what these guys talk about do they even like each other or do they just sit around each other and do stuff because they don't know what else to do. I think their moms all tell them that they have to go have dinner together. And then they're like, what do you like to do? Shopping strip club? I like shopping strip club. There's nothing else. I can't imagine what they have in common besides their parents are probably friends. The F-150 is in front of us idling, destroying the environment. I'm like, damn, who pulls up? I think I uttered this to you. I was like, who pulls up in this? This is kind of like a wild look. And this motherfucker, this guy gets out of the... Also, this truck is so high that it's got the kind of things that... The stepping stool that automatically comes down so you can take a little break on your way down. Yeah, when Mrs. Black can't reach the Nutterbutters on the top shelf and your dad's at the office.

She pulls that little stepladder out. You got to get the supreme stepladder out. And so this guy gets out of the car, and I'm just like, what? He's wearing like a navy blazer. Pretty tight. Tight, but then his jeans are tight enough where you could see his panty line. The baby fats are painted on. They are painted on with a brush. They were gray. They looked cheap. They were skin tight. And I'm like, okay, this is a bad look. It looked like cheap Mondays that I stole in 2011. 100%. And then you get down to the shoes, and this guy has got on a giant pair of, like, proper sand suede-colored Moab level. Yeah. Merrill hiking boots on. This ain't no keen shit. This is some real... Yeah, like you would step on a rattlesnake and kill him with these. You know what I mean? It's like, it's truly... You put those on, people start calling you private. No, exactly. Yeah. And I'm just like... What the fuck on earth is this guy doing? He's got sunglasses on. His hair is all quaffed. I'm like, this is truly one of the wildest fits I've ever seen in my life. And then he's meeting – he's got a woman with him, which is shocking that anybody would be seeing with this guy. I'm assuming she's a lawyer or something. Definitely. She's being paid to be there. Exactly. She represents him. So they meet up with the homies, and they're walking up to the door, and we're behind him. And I hear him talk about – The horses that he owns in the desert. No, his friend was saying like, hey man, what's up with the truck? And he's like, wait a minute, don't you have like a bunch of horses in the desert? And he was trying to kind of play it cool. Maybe he told his friend to tell him, hey, don't you have a bunch of horses in front of the chicks? So their cowboy hoes will be impressed by his equine equity. When those buckle bunnies hear about the horses in the desert, the toffee is incoming. You said how many horses? I mean, again, I'm sure somebody's going to explain to me how this works because everybody's fucking annoying, but it seems like the desert might be too hot to keep horses there safely. I agree. Unless it's a horses pop-up at Coachella, I don't think I would.

I would put any thoroughbreds over there. Unless it's a Negroni in a barn that's painted nice blue, I don't think it's going to work for me. All right. I'm picturing the watering trough just filled with Hendrix Gin Negronis. That's a good idea for Coachella 2023. All right. We do have a guest today, Ryland Blackington. is one of my actually old homies that I've known for years that we will discuss how I know him. He's a composer, musician, guitar player, and I see him at Easton getting his pump on quite frequently as well. He's a Burbank sympathizer like Jason. And I can't wait to kind of get into it with him. There's a lot to discuss here. Also, Chris, he's a member of Chili Hive. He enjoys eating bowls of chili. So there's even more things in common with you. Great. And with you and with Chris Blackington and Ryland Blackington. I can't wait to go to the bathroom where you guys talk about chili. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, so do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly, a website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could, you know, have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services. That might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. Show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early. And we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional as your competition, if not more.

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They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Ryland, welcome to How Long Gone. How many compressors are you running this track through right now, or is it kind of raw? Just one. Nice preamps. The heads will tell you it's more about the preamps. Okay, okay. Do you think you might add some sauce to it, or do you expect Jason to kind of handle all that? We talked a little bit about a collab, about maybe just a merging of our sonic palettes. I think there's some opportunity for maybe some spatial audio. I kind of want to feel... Behind you? Oh, like how it sounds on Rogan, you mean. Yeah, totally. I got the Rogan arm. Is that what Rogan... I don't listen to Rogan enough. You're saying spatial audio, which is something that Apple promotes to me every single day that I'll never use. It makes it sound like someone's behind you. It's piss. It's so bad. It actually it. The thing is, it just I hate it. It just started happening. You don't get to choose to turn it on. I think I think they just sort of like, oh, oh, they've they've installed it in every song. Here's what it is. I was actually I was at the gym. I was listening to a podcast and then like turned to the right and then suddenly. someone yeah they're like behind you it's you don't want to be surrounded by uh podcasters whenever when i listen to rogan which is rare but it does happen every once in a while and it'll sort of be like in stereo like he'll be in the left ear and the guest will be in the right ear and i'm like yeah i understand like it's nice to have a little differentiation between the two but it's just it's so pointless it's like everyone's listening with with air pods we don't need it let's do mono and be done with it guys How long gone is here? We're doing some tech talk here. We're doing gear sluts. We're doing ZZZ sounds. We're doing Pensado's place. I think people that are professionally mix and master music for a living.

are the only people that can actually hear all the shit that everybody thinks they can hear. 100%. That's what I've decided. It's about dollars. It's about selling the same record twice. 100%. 100%. It's the deluxe edition for corny white people. That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. Because I was listening to my favorite podcast, Joe Budden, yesterday, and they were talking about how the Chris Brown deluxe. they were upset about the new breezy deluxe they're like bro there's 10 extra songs of deluxe but they're all throwaways i'm like that's every fucking deluxe why are you so surprised that's always deluxes there's never any little chestnuts on there that are like better than anything on the record not even chris brown can create a deluxe album that isn't full of filler logically the best songs are gonna go on the album that's just that's that's what happens so the ones that aren't as good don't need to see the light of day. It just doesn't need to happen. It's for the heads. Yeah, it's for the heads, but sell them to somebody, for God's sakes. Isn't that what you do? Yeah. Isn't that what the whole point is? You'd think. Rylan, what are some of your favorite Chris Brown songs? Yeah, times three. Because at the time when it came out... there were three other songs that sounded like that, including one of my bands, and that was just a moment. That was a moment for a chord progression. And also, you know, when one yeah isn't enough. I really respect that one. I just love it because the literal actual song title is Yeah 3X. Oh, got it. But it really is called Yeah x 3. That's the official title of the song. And it's about moving your body and drinking, you know? Yeah. That was our core values back at that time in the Akon decade of songwriting. How could we forget about the goat Akon? Isn't he on some usher shit where he discovered someone and makes a fortune off of them? Lady Gaga. Oh, that's right. He signed Gaga. That's what it is. The big one's Gaga. That is so cool, man. Akon, Red One, and Gaga.

You know, an unlikely sort of band of rascals. Well, that's... I'd like to imagine Akon now, even though Lady Gaga's the biggest star in the world, Oscars, Grammy, you know. And Akon's treating her like an employee still. He's like, where's my fucking money, bitch? Big Ike Turner energy. Basically, rappers always sign shitty production deals, and they're locked in forever. It doesn't matter what you do. I have to pay this guy that gave you $100,000 in cash for studio time for the rest of your career. Yeah, non-recoopable. That is the typical deal format for a lot of those, yeah. You've done a lot of record deals, right? No, mostly publishing stuff, production deals, things like that. Well, publishing deals pay more money. Yeah, they're all bank loans, though. That's sort of the big thing. There's been a lot of really public examples of when someone's like, so-and-so won't let me out of my deal, and they always fail to mention that it's like they agreed not to be let out of the deal based on certain terms. There's this new trend of whoever wrote the deal is evil, and all of those stories are worth it. kind of looking looking into a little more usually i used to get so upset about that because i'm like you signed a contract that your lawyer looked at what do you what do you matt no one's evil here you did something that you regret nine times out of ten that is 100 correct yeah yeah you goofed up you or you were excited and you got excited about the advance which is excited like look when you're you know whatever you're 22 and you've never seen a check like that you're like yeah free money and It's a loan. It's just a bank. Some really big, cheesy guy, I can't remember who, some big, cheesy producer said that to me when I was first starting out. He's a guy who worked with Gaga now that I think about it. And he was like, look, man, a publishing deal is just a bank loan, man. And I was like, yeah. I was just so stoned or something. I was like, yeah, man. But then it really sort of, I've ruminated on it over the years.

You're telling me Max Martin was right. And I always thought that Max Martin was right. But I wanted to tease this in the intro about how you and I know each other. We've known each other for quite a long time. Which is crazy. It is crazy. Why is it crazy? Well, it's just a funny – it's funny to reconnect years later after being part of what I would call a revolutionary movement. Maybe one of the last revolutionary movements. okay i haven't really connected the dots by the way i wanted to i didn't do any homework on this because i thought maybe we would explore but like i don't know how chris black pop punk manager potentially the one who penned the mtv band in the bubble deal then became a sort of lovably pretentious sartorial power lifting sober queen i have no idea i don't know anything about in between you didn't have that on your bingo card in 2022 yeah it's been a long it's been a long arduous journey but we're here but i think that that getting into the ins and outs of um your time in cobra starship is something i know jason is very interested in and and the first question that we must ask is How many purple hoodies did you have? The funny thing is, I've always hated a zip-up hoodie. Like, way back, I didn't like the functionality of a zip-up hoodie. But, yeah, just simply by proximity, 12. Just because you were in the bus. Yeah. But, I mean, were you in bands before that and then joined? Or was this like, this wasn't your first rodeo? It was definitely my first rodeo of that caliber, but no, I was actually just an enthusiast as far as music is concerned, and I was getting out of theater school, and I moved to New York to be an actor. And then I had a friend from Florida who I was just sort of making music with for fun.

And we would play, I don't even remember where, like Rockwood Music Hall or whatever, or even before that, you know, these little venues. And then Gabe saw us play there, and then that's how I got asked to step on the merry-go-round. I like your stuff, big fella. Yeah, so Gabe... plucked you from obscurity and said come up to the big leagues chief he pulled up in his limo and i was on the side of the road and a plume of cigar smoke came out you know you had a guitar he said get in blue eyes yeah were you like yeah i'm just gonna do this or were you like this is the path that my life okay that's that was my question no i i always want to be really honest about this because so at the time you know this is new york like 2004 i guess i'm an actor aka a caterer um a manny i had a i had a million little side jobs and one of them was i was an intern at golf magazine the golf magazine yeah the golf magazine okay and um yeah i was working right across from uh 30 rock at the time time warner sort of building yeah yeah and i would do archives i would go through and just find mentions of of things and then archive them basically super mundane and i came across a gabe had actually asked me to come to a practice space and check out some songs and i did it and he was interested in me because i played synths and i had synths and he wanted to sort of bring that into i guess pop punk sort of i really dig your electronic sound bro exactly exactly and yeah i We played a couple songs. I wasn't totally feeling it. We were in Jersey City or something, and I sort of stepped away. Being in a practice space in Jersey City doesn't really sell the dream. No, but I loved his energy. I had a close friend in the band as well, and it was fun, but I was like, I'm trying to be an actor. I'm doing this other stuff. Then I'm doing the archives, and I see a mention. It's a picture of Gabe with Samuel L. Jackson, Maya from The Sounds, and someone else, and I'm like, I text him.

Hey, is this thing still going? Is it like this every day, Gabe? Yeah, is the deal still fresh? And he was really cool about it, about my unbelievable shift in integrity. I appreciate that. Yeah, that was it. I appreciate it. I got to just be real. I got to be raw with it. So I got to be honest. I joined a band because it means I could be hanging out with famous hot people. you know the way i reasoned with it i was like well this is still performing you know and this is the next best thing if i can't if i can't do shakespeare in the park let's do cobra starship at the palladium sure the way that chris has said a whole is a whole uh you're saying a stage is a stage yeah got it got it got it god i love the performing arts is is the so so is the acting is the acting it wasn't was it not popping or were you just maybe not patient enough i think a little from column a a little from column b sure sure you know it was i was like you know i went to florida state university big acting school i was sort of sort of decorated is that the carnegie melon of the panhandle or is that a hundred percent good to know good so i had i had gotten a job out of uh college at a at the pearl theater actually on saint mark's and first avenue so just dusty old classical theater shakespeare moliere that stuff and yeah it was just too maybe just too hard i also come from a very realistic family they're like look this might suck you're not going to be a star go do something else which i find so soothing then you're going to make it whatever it takes you know yeah yeah it was like two years of I had a stipend of $250 a month from being in plays off Broadway. And then I was working at Golf Magazine making $300 a week and whatever, going to Miss Shapes and spending all of it in a night. And I just, yeah, I wanted to get off that merry-go-round and on to a better one. I don't know. I think it's because we all are...

no p i know a lot of people in bands that have been successful at different levels so it seems very normal to me yeah whereas acting to me is like what bro yeah like i just don't i just like i don't really know people that are like successful actors because they think it's it's a different i mean i do from the gym we go to because there's a lot of guys with no jobs that are i was just gonna say good looking it's an actor that are there at 11 a.m yeah but i just don't it just seems like a like being in a band it's i don't know it just seems like there's a more there's there's more uh opportunity for success and you're with other people so it's a little more fun as an actor you're always waiting to be chosen you don't have of i mean the the worst is when actors get fed up with waiting and then they write their own shit i mean that is like the literal worst stuff and i feel for them some of them do well for a couple years and then they have a big dip and they have like way too much time and they don't pivot you know so it's a tough yeah yeah it's a really tough path if you're a musician You have a shot at, you know, in the laptop era, you could make some shit happen with some friends, and you can create your own opportunity. Whereas, yeah, as an actor, you're literally waiting for the phone call. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't just girl talk your career as an actor. That's well put. Thank you for the era appropriate analogy. You got it, brother. You got it. There's literally like a 10-year period when I legitimately don't remember drinking water. Like I don't know if I had a water between 2006. From 2006 to 2011, I did not consume water. I definitely didn't pay for it. Jason, this is your OG right here. He didn't drink water for 12 years, dude. Where have you been? By the end of 2012, I was like pickled. I was like preserved by alcohol. I think I could have been like in the bodies exhibit. So you were in the Noma. Fermentation closet, but it was just Sparks and not elderflower vinegar? Exactly. The free alcohol in that era was disturbingly bad to a point where I don't...

I had money. I could have just bought other stuff. No, I was begging to pay for drinks by the time I was 27. I could just buy a vodka soda. I don't need this orange Fanta with cocaine in it. I can buy something else. I'm not Jimmy Buffett. I'll pay the tab. You have to also think about New York, 2004, 2005, 2006. That is the open bar Svedka. promo with red bull event i mean there was literally myopenbar.com do you remember this yeah yeah oh yes it was literally this is this seems so fucked up now but it was a resource that people could use to find out when and where open bars were happening don't call them people plan out a night you could daisy chain them that's literally how i got into this whole world and career how i started promoting and djing and all that stuff was was by was open bars was me looking it up and being like, oh, Cinespace has an open bar on Thursdays from 9 to 10. I'm just going to go there and get drunk for free, and then I'll go to the thing that I want to do. That was the move. The thing about you guys was that you had the movie song, so it put shit into a different stratosphere. You know what I mean? cartel did a bad tv show that they got killed for made a lot of money but got killed for it you guys had like a proper soundtrack song and it was like you know it was like a real it was pretty fucking real no we it's it's true we got to start at the ending in a weird way it was like that was actually my first time in la we stayed at the beverly laurel motor hotel which is right next to swingers i know you know this very well chris yes very well very well and we went and watched snakes on a plane at the chinese theater And, you know, I'm still getting like my $300 sort of check from from being a temp. And it was like, yeah, it was an accelerated track, let's say. And it was looking back really heady. No, no. No, I mean, absolutely. But I mean, that's the only word to describe it for sure. I remember watching the video for that song on on MTV and being like.

What in the flying fuck is going on in music and film? There's a movie called Snakes on a Plane, and it has Samuel Jackson, and there's snakes, and that's it. And this is the song, and it has Travi McCoy. emo rapping on an airplane and i'm like what is this is like this is the song for the horror movie about snakes i forgot about that that kept the working title yeah it's it's crazy that's a big zeitgeist spike you know that was like a crazy and this is in the hip-hop era too when you would stack features like titles were like titles didn't fit you know on the uh billboard charts i mean it was just like yeah that was the feature core period of pop music. Did you say that you were a Manny? I was a Manny, yeah. I was a Manny for an excellent little kid named Luca, who I'm still in contact with. I built office furniture for Sylvan Learning Centers. I worked on The Bachelor. Sorry, The Bachelorette. The first season of The Bachelorette, I was a PA. Talk about heady fucking times. I mean, that. I don't want to ask you how many contestants you had sex with on the air, but we can get into that later. Well, it's The Bachelorette, so they're all male, so we might have to get into that a lot later. But, yeah, I was, I was, you know, there's something romantic. As we talk about it now, it feels kind of romantic, but it fucking sucked. It sucked, you know, just so broke. Working, I just don't think people do that anymore, really? No. No, no, no, they don't. I have younger brothers and I just don't think the jobs are there like that anymore. I don't think they're, you know what I learned from talking to my younger brothers? There's no such thing as like a summer job anymore. That's someone's career now, you know? And it's pretty crazy. I remember you used to just be able to be way, well, being freelance was different back then. It was a little more run and gun. You know, they have rights now. But back then, yeah, I mean, it was just like, I remember people being like, what do you do?

which is a very New York answer, I would say, what do you got? You know, like I'm not precious. That's good. So they say, what do you do? And then you say, what do you got? And then I assume you just start unzipping your trousers at that point. Yeah. And the line forms to the left. Exactly. Yeah. I mean. Those offers were on the table in the Mishapes years, for sure. Oh, yeah. It's pay-for-play out there, baby. The free Svetka runs out at 10 p.m. And then you've got promoters asking to do a bump off your boot. That's the reality of it. Well, that promoter asking to do a bump off the boot would be me, and that leads me to my question where if you and Chris have crossed paths, back in the day have you and i ever crossed paths back in the day and i didn't know it not back back in the day but like i definitely knew all the the the where our cinematic universes uh intercept yeah tj is because cobra had a song on the radio at the cusp of the edm movement okay so that was the most sort of um I guess, you know, fruitful period, was going to play a show and then going to DJ at that city's sort of whatever big open format spot. And so... I knew all the open format guys. You weren't like a full-blown open format guy, though, were you? Not full-blown, but I would definitely do it every now and again, but it was not my strong suit. Got it. Yeah, so I think maybe we may have intermingled. There may have been fluid exchange during those years. So you were DJing after parties for the show, and it would turn into an LMFAO-style turnt. turnt situation with with tank tops and stuff like that totally gabe would bring serato and do his like bar mitzvah set and it killed it just fucking killed every time i mean literally i i could recite that you know the track list and then people ripping their hair out in excitement oh 100 100 and then i was sort of moved by the french uh uh sort of era of djing so i had ableton and a controller and then yeah we would turn up

A lot of 12s remixes. Bloghouse shit, I guess now they call it. I'm not super happy with the return, to be honest. I think it's too ugly of a time to revisit. I think it'll come and go quickly. I just don't like it. But it's cyclical. I thought it'd already be over, guys. It's already been months at this point. I guess people are going to put out new music, and that's when the problems start. We don't need a new Uffy album. We just don't. Shout out to Tori Moi, produced the new Effie album. Check that out on Spotify. Yeah, go stream it by all means, but I don't know if the world needs it. You know what I'm saying? I just don't know if the world needs it. For someone like me, who's capital F40, it feels nice when I see it come across the feed. Same with new Yeah, Yeah, Yeahs. There is the indie sleaze sort of resurgence. Well, that song is good. It's great. That song is good. That song is really good. some little you know there are some treasures to be had by those people getting back into the studio you're still and you're still making music but you're more of a composer for film and television now yeah real la shit yeah i'm on some real la shit i did i did a hot little pivot i still make records but i'm i'm no longer doing like the monday to friday meeting a new artist every day and asking them kind of like what's going on in their life and signal boosting their like deranged uh ideas of like sexuality and relationships now it's like wow speak on it brother that's a good way to describe co-writes yeah oh yeah i mean the co-write game is crazy the co-writes story has still yet to be really told you know there's not really been a show or a movie yet so so the co-write situation is where a label or an a and r just a friend is like hey i think you wouldn't blah blah blah would get along let's cook up let's build i'm gonna come through here are some demos the label likes totally no pressure just feel it out if anything you know inspiration hits and then exactly and then it almost entirely every single time It's just a dud, I'm assuming. Even I've done this before, and I'm not even good at making music. It's always fucked up. You're just hoping to get a chorus written so you can put in the sweet green order and then just make a quick, dirty bounce that you send to them. You let it sort of just effervesce into nothing. The funny thing is, I get just as many cuts when I don't do that, which is why the...

session game is kind of a bad commercial for me it just it's not the people who thrive are the writers that can do two a days so just living off demo fees this is a psychotic echelon just a psychotic echelon of person that can come in and write a song in the morning write another song at night and then yeah obviously the averages are are much higher and then but once you start hitting then people hear your submissions differently. That's kind of how the system works. So if you're somebody that has a big cut, it's very soothing to the A&Rs and the publishers and the powers that be. They've seen you land the 900 before, so RyRy can do it again. We call that the Antonoff effect. Oh, 100%. Yeah, you get into a pocket, and it's beautiful to see. I've known people that have, honestly, some of the... most successful people i i know have are these songwriters that have just like caught on to a crazy wave and it's pretty it's pretty crazy but then even they let up on the gas and they just start working a little less it's the poor 22 year old from akron ohio uh that sounds a little bit like charlie pooth and then it's just like oh man just getting put through the fucking grind Oh, gosh. No, I mean, it really is like, yeah, I can imagine. I mean, I think the – I'm always interested because I don't think people fully understand this. And even I, who am relatively experienced, don't fully understand it. Let's say you get – let's say you co-write a song. It does fairly well. You know what I mean? It's on the album, blah, blah, blah. How long is it taking to get paid? Oh, minimum nine months. And you don't know anything until you have to sign off on it, making the album, basically, right? 100%. And sometimes that paperwork happens after it's already out into the world. I like that style. The music industry has no HR department. It's completely fucking, it's the bergine. It's fucking mayhem. There's no real accountability for checks and balances, and you just get used to it.

But yeah, it's like explaining to my mom that I don't get paid when someone comes in and I write a song with them. When you hear yourself talk about it out loud with the same person, it's fucking psychotic. But as a producer, you get front end, right? As a producer, you're actually getting paid, work for hire, whatever. And that's better. It's just better. We're not talking about producers, though. We're talking about artists. It's true. We work on artist time. We don't do assets and deliverables, man. Correct. I don't create assets. I create art. I actually, I saw, I worked with an artist that sent me a deck. That one, and that was a first. No, dude. Like a really epic, thoughtful, seven page, seven slide PDF. To just sort of immerse me, to let me soak into their message, their world, and what they were hoping to convey. Oh, my God. And this is for making audio-based music, and here's this PDF deck of mood board images and things that inspire me. Vibes. Just vibes. It's literally just vibes. Did it work? Hell no. Okay. Hell no. Part of me is like... that's definitely some 22 year old who thinks he's like a fucking light bulb went off and he thinks he's a genius yep but doesn't doesn't realize that sending a deck is like the last thing anybody wants no his roommate like is like whatever work working in commercials and he just like saw that one night and he was like yo this is a vibe i'm gonna do this you know yeah that's and there is a fake it till you make it element for sure like you're like i'm i'm sure someone other than me saw that and was like yo this this crew is is playing for keeps. Let's fucking go. I don't even know what that is. There's always someone stupid who will fall for something. That's the beauty of this world. That's the beauty of this world. Ryland, you were mentioning a moment ago a Charlie Puth sound-alike coming in from Ohio, getting put through the grinder. Let's say I am that 22-year-old artiste with the voice of honey. What should I do to avoid being put through the grinder?

How can I protect my little ass? Okay, pod talk, like the real answer, and I only give it to people that I think can take it. It's just like get into other stuff too. And that's not – I don't want to be some jaded old salt dog, right? Salt dog sounds pretty good. I just know that from my career and a lot of my friends, they've had a couple different – areas to output creative ideas and it just it just it helps all of them and i think if you come in with the attitude you've been told you're a star from maybe a smaller community and you come here and and your pitch is that you sound like another big thing like charlie pooth that by the way also like isn't totally popping by the way i love pooth is showing a hole on tiktok bro he's got a chill okay i might need to redown i didn't know that is that true chris bro pooth is absolutely lost lost it yeah he's like thirst trapping on tiktok 24 hours a day like that's what he does for a living now almost it's like a whole it's like a whole thing it's like a pretty widely documented on social media. And I don't, but I think it is a symptom of not having a big one in a while. You know what I mean? A hundred percent. You know, somebody tells you you're the next John Mayer and then it don't really pan out. It's a little, you know, you're figuring it out still, I think. Yeah, because nobody wants to tell you that there's only room for one John Mayer. And that's the problem. Like if you're trying to chase, if you're trying to jump into the... Those big bespoke Jordans, you're going to get burned. What do you think about – Yeah, his feet are bigger than you think they're going to be. That's crazy. He's just bigger than you think he's going to be. So we talked about the Shawn Mendes tour cancellation. Give me the elevator pitch on why it got canceled. I don't know about this. Mental health, of course. He's just too – he thought he was ready, and he's not ready. He did a few shows. I'm hearing rumors, of course, of low ticket sales. But, you know, I don't want to put that on him. No, that's what it is. That's what it is. Low ticket alert. Low ticket alert. Because that dude is so talented, so hot, can sing so well. The songs are there. Everything's set up. They're just like in this weird post-COVID sort of.

scramble i i don't think it's back to normal yet and i'm sure he's just gonna do it q1 2023 i like when you say q1 i like when you talk to me like that yeah it's it's really interesting to see the parallels because like the way covet has affected it Me looking at it from the food restaurant world where there was sort of no rhyme or reason which restaurants made it and which ones didn't. You're like, oh, you just happen to have a parking lot where you can put tables, so now you guys are making a million dollars a year, and this Michelin restaurant doesn't have a parking lot, so they closed and lost $5 million, whatever. And same with bands. Some bands are just selling every single show out, and some are ten times as big and just aren't. And there's kind of no real... I mean, I want to know what the rhyme or reason is. I don't know how to get there. I don't know how to get there either because... Or I have to use AI technology to find it. Oh, God. I know that your studio is in Burbank. Yeah. Jason's a big Burbank sympathizer. Oh, yeah. We got to talk about Chili. So, first of all, that commissary there plays great music. I don't know if you've noticed that. Oh, 100%. That's my boy Ian who runs the machine there. He's the Spotify jockey. He's an artist himself, actually, who sort of transitioned from, I guess, kind of like alternative music to now. He's been influenced a little by the MGK revolution. And so now they've been exploring more colors of pop punk and sort of, but also just sort of traditional indie rock. I've heard some. I can see that. I think I know who you're talking about based on his look. Yeah. and i think beautiful yeah yeah he's very he's like a little too good looking to serve me a latte yeah um but that's la in general 100 100 unfortunately i think i know which guy you're talking about now it's fortunate white guy buzzed head uh yeah i think he has a buzz that now i think he dyes it blonde he's just the sweetest dude he might have a few little stick and poke tattoos oh yeah 100 of course and when you walk in he might say what's up brother dude i'm it's uncanny i'm there right now

Tell him Jason from Glendale Says High, okay? Oatmeal Cortado, please, brother. Good to see you. He probably has a real hot Armenian chick. He's single at the moment. How long gone exclusive? Armenian ladies, I know you're listening. Head out to commissary. Get that cold brew from the hottie behind the bar. That cold brew is fucked, man. It's motor oil. It's so meth-y. You talking about the premium cold brew or the regular? Yeah. The premium, come on. Okay, guys, let's all talk about how premium cold brew is absolutely a scam. Jason, do you believe it? Of course I do. I mean, some beans cost more than others, you know? There's premium and lower grade everything. I think it's the same beans. I think they just put a dollar on it and scam people who want to spend more money. All right, is Yankee Candle and Byredo the same candle, but just one of them says premium costs more? It's two different smells, so it's a little different. brew are you saying that you can taste the difference coffee doesn't have smell can you taste the difference the same smell but louder yeah i can definitely taste the difference between good and bad coffee but once you once you're splitting hairs between good and great of course but i can tell the difference absolutely but do you think it's it's more of a process issue or do you think it's actually different beans oh no it's different beans it's different beans it's just like oh these beans cost more because you know xyz reasons you know shipping or handling or it's more rare sure sure country i thought they just let it soak longer that's exactly what i thought that's exactly what i thought i was like this is just a 24 hour versus 12 hour yeah they got all the caffeine out of the poor little bean that's what i that's what that's what but jason jason was telling me earlier that you're a chili guy you know here's the thing about chili jays chili johns Yeah, sorry. I was speaking in a Burbank colloquial tongue. Always one step ahead. We were so excited when we moved out here because I share the studio with some of my best friends and collaborators.

there's nothing out it's honestly parts of if you stumble down the wrong strip of burbank you're in afghanistan you're in a u.s military controlled area of afghanistan and there's not shit out here and when i first came here i didn't like that i was like i really would just like a place to be able to get a sandwich and a coffee chili john's is really the only thing here but what i found out quickly is it's not food It is a food stuff, if you will. It's not a meal. That's right. You can't go there and eat it also, also. There used to be a fucking punisher working behind the counter there who said and did crazy fucked up shit. There was some terrible atrocity in the news about like a shooting. And he was like. I'll tell you what I would have done. I mean, it's pretty simple. Just take gasoline and pour it around all the exits and light it on fire, and then nobody would have been able to get out or something. We're like, dude, dude, dude. Nobody wants to hear how to do that job better. Can I have my turkey chili? And so it just kind of – oh, also, I don't know if you noticed, it's been marked up by the great one. Guy Fieri did an episode of Diners Drive-Ins and Dives there, and so his tag is up in the corner. That dusty old stencil. Yeah. It's a once-a-year thing for me now, in short. But I like looking out there. You see it's very Americana. There's also a really cool Japanese-German import mechanic. There's a little bit of a nice romantic moment there. And then there's crematoriums and bail bonds and liquor stores and weird churches that operate at bizarre hours. It's a good place to come and do work. It's like the Jurassic Park preserved in amber kind of thing. Certain things are just like this is untouched for 100 years. And those are so rare to see nowadays. It's very much like when I drive through Burbank now, because it's so preserved, as far as just textiles, typefaces, and just color choices, the cacophony of beige and grayge and those sort of desert stormy tones.

It reminds me of B-roll from film and TV from when we were like kids. Because that was where, I mean, they were shooting everything out there. And so there is, it grew on me. I was resistant when I was a little hot-headed 32-year-old hot out of Greenpoint. But now I've come to really understand her. her deeper qualities and i'm really really grateful to be uh in this zip code that's that's very sweet i think maybe there's a future in local office for you i think there could be the way you speak so fondly of her yeah have you thought about running for school board over there that's the weird thing it's so noticeably redder here than where i live it's like it's crazy how instantly You don't have to go far out of central L.A. to hear, like, southern accents. It's pretty fucking crazy. Tell me, yeah, could you text me where those places are so I can go hang out with my people? Because I'm kind of sick of these fruits over here. You know what I'm saying? Well, you can hang out with them, Chris, but they've only got a few years because they're all going to die soon. So this is sort of the last red wave, I guess. in in la here's why it's all it's a lot of stage hands grips i've met many grips i've met many people that have introduced themselves as grips out here yeah burbank is where everyone who works in the entertainment industry but like behind the scenes kind of guys who have like correct iron cross you know like shin tattoos and their name's red and they yep I do lighting really well. Back then, you could afford to buy a house with a pool by just being a regular grip or best boy or whatever. Those days are gone now. You have to have dual income. The husband and wife both have to edit magazines in order to buy a 1,000-square-foot home in LA. You just laid it all out. Why do grips love being grips so much? I don't get it. Like, I mean, I like my job, too, but I don't lead with that necessarily. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't put a sticker on my car that say, like, grips do it better. I think it's union energy. I think there's a pride in the union sort of camaraderie. And, again, it's another one of these little chestnuts that I've grown to just love about the Valley and about Burbank in particular. Yeah, even though the grip people do lead with I'm a grip and I have strong guerrilla grip energy.

But usually they're all good people. You know what I mean? They have the decorum of being on set. They're trusted around celebrities. And they make an honest living. And all they want to do when we say, that's a wrap on talent. Go home, get a 12-pack. They want to have a beer and recount the time that Wayne Brady was just the most stand-up guy ever to them. Yeah, come over to the house. I got a projector in the backyard. We're going to watch SportsCenter and talk about that one time that Wayne Brady was – honestly, he's the nicest guy I've ever met. Maybe the nicest guy I've ever met. Gave me his email. Oh, fuck Wayne Brady. Yeah, I mean I need to – I do – I've learned to love Burbank. I haven't spent as much time as you guys, but I – But I was told, our mutual friend told me, I didn't know this, that your chick is a lymphatic masseuse? A lymphatic massage technician, yeah. She's in the... She's drain gang? She's in the drain gang, 100%. I've obviously had the procedure done. It's pretty crazy. Because I wanted to talk about this because I see a lot of hot chicks I know posting themselves getting this lymphatic massage. They kind of cover their titties with one arm and like pose in the mirror after the massage because they're feeling so thin and beautiful. Sounds like a subgenre on Chris's Pornhub, but go ahead. I also want to feel thin and beautiful, but I wanted to ask a man. Because I don't think a lot of men have had this procedure. You're telling me that obviously yours was done with love and respect and maybe a different level. That's a long way of saying. fellas is it gay to get lymphatic drainage massage is that kind of what i was getting from you chris yeah maybe a little bit but i also just want to walk i want a fella yeah a fella a fellow fella to walk me through the process and also rylan chris has seen your body has seen you working out sure and he wants to know how you know there's nature and nurture he wants to know how much is that yeah getting a pump and how much of that is draining there's no shame in wanting the coupon code here by the way um

Yeah, enter Ryland 20 at checkout. Exactly. People go in there. So there is a dual sort of function to it. Yes, there is a cosmetic side to it that it does sort of what it does is there's, you know, you have your lymphatic interstitial fluids in between two layers of skin. And, you know, when they pull from one another, that's how. cellulite appears and so oh we don't want that sweetie we do not want i don't know what you're talking about rylan we don't want that never heard of her the front-facing pitch is that you know that i guess that's sort of what makes it popular and why a lot of people go to do it before a shoot or whatever or a tv appearance it's getting tightened up a little bit a lot of these incredible like alpha type people go in okay now now we're talking to me go now we're getting into your world i think so you have a lot of athletes that go there you have a lot of Just industry bigwigs, you have a lot of biohackers. People like Jason. Jason considers himself a biohacker for sure. Guys like me who do cold plunges and stuff like that. Yeah, 100%. You would love it. They put those pants on you that they're pressurized. Do you know what I'm talking about? Long-distance runners use them. Oh, I have a pair. I use them. almost daily to recover exactly you're talking about like norma tech boots yeah norma tech boots exactly and and honestly that's the big that's the big word chris it's recovery it really is though like for people that are going hard like you at easton at 6 30 in the morning that's right just locked in the hex bar um this this would be a way to speed up recovery and i really really recommend it and i recommend you uh Actually, no, don't book with my girl. Rylan, can my life partner, can my girlfriend or Chris's girlfriend book with her then, perhaps? 100,000%, yes. We don't want to get her hands on our grubby bodies, though. I understand. Also, you have to wear this garment that's like a Freddie Mercury cat suit made out of cheesecloth. This is what I'm talking about with the selfies. That's how chicks signal that they're getting their lymphatic.

And so there's like this pose they do, you know what I mean? Could you describe that pose in words, Chris? I don't know what you're talking about. I described it earlier. It's like the arm is covering the breasts because those are exposed because of the see-throughness of the cheesecloth. Okay, yeah. But there's like a little bit of a, even though it's a medical procedure, there's still a little bit of sexiness to the look. Because you're wearing a skin-tight mummy. Sexy, like a Skims X the mummy. You're wearing a see-through bodysuit, basically. Chris, I had a follow-up question. Let's say I'm getting the lymphatic drainage massage. I'm laying on the table. I have my skin-tight cheesecloth on. Instead of covering my titties with my hands, can I later on add an emoji in post? To cover the nipple? That's right. You could absolutely cover your nipples with emojis. That's also popular. I don't see a lot of that, but I think there's room for you to kind of lead that charge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fairness, there's something more coquettish about using the arm. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you 100%. I'll say this too for you, TJ. We're long boys. And so the big takeaway for me, and we can talk about this offline too, but the big takeaway. Wait, how tall are you again, Ryland, for our listeners? I'm 6'5". Okay. So I'm your junior. Oh, wow. Okay. I'm your junior still. Well, I'm the shortest guy on the podcast today. Fuck both of you. But I don't have great circulation in my hands or my feet. And I remember the first time I had the procedure done, it sent circulation through my body. I felt electrified by my own blood. i could like shoot thing it felt like i could shoot energy from my hands and feet and i'm not that's that's 100 that's cool because i never feel that i you know right now if i push on my hands it's like purple and then it's like white for a second like it's all bad my my weak weak heart and my long long limbs But this was the best part of it for me. Also, you sleep like an absolute baby after you do it. People actually use it for jet lag because it resets the circadian rhythm. You know, honestly, this is the best possible sell I've ever heard on this because I thought it was literally like a thing hot chicks do to look skinny before vacation, which it is.

But all these other benefits is like – 100%. It's unbelievable. There are a lot of men that do it, and a lot of them tend to just be in high stress, like you, Chris, just high stress, constantly building. And they need decompression that isn't down at the bar or in a pint of Ben & Jerry's, and they need to just sort of be soothed. Of course I'm biased, but my partner is the Michael Jordan of the lymphatic game. No one drains him like her. Okay, man. I'm fucking sold. This was something I really wanted to talk to you about because, like I said, I've never talked to another man who's had this experience. What's the average lymphatic sesh go for, and then what does a session with Michael Jordan go for? I don't think there's a different, you know, there's no difference in rate. And I don't have the materials in front of me right now to answer that. But I will say this. Do you have a Yelp or something I can check out? We'll talk offline. Okay, great. Some of the technicians have different, she has different modalities. So she also does, she's also an esthetician and she does facial massage. And that is the next level. That's the dollop of cream on top. This is a one-stop shop. I mean, I hope she has a partner who's allowed to put her hands on me that has the same level of skill, because you've sold it in so well, and now I can't even go. But a facial massage, I've had one before, truly unbelievable. Oh, yeah, it's crazy. At any given moment, we're holding really weird tension in our faces, and getting that done feels like, oh, Novocaine for the soul. We're both singers, you know what I mean? So it's kind of like... I experienced that just from all the singing, kind of the way I move my jaw. A lot of mandibular tension. I'm seeing it now. I don't know if that's the definition from the C4 pre-workout hitting. It's a classic column A, column B situation. But yeah, I think the way that I kind of push from my diaphragm.

It gives me the power I need, but it also causes a lot of stress in the jaw area. 100%. Right there with you, brother. Jason's more of a talker. He can't really hit the notes. No, and he kind of comes from this. He comes from the kind of Kermit register. It's a lot easier. It costs a little less on the front part of the mic. It costs a little less. Yeah. I mean, I think that it's smart. Well, I've been working with my trainer to access the diaphragm. And once I finally connect my rib cage and my hips in unison, it will be over for you. Oh, it's Barry White for sure. I'm ready for what if what if what if Jason's new trainer? changes his voice to the point where it's it's unrecognizable to the listeners that would be really that would be really something that would kind of be bad i think for business but i'm it would be bad i'm interested to see if if real changes can yeah whenever i get sick my voice gets hotter on the pod i've been told but there's a chance i can go in the wrong direction and i'll just sound like tarantino or something like that like we went too far oh god your voice sounds good when you're hung over too sometimes yeah i just need to be kind of pinned down and grizzly you know rub a little dirt in there that's really yeah that's really what it's like from behind or something rylan great potting with you thank you for potting with us oh absolutely you're a good podcaster i gotta say i'm a good podsman thank you so much i i i only recently uh became a fan through hunter and i've been listening for the last oh, I don't know, maybe three or four months, and the rapport is lovely, and it's an absolute joy. My man, my man. I'm glad we were able to reconnect, and I'll see you. You go to the gym at artist time, so I don't catch you there that often. I'm gone before Deadbeat Actor o'clock, which is 10, and they stay for three hours, so you can't come back in until after two or three. I'm in there just after the sort of... Geriatric mass exodus. And I'm in there just with creatives. What do you do? Oh, you're a creative? That's awesome. Yeah. You mentioned going to the gym at 11 a.m. as a disparaging insult. And I just wanted to say, any time you go to the gym is the right time, listener. No, you're right. You're right. I'm sorry. We're talking specifically about Easton, but I hear you 100%. Go to the Crunch on Sunset at 7 p.m. on a Friday. You'll have a good time.

Yeah, exactly. No, 100%. All right. Thank you, Ryland, for joining us, and we'll see you soon, Chief. Pleasure. Thanks, boys.