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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. Chris Black, how in the living hell are you, bro? Oh, Jason, I'm great. I'm excited to podcast today. My little brain is racing with commentary and important words to say about a myriad of issues. Yeah, it does sound little. It's hard getting those words out. And then you did the cursed saying of after the word myriad. Damn, bro. Strike one and two. Should we start over or do you want to just keep going? Unfortunately, Jason, we all can't be as smart as you educated at Huntington Beach High School for a couple years and then destroying your brain with EDM for the last 15. I don't even know how you're able to string a sentence together. Yet my supreme level of alliteration continues to dominate you. Who knows? Well, let's keep this train moving, buddy. What's up, buddy? Let's pod. Well, first and foremost, we need to talk about this potato head controversy. uh before we before we go any further uh so you i saw this in the group chat you said that mr potato head is no longer going to be called mr potato head because it's going to be a they or a miss or is it just going to be no no title whatsoever i i believe it's no title whatsoever but just to be clear on the mr potato head not that not that i've used one in a while um i know that's kind of a

You know, surprise to many. It's been a hot minute since I have fucked with a potato head. It's been a hot minute since I've played with a potato head. But in my memory, wasn't the idea that you could make the potato head anything you wanted? Like you could put lips and a mustache. So this seems like an afterthought, a little bit of a virtue signal. It seems like a step in the wrong direction because potato... And there is an X in there somewhere. I don't know where to put it yet. But Potato Head led the path for inclusion and, you know, being able to be whoever you want to be in this crazy world. And it's a damn shame that that was taken away. It's honestly, it seems reductive and unnecessary. I will be starting a petition with the Hasbro Corporation to reverse this unjust act. And if you were thinking about buying a potato head for a loved one as a gift or maybe for yourself or personal use, I would say let's boycott for now. I'm calling for a light boycott for now until we get this cleared up. I'll let the listeners know on this podcast when it's safe again to purchase Potato Head products. How long, goners? Vote with your wallet and speak. That being said, if you do absolutely have to buy a Mr. Potato Head, consider getting an original off of my eBay page. Serious inquiries only, though. I don't want anybody lowballing. I hate when they lowball me. It's not an or best offer situation, just to be clear. But also, Jason, I think that also brings us to an important point of upcycling. That's hot right now. It's very hot right now. It's a word that a lot of companies are using, and I wouldn't want how long gone to be left out of that important discourse either. So, yes, like I said, let's line our wallets in a sustainable and important way by purchasing potato products only from Jason's Etsy store. I'm a licensed retailer unofficially. Etsy.com slash Big Bird is the handle. It was a tough one to get. We also had to fight for that, but we were able to do it. Thanks, Spotify. And also, you know.

Speaking of upcycling and my Etsy page, we will be releasing a line of art that I've been making out of the empty cans of mud. Yes, yes. I have taken a page out of Buck Meek's father's glass artistry, and I have become an aluminum artist. And I'm making some sick-ass dream catchers, bird feeders, all kinds of stuff. So just watch that space. Yeah, I can't wait to decorate my L.A. pad with Big Bird original artwork purchased from Etsy. Support small businesses, you know what I mean? The artwork is very sharp and dangerous, so please watch out. Much like our cunning commentary on this podcast, the art mimics that, which is great to see. We're Glendale's most dangerous podcast. I'm sure. I'll say it. I'll say it. I'm sure that is true. We had a great day yesterday. We were able to finally put our goofy asses down on the beautiful Influencer Tennis Court in Silver Lake where you've probably seen all your favorite hot chicks on Instagram. But you know who else gets to play there, Jason? Just two regular fellas who love the game. And thank you, Spotify, for that, for giving us a platform. Shout out to these two. So Jason and I show up. We're ready to play. We're ogling at this beautiful Lautner House Court in Silver Lake. If you want to check it out, hit pause and then just Google Lautner Silver Top House in Los Angeles, and you can take a virtual tour, I'm sure. You can take a virtual tour. So Jason and I show up, and we're confronted. by two hot Dutch brothers that clearly know how to play tennis. And that's why they're the coaches and we're the students. And they gave themselves a 5.5 rating on the tennis score? Yeah, they weren't getting greedy. They weren't getting crazy. But Mads and Simon really put us through that. I had a great time. Well, it is out of five total, so it is a little greedy. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. But overall, I feel like we had a really good time. I haven't played tennis against someone since I've been on holiday.

So my tennis has been limited to just a by-myself meeting, so it was nice to not only hit with anyone but, in fact, two people who are hitting on a damn professional level as well as Chris Black. Yeah, thank you for making sure I wasn't roped into that description. I would hate for people to get the wrong idea that I'm actually good at anything that I do because that is not the case. But you did a pretty good job. Don't beat yourself up. No, I had fun yesterday. It was fun to run some drills and we learned some new games. I think it's something we're going to have to make. I'm going to try to get us on the schedule bi-weekly. You know what I mean? Is what I'm looking for. In order to play there, will we have to invest in Yola Mezcal? Because I've got a lot of money tied up in Ghia right now and I can't really be going back and forth. I'm willing to put a little scratch down on the Yola Mezcal books. So that's how much you love the game. game that's how i mean look i'm committed to this ain't a fucking game i mean it is a game but it's not a game you know what i mean but it was it was a good day for for tennis it was a good day for influencers um and and always always a good day for spotify yes and also shout out to um previous how long gone guests scott sternberg who responded to my dm saying yo that's my neighborhood and my homie's house and i'm like okay bro scott had to flex and also thanks thanks to Thanks to the entire world for sending me a new T-shirt as well. Shout-outs to you, Scott. Oh, dude. So my friend Garrett is involved in this big Ed Ruscha. It's an artist collab. Yeah, the Ruscha collab. The Ed Ruscha show at the OKC Contemporary in Oklahoma City where Ed's from. And they collaborated with Scott and the entire world on a T-shirt. And I'm a big Ed Ruscha head. I'm thinking about flying to Oklahoma City to check the show out, honestly. So he's an artist? Yeah, he's an artist. He makes stuff. Is he a world builder? He's world building. How many followers does he have? Oh, good question, actually. I'm actually, unfortunately, probably on the low end.

which legitimizes him to some and unfortunately puts him in a bad place for others like you. The artist's curse. I think the show is open now or open soon. I'm thinking about going to Oklahoma City, honestly, because I've been there before and had a good time. I feel like when the weather warms up, it would be a great thing to see. I've been there once as well when I was driving through the south, and I saw the OKC basketball stadium where it goes down, and I was like, oh, this is the only thing to do in Oklahoma. I've heard now it's getting cooler. It's cool. Trevor was talking about how Tulsa is blowing up. Yeah. Are you going to gas up the PJ? Am I allowed to come along if you will? No, I think that's what I was going to say, Jason, is maybe after we hit Indiana for our Tinker Coffee roasting tour, since our canned coffee business is absolutely exploding. You will see us on Shark Tank in about two months, I think. We will have to tour the facilities. We're going to need to tour the facilities. A politician will. We've got to go kick the tires. I don't know if you've watched the show Shark Tank, but they do a lot of BTS footage. You know what I mean? Kind of some B-roll. So they're going to need B-roll of us. So maybe we hit Indiana. We politic with Steve and our Tinker family. Get the beans right. And then we hit OKC for some culture. And then we had... Then we head back to L.A. to roast in the sun and continue to improve our tennis game and podcasting. It sounds like a great week. The first time anyone's ever said, then we'll hit Oklahoma City for some culture. That's what I'm saying, Jason. The landscape of America is changing. Let me be your guide, King. Well, I'm Team Indiana. I'm loyal to whoever lines my pockets with some Colombian and some Ethiopian bucks. Damn. I'm not talking about Starbucks. We're trying to take down big business. Just left Columbia, scooter voice. But, you know, my day continued. Just another quick update before we get to our guests. I could do this all day. I hit the local watering hole, Sunset Tower, last night for a dinner with...

Former How Long Gone guest, actress, model, writer, Hari Neff. And let me tell you something, Jason. The room was electric last night. It wasn't just me and Hari, but I don't know if you know a little show called Catfish. Do you remember that show, Jason? Starring Max and Neve. Your boy Max wasn't in the house, but your boy Neve was in the house. Shout out to one of my hairy kings, Neve. Shout out to Neve. One of the hairiest influencer dads I've ever met. Shout out to Nev. We did make a little small talk. I was unable to secure him for the show. I think he's kind of laying low right now. Let me know if you want to get him. I'll just send him a text. Yeah, you should send him a text. I think it'd be good to have him. I mean, I'm honestly, all joking aside, I'm a big Catfish fan. It's a great program. What they do is amazing. But while Hari and I were in the lobby catching up, waiting for our table to be ready, young influencer Jaden Smith scrolls through the lobby. Young influencer. With his entourage. And I've got to say something about Jaden Smith, and I didn't know that. I don't know if you're familiar, Jason, but he did a shoe with New Balance. And it looked really ugly on Hypebeast, but in person. It is diabolically bad. It was worse. It's one of the worst shoes I've ever seen in my actual life. And I don't think he was wearing them. I think his, like, handler was wearing them, you know, so it made it even worse. James was like, no, I don't wear that shit, bro. No, bro, we sell that to the kids. But, yeah, so anyway, it was a – It was a great day. It was a great night. You know, lots of socializing. I think as a society, Jason, we're turning the corner. Positivity is flowing through the air, and I hope you can feel it. Even on this podcast alone, I can feel it. But, yeah, I think that we're starting to get to a place where, like, socializing, going out. I'm seeing restaurants opening up, and, you know, we're figuring it out. And there's full dining rooms, even at shitty restaurants. You know, I'm sure. Esperanza is packed, unfortunately, but it still makes me happy as somebody who's a member of the food and beverage world. If LA burned down and that was the only restaurant left, I don't know if I would eat there. You're goddamn right. I'd rather take my business to...

7-11. Yeah, let me get two packs of Ho-Hos and three Red Bulls, please. But, yeah, the tides are turning. I mean, it's feeling good. And, you know, this is what we need. The Roaring Twenties are just around the corner. And how long gone is going to be the podcast of the Roaring Twenties? Mark my words, Jason. Yeah. I mean, I'm so excited for the Roaring Twenties to come sweep us up that I might even have to start. Picking up the CDJs again? Who knows? I mean, honestly, what I'm planning for our How Long Gone Live events, once we obviously... sign with William Morris Endeavor, book a world tour at small theaters, just small theaters in major markets. I think what we have to do is, I mean, every night we do our show, we take the motorcade back to the hotel, we shower, and then there's an after party every night where I'm hosting on the mic and you're DJing. I mean, I think that's the best way to monetize. I mean, would you disagree? I would not. We're making money two ways. And, you know, I predict that, you know, if you thought that before there were too many DJs and everyone was a DJ, I think now there's going to be a shortage of DJs. You know what I mean? There's going to be too many parties and not enough DJs. So that's so. OK, good point. Yeah. Then I think that means that it's. But I think that's a great way to maximize and we can do the meet and greets and stuff like that. Yeah. Don't touch. Don't. Just to be clear, at Towel Beach, when we're taking the photos and you've paid $500 for the meet and greet, you're not allowed to touch me. You can maybe put your arm around Jason or whatever, but don't even try that shit with me. You've got to do the hover hand around my waist. Whereas I am more of a man of the people, and I implore you and encourage you to come sit on Papa's lap if you need to get a pick. And that goes for Mr. Potato Heads, Mrs. Potato Heads, and everything in between, brother. Oh, okay. We do have a guest today. She has nothing to do with Potato Head. Luckily for us, Steph Yatka is an old friend of mine. She's the fashion news editor at Vogue, triple OG, Vogue chick. Very, very, very, very bright. Great takes on all things fashion. I hope that she has some opinions for us on the current season, all this Juergen Teller controversy. Maybe she can give Jason some tips on how to kind of diversify his big guy look.

Just because I think that as we edge toward the spotlight, I think we need more desire in your life, and she might have some recommendations for some up-and-coming talent that maybe does make things in your size readily available. I'm excited. Yeah, I think it's going to be cool. All right, let's give Steph a jingle in the Big Apple. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, so do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly, a website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could, you know, have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools so those future graduates can find me. And, you know, I'm able to accept, quote, unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. Show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early. And we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional as your competition, if not more. So head to squarespace.com slash howlong for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code howlong to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from the Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned.

They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone. It was brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs. handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive, and that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app. using promo code howlong. Taskers book up faster, especially for same-day tasks. So book Trusted Home Help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code howlong with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. I'm covered in fur.

From the Prada show invite? Oh, okay. Welcome to How Long Gone. Welcome to How Long Gone. We're back with our guest, Steph. She's just flexing on us from her Prada fur invite, unfortunately leaving its dirty trail all over her clothing. Yeah, some of you brokos have fur from your little animals, cats and dogs, nasty-ass shit. This is Prada 2021, bitch. Yeah, that's a different kind of fur. Is that like a lilac? This one I would say is periwinkle. Yeah, that's periwinkle. Deadass. And then there's like a lighter blue as well. Periwinkle and light blue. I've got a set. Where's the invite at? What do you mean an invite? covered you in fur. Can you explain that more? You know, some of our listeners, unfortunately, don't get invited to some of these glamorous fashion shows like you do. Maybe you could explain to them what this Prada invite actually consists of, because they might have seen pictures on the internet, but they might not really understand. Sure. I would also say that nowadays, fashion shows are not glamorous. It's just me sitting in this chair watching live streams for 8 to 12 hours a day. So it's not all it's cracked up to be. You know, there's sort of like a battle for who can send the most fun thing to journalists' homes. Yes. And so some people received like a lawn chair from Burberry for the menswear show. Prada has really leaned in. Funny you mentioned that, Steph, because Jason and I, actually two low-level podcasters, received that Burberry chair. Really? I didn't. I didn't. I took some pics of mine, and I could share them with you afterwards if you want to check it out. Thank you. Maybe I'll just Photoshop myself into the chair. I'll do it for you. You're saying that these houses, these fashion houses, instead of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on elaborate fashion shows, performances, and presentations, they're just packing some shit up in the mail and sending it to people. Yeah, but it's great. But they've always done that for fashion shows, but I think because of COVID and the actual fashion show doesn't exist physically anymore.

They have to up the ante. Yeah. And in many ways, it's actually great to be receiving them at home because what would happen before was we would leave New York and go to London Milan in Paris Fashion Week. And in each city, you would collect all of this ephemera that was sent to your hotel from brands that then at the end of each week, you had to make this real decision. Like, do I care about this scarf or this cushion or this record enough? to carry it with me for the next three weeks. And so by the time Paris was over, my suitcase was like 80% clothes and then 20% invites and fans and all sorts of things just sort of stuffed into every pocket of every bag. Do I need this Laura Piana beer cozy? Yes, I do. It's coming with me. Oh, my God. The Bruno Cuccinelli salad forks are not going to fit in my carry-on. I will say the one that caused me the most strife was at a Missoni show in September. I think it was outside. And it was at this beautiful pool. And each guest was seated on a custom Missoni cushion. And they let you take your cushion. And I was walking out alongside a colleague who we happened to have the same pattern. And he was like, well, you can just have mine. So then for the next. 14 days I was carrying around these two Missoni cushions that just did not fit in my suitcase. And it was like pretty embarrassing to get on the flight back from Paris and just be like holding two cushions. But now I'm glad that I have them. But at the time it was like, is this worth it? It was definitely worth it. Yeah, a Missoni cushion makes the backyard barbecue hit a little different. That's a different – Especially when it's not some shit that you can get at Target. Totally. I was using it on my fire escape to sit out there and do some reading in the springtime. Oh, I love that. You're painting a picture, and I like it. That's a chic New York afternoon. I tell you what.

Just devouring some hot new fiction on my Missoni cushion. I'm looking forward to using my new Burberry fishing chair. When I go down to the watering hole to catch my lunkers, I will definitely be using it. I haven't figured out how I'm going to use mine yet, but I'm going to do something with it for sure. It's too substantial. That's the other thing, Steph. This stuff is not cheap. It's pretty well-made stuff. Fluffy boxes, one for the menswear show that was in January and one for the womenswear show that was today. And they're filled with desserts and candies from Marchese, which is a candy company that Prada owns. One of my favorites. One of my favorites. Yes. I love an afternoon espresso with a little sweet treat before I'm off to my next show. Really? I feel like you don't eat sugar. Well, if I'm in Milan and it's Prada branded. I have to have a little chewy something, maybe a little sweet confection to keep my afternoon buzzing. Okay, okay. But now, once you eat all the candy, you just have these big fluffy boxes, and I'm not sure what to do with them. Some people have been saying just use them as home decor. I don't know. These are the problems that we deal with in the fashion industry. I know, I know. It's really hard. I think usually what happens in my house is my girlfriend, she works in fashion as well, and we always have all this shit. flopping around and she just reuses it as like christmas gift and birthday gift thingies like just have a drawer of all these bags and poofs and you know we have like burberry wrapping paper for the next 10 years just from all the dumb shit that we got and shout out to lueve for the for the invite t-shirt i'll be repurposing that on this website called grail.com I didn't know if you were going to use that to maybe polish the Tesla. I didn't know. So that's going to actually... Damn, that's some good content. I mean, how much money do you think I can get for that all-over-print Luev AT? None. None? Okay, got it. None. I think you should wear it. No. Have you worn it? Or you're just, like, storing it? Well, it just came yesterday, so I haven't had a... I was going to wear it on today's chat, but, you know, the camera was disabled to maintain our Wi-Fi integrity.

It's not a shirt that will enter my daily driver wardrobe. I think, yes, Steph, I'm sure you're familiar with Jason's stature, but when you put a shirt with little stuff all over it on a man of that size, it starts to look crazy. It starts to look like JoJo Siwa's Tesla, actually, is what it looks like. So we have to protect. I have to step in and make sure. I mean, Jason has great taste, but every once in a while, you just got to make sure this guy stays on the rails. You know, he can't. It could affect our brand overall if he's left to his own devices. Right. That's fair. It's nice that you guys are looking out for each other fashion wise. Girl, with my fat ass, I need all the help I can get. Yeah. I mean, I think that. We do help each other out. That was something I wanted to ask you about, though, because I think that as we move into this warmer weather season, Jason and I are both in L.A. It's a little hot. We're looking to expand our horizons, maybe support some young, cool designers that are maybe not on our radar. Who better to ask about who's making a great sheer top for me? More than you. I feel like we've exhausted our resources at Uniqlo. Yeah, are there any new designers who are making quilted garments or something like that that you can check out? I'm really into quilts. Oh, are there, Jason? Funny you ask. Some would say that there are too many designers making quilted garments right now. Not on my watch. Personally, I think you could get into crocheting over quilting. Yes, breathable. Filting became a big narrative in the past seven days, but months before that, everyone was really into crochet, and all the kids out there were crocheting their own J.W. Anderson sweaters on TikTok. Yes, yes. Harry wore this J.W. sweater, which is a beautiful sweater. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm thin enough to pull it off.

It does look great. And so explain what happened because I kind of missed this a little bit. This was like, I don't know, April 2020, like early days of lockdown life. And Harry had worn this sweater on the Today Show maybe. And someone recreated it on TikTok. And it's like a patchwork cardigan. I mean, I know how to knit, but I'm not like an advanced knitter. But the idea, the premise of the sweater is pretty simple in that you just. crochet a bunch of squares and then you fix them together so it's like a fun easy pattern i think and so everyone started making it and it became like a real internet sensation and then the brand started giving away the pattern for free to encourage more people to do it and it was you know part of that early pandemic DIY boom. That's actually cool. I didn't realize that JW Anderson gave the pattern away. Yeah. And then I think just to like help inspire more people. That's really smart. I mean, it's sort of like great marketing. More people to take money away from them. Don't buy our clothes. Make your own. They were already. They were sold out. They were making money. Yeah. And they were making money on the chain mule. Yes. You know, the gold chain mule that everyone has. You know, I almost bought that with a credit that I had on a large internet fashion retailer. And then I pulled back because I thought, I said, Chris, that's too fucking far, bro. You can't rock those. I just can't do it. Much like this patchwork cardigan. Also, what do we think the cardigan was going for, Steph? Retail. We're looking at over $1,000, right? I think, like, around $1,000. I don't know if it was well over. The JW Anderson ready-to-wear is actually, like, I'm going to say reasonably priced, and by that I mean reasonably priced in the luxury fashion sphere. Yes, yes, yes. It's not your Uniqlo. Yeah, our podcast income, unfortunately, is only allowing us to shop at Uniqlo, and Jason likes H&M. I don't really do the fast fashion thing. We can afford the JW Converse, though. That's what we can afford.

But the Chain Mule is a true maximalist offering that I find very cool looking on the internet, but I've never seen it in real life. So if you have, I would love to hear if it looks disproportionate or if it does work. That's a great point. I actually don't think I've ever seen it in real life. So this is the Mule shoe that has the gold link chain that's ridiculously oversized, right? Yes, very oversized. Who wears this? They're very popular. You can see a lot of fit pics. They're very popular, but you've never seen anyone wearing them in public, just on Instagram and stuff. Yes. To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of people in public, period. Because of the coronavirus? Because of the COVID-19 virus. Luckily for all of us, it's over now, so thank God. I don't think I've seen anybody wear them in real life. I feel like I saw people I know wear them on Instagram, not just influencers. But what I'm thinking, Steph, since you're pretty connected, I'm thinking maybe we get in touch with JW directly and get a pair of those in a size 17 for Jason, a one of one. They're going to be too heavy for me to walk in. Let's see how big this chain can get. He needs to be wearing them with the Loewe t-shirt, however. Like, you can't not want to wear Jonathan's Loewe t-shirt and then try to ask him for the chain. That's a good point. That's a good point. And, you know, fashion is a back-scratching game. Yeah, these are the things that I had no idea about. I'm happy to help you guys. Please invoice us after this, Queen. Is this what consulting is? Yes, exactly. I don't want to get into that personally. That's just a little too close to home for me. I don't like to talk about – Next question, Steph. Next question. Don't worry about all that. Don't worry about all that. But, yeah, I think that those are a particular item that it seems so showy that it's interesting to me that that popped off during a time where we couldn't see people. But I guess it worked because it was photographed so much that we all know what the shoe looks like without ever seeing it in real life.

Despite this popular narrative that we're all at home and we're only going to wear sweatpants, I think people really desire clothing that feels flashy but is still comfortable. And a flat slip-on shoe that's black but has a gold chain on it is exactly that. Yeah. So this is going to be perfect for my Armenian bros in Glendale then. We prefer luxury and supreme comfort at the same time. And the great news is... the JW brand continues to issue new silhouettes and colors. So you can just keep buying into it. Luckily, if Brian Boy is listening, the only person I know who would ever wear those shoes, they come in different colors and styles, and we'll be releasing those all year. Yes, and it sounds like we're doing Spawn for JW Anderson. I would never. I think J.D. Anderson is very cool. I think J.D. Anderson is very cool, and the overall thing is cool, but I've never found a piece of his clothing that I could actually wear. You know what I'm saying? I find myself appreciating things aesthetically and from a design perspective, but also being like, there ain't no way I could wear this out in public. Who am I kidding? Who am I kidding? I just don't have the confidence. Maybe I don't have the swag. It could be a number of issues. I think that that shoe is a great example of something to thrive during the cursed pandemic. But you seem to be someone who is getting hella dressed every day, Steph. So maybe because I'm sitting here in my podcasting uniform, which consists of a Gildan white T-shirt purchased on Amazon and some... Stussy basketball shorts that mimic the Champion brand. And of course, shoeless. I have to let my dogs breathe. And Jason, what is your... Are you wearing socks or just barefoot? Absolutely. You're actually in bed. When you answered this, you were in bed. So you're definitely not wearing socks. That's how I pod. It's kind of my thing. And Jason, what is your podcast outfit today? I just have a long sleeve t-shirt. Hunter Green.

No Harris. And then, yeah, just a nice pair of socks. Because it is a little chilly. It gets a little chilly in the back quarter of my home. Yeah, the podcast studio in Glendale does get a little chilly. But, Steph, I mean, we just got a quick glimpse of you, thank God. And, I mean, you look like you were wearing a power shoulder. There's a first time for everything, Jason. Well, I just bought this dress, and it's already my best pandemic purchase. It's from this brand called Sea. My best pandemic purchase was water and toilet paper, but go on, queen. Well, yeah, it's this dress and staying alive. Sure, sure. Yeah, and then the third place is the ring light. Yes, yes. I have food, water, some gas to get me through the night, and then a bomb-ass ring light is what I have on my... Amazon purchase history. But I thought about this when I was getting dressed today because I know that you both are into fitness. You love working out. Yes. And the secret of this dress, so it's from this brand called Sea New York, spelled like the ocean, sea. Oh, yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, nylon sleeves and this big like poofy skirt and pockets in it. But I bought it in a... really large size so that it was almost like a nightgown and the best part is underneath all day i wear my running clothes and then at the end of the day because it's like a big foofy dress remove the dress and you hit the pavement shit and that's a fashion tip for you guys that is fucked up jason that is a plus that we can't we're not on your level so i could have been wearing my workout clothes under my gown this entire time is what you're saying yeah exactly and i don't know if there's Is there a men's equivalent? Jason, unfortunately, your La Perla nightgown is a little too strappy for this kind of thing, so I think you would need something a little more sack-like in style to pull this off. He did a small influencer deal with him. It's only stories, one grid post, so it'll expire soon, and he can start experiencing it more. Yeah, La Perla, hashtag what pearls you. What pearls you? Hashtag man.

Hashtag pearl partner. What are your favorite spawn hashtags? Do you prefer hashtag ad, hashtag spawn, or partner? I love partner. Because it just sounds romantic. Partner is the stupidest one, so therefore my favorite. Okay. But also, I wouldn't disclose. I hate disclosure. I think it's stupid. Sometimes you have to, Chris. Yeah, I think the law. Yeah. I'm saying another one of my important causes that I'm going to take up on my presidential run is getting away with paid ad disclosure for my Instagram brethren, and I will deal with – is it the FCC? I'll call the FCC, and we'll see what we can do because I don't think – I know Trump almost got that push through, so you're the man. Yeah, yeah. We have to end the tyranny against influencers and allow them to make as much money as they can during this time. I think they've had it really difficult, much like us. We need to fight to pardon Skims for their crime. Yes, exactly. Skims. Let Skims advertise. No, hashtag partner is probably my favorite one. I don't like when they make a special hashtag for the actual campaign. That seems pointless to me. That's bad. I like just plain old ad. Do you? Yeah, ad is a classic. I would love to do hashtag employee or something like that. The fact that you have to disclose it is a little dumb. It's just like it's clearly an ad. Speak for yourself, Jason. All of the sponsored content that goes up on at done-to-death projects on Instagram is a true partnership where I feel recognized for my talent and I really respect the brand and its designer. Chris, you need to step your standards up because if you have these people who are actual partners, they should actually start paying you instead of just doing product trade. You're right, and I'm working on that. I'm trying my best to get a little scratch out of these people. There's a little self-worth, you know what I mean? Because I believe in you, and it's about time you started believing in yourself. You're right. These brands only believe that I'm worth some socks and maybe a T-shirt here and there, which is not going to, unfortunately, pay this rent or the other rent or the car payment, et cetera. I need to work on this. But, I mean, so have – Steph, have influencers. I feel like influencing because basically –

Every three months, they're saying it's over. This is not working anymore. This isn't going to happen. We're going to move towards something else. And that's been like five years, and we haven't moved on to anything else. Yeah. I think this is the golden age of influencing that we're in right now. Totally. Totally. Completely. I'm constantly influenced. Like, I think there's like – I am. There's like a real sense of like – Damn, you got a damn DUI, don't you? She got pulled over like Bruce Springsteen. That case got dismissed. I was reading about it this morning. Well, fuck Bruce Springsteen either way. Oh, wait. I'm from the state of New Jersey. She's from New Jersey, Jason. You can't do that on this podcast. I apologize. I'm going to leave the podcast. I apologize for my coast. Although Bruce Springsteen and his cursed podcast with Obama is not endorsed by How Long Gone. Yeah, Steph, I apologize. I apologize. It's just I'm angry because I like to go after our competition on Spotify. Totally. A new challenger has appeared. I understand. Did you see the photos of them in the studio? I mean, it literally looked like How Long Gone. It was two guys chatting. It looked exactly like this podcast. It's fucked up. It was like a stone's throw from a Ralph Lauren ad. Weren't they in a wood-paneled room? It was just so honey-lighting. It looked more like a Casamigos ad than a podcast. Yes, yes, yes it did. It was as if Casamigos was neoliberal and they had a recording studio. It was a very cool setup. I'm sorry. Let's get back to you being in. This is all American wood. Yeah, that was repurposed from a failing factory somewhere in the outskirts of Jersey City. Upcycled New Jersey pine right here. Sounds good, doesn't it, Barack? Can I call you Barack? Yeah. Can I call you Barry? Can I call you? You want a shot, Barry? I will say the only good thing about the like brief Bruce Springsteen potential DUI was that it took the Jeep commercial off the air. That's true. Yeah, you have been on record for decades, it seems like, hating the Jeep Corporation. I know that you've been very anti-Jeep. Yeah, are you a non-Jeep chick? I could see you being a little bit of a hack the doors off and drive through Manhattan on a summer day, not you. No, I would love that. I just thought that ad was incredibly strange. And as a citizen of New Jersey, I feel a real ownership.

Just a little joke. I feel a real ownership over the state. And I feel like the celebrities from New Jersey should be endorsing New Jersey and only New Jersey. And that ad was shot in the middle of somewhere. I was like, Bruce is only in New Jersey. I want to believe that he is just still in Asbury Park, like hanging out. Like, I'm very offended that Jon Bon Jovi called his rosé Hampton water. That to me is a crime. Wait, that's Bon Jovi's rosé? I've been drinking his piss this whole time? That is a crime. Steph, that is a crime for many reasons. That's one of my favorite rosés. God damn it. Jason, you're going to have to go back to the Whispering Angel. I'm sorry, King. No need to apologize. Yeah, it's difficult. So anyway, that's sort of my qualm with the Jeep. I have nothing against Jeep. I would love to own a car and be a Jeep partner. Steph, does this have anything to do with your partnership with the Lexus brand? The Lexus December to Remember campaign that you so clearly dominated. We all saw the campaign. I will say there was a brief period where we were doing a spawn for Uber style. Hashtag Uber style. What is Uber style? Yeah, what is that? Is that a stylist comes to your house? No. Takes you to the fucking club? It was just like Uber's play to get into the fashion community, I guess. It was one of those special hashtags. I hashtagged some stories Uber style. This was back when we were in cars and going to Fashion Week. I feel like Uber was pretty entrenched in the fashion world because it is what people use. I don't know if they had to spend money. Lyft is just not chic. It's just not. It's ugly. The brand is ugly. The name is ugly. It has a Y in it for no reason. Uber feels good even though it's bad. I'm more of a Lyft girl myself. We've talked about this. I like Lyft. I like Lyft. Steph, no. Jason, he's on his little fake working class swag. Uber is a cis white driver platform that I choose not to be a part of their narrative. I prefer the inclusive Lyft platform where all passengers are welcome. You're right. You're right. You know what it is? I can't ever forgive Lyft for the mustache. That's really what it comes down to. Yeah.

Yeah, I agree with that, but I think they know what they did, and they feel so bad about it that they're going to put in the work that Uber won't. Uber will sit on their laurels being like, we're the king of the show, and then Lyft will kind of quietly mustache their way into the driver's seat, pun intended. Steph, have you participated in a lot of SponCon? No. Are you just kind of highlighting Uber as a classic because you loved it so much? The latter. OK, I didn't know. Here's the thing, though. I'm not getting asked to do a lot of SponCon. So I think, you know, there's sort of the church and state journalist, the influencer, like like editorial versus business. And so I feel like. Even if I was getting asked to do SpawnCon, I would probably have to say no to remain like an unbiased. Yes, that's true. Critic. Yeah. At least fashion SpawnCon. I could do like, you know. You could do some Chobani is what you're saying. Exactly. Jason, let's put Steph in touch with Ghia, see what we can do for a little non-alcoholic aperitif campaign. I think that's something to consider. We have a few other opportunities we can discuss with you after the show. When you spend a night drinking a delicious Ghia, you don't need to use Uber or Lyft. Exactly. It takes it out of the conversation completely, which is powerful. Yeah, but when you guys are saying it's the golden age of influencing, And people are talking about it being over or not over. I mean, just me personally. In the last year, I have done more influencing than I've ever done in my entire life where I used to make fun of it and now it's like a thing that I do. You're welcome. You have to believe that's the American dream. Chris can take most of the credit for that. I am taking the credit for that. Unfortunately, I'm a little more discerning with my hashtag ad, hashtag partner relationships. But I do think that our attitude changed a little bit because we now have something to sell.

I feel like there's that layer of people that their job is to be an influencer and they obviously make the most money and they put the most effort and time into it. We have this show that we are trying to promote and get as many listeners as possible for. So there's an end game to this more so than there is maybe for some people. So that's how I think we're able to justify it a little bit in our minds. And why we don't take photos of us with a thing of moisturizer next to our ear on the beach. type of influence. I would do that. I'm not above it though. I would do that if the check was right. You know what I mean? If the check was right. But I think that it's just part of the game. But I think that brands... this has been the only thing they could do for a year is like send people clothes. So it's like I don't know what else. Besides sending you elaborate invites to watch a show on Zoom, all they can really do is like send clothes to people and have them take the photos. I mean now we're getting – we've moved past that. But I feel like the first six months, that was really all they could do. Yeah, and I do feel like it's really successful marketing. And like today when I was looking at Instagram and like some friends – like if I see a friend doing – spawn or influence i'm like yeah get it like get paid you know same same same it's like times are tough out there you know if someone wants you to talk up their i don't know scarf brand like go for it jason jason would be interesting jason's a big proponent of neck warmth so if that brand is listening yeah get in touch literally always freezing so yeah yeah glendale is a little chilly do you think that with do you think that with the user generated content, there is more opportunity to have a successful ad campaign than the previous commercial agency typical model or it's about the same. I feel like nowadays when I see a great user-generated ad, I'm like, holy shit, that was amazing because it's so rare to see something really well done. I guess I feel the same about both.

there's like a natural human urge to see how other people wear clothes. And like, we've all like talked about the rise of the fit pick. And I think like at home influencing really goes hand in hand with that. Like it's. exciting for me to watch a fashion show live stream on zoom and then it's exciting for me to go on instagram and see how the celebrities and the influencers and everyone who has sent a look are actually wearing those clothes because before i would see them in the front row at the show and now it's just all happening online and it helps create that sense of like an event happening as opposed to like you know a streaming And you get to see how a garment is worn by dozens of people versus how one stylist thinks one model should wear it. Exactly. Exactly. And like I was talking to a designer on Zoom earlier today and there's this real like the brands have all the power in Digital Fashion Week. They get to decide how things are styled and how things are photographed and how things are shown on video and how things look backstage. Whereas before it was like. there were like a thousand photographers at a fashion show. And also every guest had a camera in their phone. So they're, you know, the designer doesn't have a lot of control. They put it out on the runway and then whatever happens, happens. Hope for the best. And so it's exciting to see garments actually have lives beyond the runway, whether or not they're spawn or not. You know, I came back to New York for a few days and just seeing people actually get dressed was invigorating. Like it was like – Like walking to the grocery store is like exciting. Yeah. Seeing the outfits, I'm like, yes. That does not happen in Burbank. It does not happen in Burbank. Unfortunately – I'm the only one getting these tasty fits off. Yeah, I've never seen that, but I believe you. I think that the – I don't – what is your feeling on creativity via masks? Because I'm a medical only guy. I think it should be –

I think it should be a space, a blank canvas. I don't like when people get creative with their masks. And when he says he's a medical guy, that means he's an anti-masker, just to clarify. No, no, no, no, no. Jason. He's not a big fan of when people wear the mask. Oof. Oof. Look, I don't like being told what to do. You've got to be double masking now. Okay. I've been trying to get Chris to double mask, but he's been a little resistant. So if you could convince him, that would be great because it could save some lives. Jason, first of all, I've never seen your goofy ass with a mask. Jason has these giant ears that could support two masks. My thin, beautiful ears, they have to hold up these Cutler and Gross glasses. They have to keep the AirPods in. Two masks. These things will fold over. Chris, those Warby Parkers weigh nothing. They're so light. Do not come from my eyewear. But I do think that the mask as a form of expression is something that a lot of brands have. I mean, I've seen a lot of brands do it. And some of them actually, as an object, look cool. Like, oh, I like that print. Or when Bodhi put the beads on. Or at Cal Slata, I like them. But I don't want that to become a way that people express themselves. To me, it's like expressing yourself through a cell phone case. Chris. Am I wrong? I think people should express themselves however they want. At the beginning of the pandemic, I was like really anti-fashion mask because I think there is like a commodification of a health item that makes me feel like a little bit like not great. But then considering that this seems like it's going to be around for a long time and anything to encourage people to wear a mask, you know, if you feel like you love the color green and you only want to wear green and, you know, the more green garments and attire you can put on your body, then like, great, get a green mask, you know. That's a good point. Oh, I'm not saying, I'm not saying like.

color like you can wear a green mask if you're going for a kermit fit or a fucking gumby hook but i'm saying that like i mean i i just i just see people you know like i saw a guy yesterday and his shit he had some fucking mask on that made his mouth look like a superhero or you know what i mean just dumb shit that's like this is this is so distractingly stupid that it makes me hate you you know what i mean and i don't want to feel that way Because we're all trying to protect ourselves. So I know it's for the greater good. It sounds like it's a personal problem for me as usual. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Yeah. And I would just say that if the pandemic hadn't happened, you would find another problem with that man's outfit. You know what I mean? Like you would hate him for wearing the wrong shorts. Well, Chris has always been kind of anti-costume. You know what I mean? But that's a big part of the fashion world, if you ask me. Well, not if you do it right. I mean, I think you're able to wear clothing and express yourself in a way that if you wear it, if you wear it and don't let it wear you, Jason, it never looks like a costume. Wow. This is why your name is on the door. Just to be clear, guys, I don't work at Vogue, okay? Steph does. So I know it's confusing. I know it can be confusing when I have bars like that and I'm thinking so high level about this stuff. But I think some designers have probably made a nice little bag off masks, which I do like because I'm sure it was a hard time for them. So that is a very positive thing. You don't want to see people expressing themselves with a mask because it's usually, even when it's done well, it's still ultimately dorky, right? It's dorky. That's the problem. It's dorky. It's honestly like having a loud cell phone case to me. That's what I equate it to. It's like you don't need that. Just get the black one that does the job and leave it be and let maybe some other items that are more expressive speak for themselves. Am I wrong? Am I wrong? There's so many. There's a billion different ways that people express themselves that we all disagree with. There's somebody who's like my favorite thing in the world is like Rick and Morty and I get like a Rick and Morty haircut and tattoo and I paint my car.

the same colors like there's millions of people who you're right you're right every single thing in the world and it is all bad but you kind of have to just be like let it go but master master gonna be here forever that's how it goes i'm master just gonna be a part of our lives maybe your life but i think that um i think that the i'm just kidding no i think that the i think that yeah like i'm not gonna if somebody has like a loud exhaust in their car to express themselves that is that is Across the board, annoying, but I guess I'm speaking about masks and maybe cell phone cases specifically because those are things that fashion brands have leaned into quite heavily. You know what I mean? Those are two items that have been commoditized, and they're also made. I mean, you can spend money. You can buy a $300 fucking off-white phone case. I'm sure you can buy a $200 mask somewhere. Jason wears a Dolce & Gabbana mask sometimes, Steph, but I think it's fake, so I don't think he paid. I don't think he paid. Come on. I'm a Dolce girl, and I would never buy fakes. I didn't want to call him out on this, but luckily we're not on video, so I was going to make you check, but thank God the internet was hurting a little bit, so we had to make that change. My heart just skipped a beat. Yeah, he was nervous. He was very nervous. The thing about the phone case and the mask is, like, it is a... I'm using air quotes, but you can't see it because the camera's off. It's an excessively priced item. Price point. Yeah, it's an entryway in. It's an entryway into designer. It's the card holder of faces. And then all of a sudden, you're wearing the chain loafer, and then you've got the cardigan, and then you've got the Loewe t-shirt, and then you've just got the full look. I love it. I love an SLG. I love an SLG, a small leather good. I have a beautiful Tom Brown card holder that has the perfect patina. I have my Bottega woven leather key chain. So maybe I'm – maybe that's my mask and phone case, and I'm, of course, part of the problem. That's just the way we are with, like, the way we dress. It's a little more uniform style. It's a little more low-key, no logos, nothing too flashy, same kind of vibe every day. So whatever mask you wear will reflect that, just a plain old –

black or or blue medical grade masks that you get you know a generic one you would never wear some logo shit or something flashy but somebody else somebody else might but in this situation should we challenge ourselves to find a styled designed mask that that we would actually wear ourselves or even you know a how long gone mask collection what do you say chris wow now if somebody did approach us about the how long gone mask uh vertical You know, let's look at the numbers. You know what I'm saying? And to be honest, like a lot of accessories, I don't care if they work. As long as they look good and they sell, I mean, you know, it's great. It's good for me. And we don't have to do it how long gone. It can just be the diffusion line, you know, if you don't like the way the numbers look. There's ways that we can work around it. Yeah, Steph, so we've been talking about this actually. We should probably get your advice on this. So how long gone is obviously the master brand, but we're thinking about a small diffusion line and gone by how long gone. What do you think about that? Yeah, totally. The ultimate – Suck my dick, Mark Jacobs. Yeah, well, Mark Jacobs is like the original. Mark Jacobs, Mark by Mark Jacobs, the Mark Jacobs. And then they used to have in the stores on Bleecker Street, like, Jacobs by Mark Jacobs, Jacobs, Jacobs, Mark Jacobs, the Jacobs exclusive Jacobs. So he was just having fun with it. Yeah, it was like a joke. We're a joke, too, so that feels like the right thing to do. If you wonder if it is a joke, if you have to ask, then, you know, who's the joke on? That's a good point. Yeah, I think the diffusion line, we're going to, you know, there is some retail space available on Melrose where the Marc Jacobs conglomerate used to have 18 stores. So we're thinking about we'll open the How Long Gone Makeup, Gone by How Long Gone. We're going to do it. We're going to do like a journal pencil paper store because that's a very popular kind of vertical these days as well. And then we're thinking about like a gone cha-cha matcha crossover store, you know, where there's merchandise, there's matcha. Yeah, what about shapewear for men?

That seems like it would be of your interest. That is a great idea. I think Kim has talked to my assistant about gone for scams. It would be nice if these love handles would be gone. Am I right, fellas? Exactly, exactly. Yeah, these APCs are feeling a little tight, you know what I mean? So we need to help fellas everywhere because Jason's rubbing fucking mayonnaise on his thighs to get these jeans on. So we need this shapewear in stores soon. And I think that it does need – I think that what we could do is bring a real face to it. I don't think Kim and her sisters, as beautiful and successful as they are, they're not accessible. You know what I mean? Actually, I think maybe I do have a skin. You definitely got sent some. Yeah, you definitely got sent some. I don't know that I've ever worn it, but the loungewear is really getting good reviews. Yeah, I think it's a good product, and I think they did a great job of everything about it is pretty simple. crazy i mean i personally love kendall jenner in the ad campaign with her insane reptile body that no one could ever aspire to or achieve um and i i'm i'm for it i don't doubt their success kim has been an amazing seamstress since she kind of came onto the screen so like her construction her garment wear is just like it's not like the best but it's always like pretty good you know yeah i think if you really inspect the quality of the workmanship in the in the skims um it's it's better than you would think for the price point especially because it's pretty signature is all over it's really well priced yeah yeah i do think that men's shapewear will be something that a market that rises i i think we're not far from that i think that for sure i think that could actually pop off before makeup i feel like there's a real trend in fashion in general for this, like, meshy, close-to-the-body garment, whether it's, like, leggings or a bodysuit or a top. I wear heat tech technology sometimes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, something that you layer underneath your other...

clothes a base layer yes but i think men i think that you know regular like bros have embraced tights at the gym even though they wear shorts over them like pussies if you're really doing it you don't wear shorts over them um no shots you could see but the all the indentation of them and everything yeah yeah if you're if you're a real runner you don't put shorts over the tights or you just let it you let it spray but also you know the never nude community has been wearing this legging and and top undergarment for decades now so well unfortunately jason The Never Nude community is kind of an underground beast. So I think these bankers at Equinox have taken it above ground. My point is men are – I think men, regular men, have gotten comfortable wearing spandex material is what I'm trying to say, Steph. So I think that like that to men is almost more familiar now. Like the idea of putting on concealer is still really foreign. You happy now, AOC? Yeah, exactly, in a lot of ways. So I think that I could – but who knows? I mean I love the idea of some – out here in California where it's 80 degrees year-round, I'm having a tough time getting these fits off, Steph. It's hard not to just – I put on my Patagonia shorts one leg at a time just like everybody – other podcaster. And it's – These gams got to breathe. It's just too hot to get the fits off. The only layering I can do is with my moisturizer and my serums. And your oils, yeah. Yeah, Jason's an oil-based skincare kind of guy. But I think that I'm scared that I'm going to lose my swag. Do I just suffer or do I embrace this Cali lifestyle and start wearing the Elder Statesman when it gets chilly? Wasn't there a Sex and the City episode about this? Sorry, go ahead, Seth. Yeah, there's a Sex and the Cities episode about everything. Like the guy that was wearing the New York Mets hat and he was this hard New Yorker and then he moved to Cali and started going to Earth Cafe and got soft and stopped getting these fits off. And then you have to come to a mental crossroads. That's the premise of the Sex and the City reboot. Is it? I believe it. I don't know. Well, it seems like a lot of people aren't going to be in it. So maybe you could be.

If they need a straight white guy to play the Samantha Jones character, I could probably work with my acting coach and maybe get there. Jason's actually suggested, who'd you suggest, Jason Lizzo? Yeah, I said Lizzo should play. Lizzo, Samantha Jones would be incredible. That's an incredible casting idea. I just don't understand what the show is about. lacking a lot of the major... I don't know. I guess we'll find out on HBO Max in the coming year. Hashtag partner. I think the reality of a Sex and the City show and what HBO Max knows and everybody involved knows, it doesn't matter how awful it is. The ratings will be absolutely incredible and it will be talked about and it will do everything it needs to do except be critically acclaimed. And that's maybe okay for them. Thinking about getting some fits off at home. Who did it better than Carrie Bradshaw? Like she was a work from home blogger long before that was even a word. Steph, say less. I need 1,500 words on my desk tomorrow. That is it. No, you're absolutely right. I'm just trying to say Chris could be like experimenting with some Carrie-esque fits from whatever hotel he's staying at. Like wear boxer shorts with a belt. That's like high, you know, her iconic look with just the belt across the midriff. Chris typing away on the MacBook Air, wife beater on, no bra. Ooh, having a nice cig. That's going to be behind the paywall. So thank you for bringing that up. Chris is like, I couldn't help but wonder what we should call our diffusion brand. Yeah, exactly. Me blasting a cig and a wife beater with some, I do have some great. Sleepy Jones boxers that each panel is different colors, kind of like a Brooks Brothers Fun shirt that I have been known to lounge in from time to time. What else you got, Chris? I'm going to pass. I don't have a belt. I'm not really a belt guy anymore, so I would have to purchase one, but I'm sure you have some great belt advice for me. Another small leather good designer item entryway, so it's something to consider for my wardrobe. Jason, do you own a belt? I have multiple belts.

Dumbass. Are they designer? Who doesn't have a belt? Leather, fabric. No, I don't have a belt. I'll come out as not owning a lot of belts. Damn, y'all fat asses need to step your game up. There's more to life than just elastic. I wear a lot of skirts and dresses. Skirts and dresses don't really necessitate belts the same way. Steph is also on the front lines of the men in skirts movement, one that I didn't help start. I was hoping we would talk about this. I helped push that rock down the mountain at least a little bit, I think. You know, a skirt, actually, maybe that's what I should be wearing in L.A. because it provides what I need with a little more formality than the shorts. Pull up to Runyon and something fierce. And it's more fun. What skirt? I mean, obviously, I have my Tom Brown, but are there other skirts I should be looking at? Well, there was a great red plaid skirt, sort of like knee length. Oh, Jeremy. In the Molly Goddard collection. Jeremy makes skirts, too. Oh, yeah. There's an essence. There's a Molly Goddard today. Her show, I really like her fair isles. Her sweaters are very nice. What do you think the price is? What's the price looking like on those sweaters? $800? Contemporary pricing? Yeah. I think so. I honestly don't know. I mean, the tulle dresses are very expensive. Are you rocking Molly Goddard in your free time? Not yet, but I sort of planned to. Like, I was DMing with Friend of the Pod, Sam Hine, about that pleated skirt, Fair Isle sweater, blazer combo, just sort of in agreement that we should all buy that outfit and then wear it in the fall. Yeah, I do think that outfit, I know exactly what you're talking about, and I do think that outfit specifically truly looks good on a man or a woman. Like, it really does. cover all the bases um and i i mean i liked that whole thing those dresses are very intricate and i think sometimes and jason might suffer from suffer from this as well but with with women's clothing especially um like couture or like really serious stuff i have a hard time kind of understanding what's good and bad like i i know what i like and don't like but sometimes i'm like i don't think i understand this like i don't think i'm able to

I'm not – yeah. I don't think I understand enough to comment, which is a very rare thing for me. Usually I just let it spray. But with women's clothing, I respect the art form too much. And I just – I think I need maybe to spend some more time with it to feel like I'm justified in liking or not liking something. You need to be hanging out like in the women's section of Bergdorf and just vibing, figuring out what you like and what you don't like. What platform shoes are for you? Cell phone inside, Bergdorf women's section, just vibing. Just vibing. Honestly, at this point, the idea of walking through a store and just running my hand across the rails of brand new, new garment smell is like, ooh, what a thrill that would be. Damn. Calm down. We're putting that behind the paywall, too. Yeah, we're putting that behind the paywall, too. Damn, Jason. Yeah. Whoa. I think there could be a great fashion and only fans. Is that what it's called? Do you know exactly what it's called? Yeah, I like that. Oh, is that what it's called? Is this one of those websites that I've been hearing about? I don't know. Yeah, some of your favorite influencers are on OnlyFans, so don't act like you're going to follow that. To come full circle, five years ago or longer, J.W. Anderson streamed a show on Grindr, and I was emailing with the PR saying, another stream that i can watch it on she was like no you have to download grinder so i was briefly on grinder i got a lot of messages well what did you use all i want to say about that i had no profile pic no i had no profile pic and my name was steph like i didn't put a man's name steph could be a man's name also yeah so i don't know did you meet anyone did you Is there a life partner reveal? No. That would have been amazing, though, if I had downloaded Grindr to watch a fashion show and then met my soulmate. Met the partner of your dreams. Yeah, that's truly a Netflix series, a limited series. That story in general, I think it's a modern love story. I mean, who sold the...

Who sold the collection on Craigslist? Was that Wales Bonner? Or was that... That was Martine Rose Nike. She sold, like, you could purchase some of the collection via Craigslist, which I also thought was pretty clever. Martine Rose is, like, really doing it better than everyone. I agree. I'm a big fan of my Napa fleece. Shoutouts. Oh, God. Yeah. We know, Jason. You have three items of designer clothing, so we're kind of familiar with them on the show at this point. One day I'm going to grow up to be a big boy wearing the nice clothes like you guys. No, Steph is wearing the nice clothes, Jason. You know I'm not wearing nice clothes. Steph is truly an inspiration, and I've been really impressed with your dedication to... getting dressed during this entire quarantine. I've seen many images of you, whether it's work related or on stories or whatever. I just, I honestly, I think it's like a very important thing for people to do. I failed. Um, and, uh, I'm, I've moved on, but I do think it's good for the mental space to, uh, operate the way you've been operating. I feel like it's probably helped you too. Yes. I'm sort of like, well, what else was I going to do? You know, like, this is just how I wake up. Wear comfortable clothes? I don't really own, like, you know, I own, like, one pair of sweatpants and close to where to work out, but it just, like, doesn't compute in my mind to not, like, get up. Entire world, of course. Oh, they're, no, they're from Target and I bought them when I was 16. And I've had them ever since. Shit. I know. Yeah, we have a friend of the show, Mikey, who he is similar to you. He wears like a Celine suit on a Sunday to get a coffee with me. And didn't he tell us, Jason, that he like watches TV at home in jeans? That's like as casual as he will get. Doesn't own shorts. See, I feel like jeans.

are not comfortable. I'm not a big pants person as we covered, but the thing is like all the clothes that I was wearing before, like big poofy dresses and like voluminous skirts and silly blouses, like they're all pretty comfortable. You know, if you're wearing like a voluminous, what is this taffeta thing? Like it's essentially a nightgown. The opposite of body calm. Yeah. It's body averse. How would you describe your style? I'm body averse. It's constantly trying to flee your own body. Yeah, it's like wearing a big, comfy pillowcase or something, like the ghost costume for Halloween, but it's fashion. I mean, the thought of trying to put jeans on right now is haunting to me. As a known denim daddy, shout out to MatchesFashion.com. Denim was my kind of focus. Oh, yes. You know, I just, that's the only pants I want to wear. It sucks, but that's what it is. Everything else just doesn't feel that right to me. You know, I have a couple, I have a pair of Ben Davises. I got tailored that I like. I have a couple other things, but if I'm, if I'm left to my own devices, it's, it's gotta be jeans. I, you know, I, I, it's just, I'm a regular American cat. What can I say? I think I stand with Steph. Like if you get a really nice, comfortable, well-fitting pair of trousers, they're so much more comfortable than jeans, if you ask me. They are. I mean, like a worn-in pair of Dickies is like the most comfortable. It's like better than sweats. Smells like broken here. I think Steph... Y'all need to step y'all game up. Steph wearing Dickies reminds me that... Didn't you have a little pop-punk phase being from New Jersey? Oh, yes. I'm glad you brought it up. You a My Chemical girl? What's going on? She's rocked. She's definitely rocked brand new in the Civic. Growing up, I drove... Chevy Beretta, which is a car like Google it. It was eggplant purple and my parents bought it from our across the street neighbor. Hey, Siri, what's the most New Jersey car you could ever own? And what was really cool about it was that the electric didn't work. So to do the blinker, I had to manually blink. And for a long time, the radio didn't work.

And the speedometer also didn't work. What do you mean you manually blinked? Like the blinker light would turn on, but it wouldn't flicker. Oh, it would just go solid, so you had to manually click it back on and off. Yeah, on and off, on and off. Damn, if they didn't Jersey, you can kiss my ass. That's cool. Yeah, it was a great car, and it had the cassette deck where you had to get that special cassette. to iPod converter. Of course, yeah. And what kind of music were we playing on that iPod Nano? I did not have the iPod Nano. I had like the big one with the wheel. Yeah, the clunky one. Okay. I think like most millennials, I was a big Bright Eyes fan. Ooh, well. Driving in the Beretta, tears coming down my face. On Route 17 in Paramus, New Jersey. After a troubling breakup at the mall food court? Absolutely. Damn. That really does paint a picture, and I've never even been to Paramus, New Jersey or been in a Beretta, but I can feel this. It's visceral. Well, that's the power of Bright Eyes, Chris. Yeah, yeah. I mean, what a career. You know, Bright Eyes teens have aged into Phoebe Bridger's women, so it's great. That's true, and I'm on record as a Phoebe Bridgers woman myself, and I liked Bright Eyes when I was pretty young, and then he got to a point where I was just like, I don't like this anymore. The whole shtick was a little twee for me, but he has some songs, and he's had... a very interesting career. Like he's been able to go through many phases and be very successful the whole time. It's impressive. I'm not listening to a lot of bright eyes now, but I will say it defined my, uh, my youth for sure. What are we, what are we listening to nowadays? How's our musical tastes evolved or devolved? Uh, both. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she's not, she is, Steph is a big room EDM on the weekends.

But during the week, she... Yeah, what kind of EDM do you like? Yeah, are you like a marshmallow or... No. No, it's really funny. I interviewed Richie Houghton, who goes by Plastic Man, who does the soundtrack for the Prada show. So I was talking to him today. It was really interesting. Techno legend, Richie Houghton. Because I really don't know anything about electronic music. It was just the genre that missed me. Yep, same. Well, you know why, Steph? That makes us better people. Steph, you can just hang up on this call right now if you want to keep talking that mess. Don't come for the legend, Richie, in front of Jason. You know that's his man. He was awesome. No, I mean, it was such a fun interview, and he was so... um such a compelling person to talk to and i think he does a really great job with the soundtracks for the prada show and he seems like a really awesome collaborator yeah for raf and mrs prada but it was just like introducing me to like i did a lot of research about him and i was exploring like a new yeah a new musical world that i didn't know about before All joking aside, Jason has put me on – because we do the radio show with Spotify, so we listen to new music every week. Jason has opened my eyes to some electronic music that does tickle my fancy. So it is – my point is it is possible for us bright eyes. Bright eyes. bright eyes gals to to be turned on to some i turned chris into a techno chick and i can do the same thing for you stuff i would love to i would love to be turned into a techno chick it's really hard to um work from home and write in silence like in the office i was always wearing headphones and listening to music all day and now I guess I could be doing it at home, but it just seems a little weird. However, I've started playing random techno on my Apple HomePod. But I need, like, a recommendation. I need a starting point. It's just sort of like I'm telling Siri to play whatever. Jason will send you some playlists that will wet your whistle for the genre. And, you know, who knows? Maybe you're going to trade in that.

these gauzy dresses for some Techniques 1200s and maybe have a little career switch. Yeah, just wait. Six months from now, I'm going to have a totally new look and be flying to Berlin. These fashion influencer chicks keep taking money out of my DJ wallet. It's fucking first Paris Hilton, now you stuff. Yeah, this is bullshit, man. I would be more than happy to prescribe a techno playlist for you to... Do some lo-fi homework beats and study too. He's very good at that. He's very good at that. Very experienced. Well, Steph, before we go, I just wanted to confirm with you that, you know, I've talked to some of your coworkers and your former coworkers. And I just want to, you know, am I at my soul and my core? Am I a Vogue chick? Like, would I make the cut? Oh, my God. Absolutely. You wrote an article that I assigned you. I know. TBT. What was that article? If you don't mind me. Have you assigned me a few? No, maybe that's it. No, a few. I think we've done a few. Yeah, you wrote another article for Bridget for the culture section about your friend, the photographer. Yes, that's right, about those Coachella Polaroids. Yeah, those were amazing. I forgot about that. Yeah, I wrote about the rise of short shorts for men like four years ago when it was a new trend. Right at the start. You heard it here first. Yeah, and then everyone was like, we need to be covering short shorts. for men, and I was like, let me pull up the link. Chris Black already talked about it on Vogue.com. We already did it, and shout out to the whole Vogue family. You guys covered this bro-cast, as you coined. I know. Something we can't live down for the rest of our lives. We've had a few of your co-workers on the show, though. Coworkers and friends. Yeah, it's an honor to be on the brocast. On a scale of one to barstool, how bro-y do you think we are? Seven? Shit. That's not good.

We'll share some data with you to prove that we have a pretty long... This podcast is over. We'll share some data with you after this podcast that proves that we have a large female listenership just to prove that we're trying to escape this title that we were given by your cursed boss. This testosterone-laced clutches. Thanks a lot, Vogue. Yeah, thanks, Vogue. But, no, Steph, it's a pleasure, and thank you for all your insight. And you guys can follow Steph on Twitter and Instagram. What's the handle, Steph? At Steph Yatka. And then also all of her writing is on VogueRunway.com. You know how to search by author. Come on, guys. Steph, do you have any closing questions for us that you didn't get a chance to ask, perhaps? Well, I was – Thank you for asking. Sometimes we can kind of smother the guest with our barrage of commentary. I want to make sure that nothing was left on the table. I enjoyed it. Jason followed me on social media today. I followed back. But I was wondering if there's an age. Don't pat yourself on the back for the team follow back. We thought you were team follow back, but thank you for confirming that you're team follow back. Thanks for your patronage stuff. Thanks for yours. No problem. I'm going to come out as a them jeans partner. There we go. Hashtag jeans partner. That sounds like a feel campaign. We can't give that away for free. Go ahead. But I noticed that you guys are both blue tick, Twitter, Instagram. I got my blue tick taken away on Twitter because I changed my username from a silly handle to my actual name because I thought it would be better professionally and it turns out it's not. I'm just wondering if you feel like you're ever going to abandon done to death and them genes or it's forever. That's a great question. Our publicist informed us to never edit our bios or like anything to do with social media. Just like this is what you're doing. You leave it that way. Don't ever change it. Never change your avatar photo. Never change your at. Never. A problem for me because my avatar photo is an illustration of a pyramid from 15 years ago and people think I'm Illuminati sometimes. That's cool though. And it's tough for me because my avatar is just a hot photo of me and my face. So I'm worried that people are going to think I'm attractive. Yeah.

The gift and the curse of being a beautiful male influencer DJ podcaster. Long story short, if you want us to get your blue check back, all you had to do was ask Steph. Thanks, guys. I feel like somebody at Condé Nast should be able to get that check back for you. I guess. You need to put the... One would think. I feel like people in the... I'll DM Jack. Yeah. You need to march upstairs and bang on some doors and say, you know, you're... Your favorite daughter is losing some clout on the Internet, and you don't want that. And let's make this happen. Your intern should not have a blue check. Well, you don't. Yeah, exactly. Call me crazy. That seems ass backwards. It does seem ass backwards. Justice for Steph. Justice for Steph. Twitter.com. Thank you. Twitter.com, I know you're listening. Please go into your back end. Click that button. Give her the check she deserves. No one deserves it more than her except me, and I already have it, so it's fine. Steph. It was a pleasure. Thank you, guys. Give her a follow for some incredible fashion coverage, insightful news and advice on Twitter and Instagram and VogueRunway.com. We'll be back with more podcasts in the very near future. Awesome. Thank you, guys. Bye. Bye.