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good afternoon cactus chris how are you cactus chris in the fucking building you already know what the fuck going on um i was just actually jason thank you for reminding me i was just thumbing through the new cactus jack mcdonald's collaboration um on my cell phone okay well let's go through it this is breaking news i saw that there are multiple pairs of 250 denim shorts that are a the hemline the hemline is an interesting That's a DMX hemline on those shorts. Them's is DMX draws. Well, I would say my favorite product is the McDonald's Cactus Jack Nugget Body Pillow. A 36-inch long body pillow with a woven McDonald's Cactus Jack collaborative label. But, bro, these guys, $90 isn't bad, but these guys are doing 9 to 12 weeks. That means they're doing a pre-order, like a broke podcast. Only a broke podcast would do a pre-order. Yeah, we make our shit, and if we lose money, we lose money. We nut up, and we just take the L. You know what I'm saying? We nut up, we take the L, which has not happened yet as we do sell out in just minutes. Well, it's not going to happen, but it's something to think about. But, I mean, I'm saying I just want a little more honesty from the world where if you're going to do that, just say, You know, I don't want to take a financial loss instead of saying, like, I don't want Mother Nature to take a financial loss because I made three extra beanies. You guys don't care. You guys don't care about the environment. You care about the bottom line. And there's no shame in that. Like, I'm fine with that. But the Cactus Jack merchandise, I would say that there are, I mean, honestly, the cartoon nugget T-shirts with the stitched mouths are pretty crazy. But then I do like Cactus Mac. That's a clever flip, wouldn't you say? It is a very, very clever use of wordplay there that only a lyricist known as whoever writes Cactus Jack's bars for him. Only Cy High could come up with something like that. Do you think they brought Cy High the Prince in to write Cactus Jack, Cactus, excuse me, McDonald's? Actually, hold on.

The Billion Serve work jacket for 128 is really some blue-collar stolen valor. Well, you know, Billion Serve is a very classic. It does have a little bit of a drug-dealing undertone of serving. So I think Travis would like that. But then, you know, how far into the innuendo? Travis Scott's upper middle class from the suburbs, bro. That motherfucker ain't even from the streets. But there are, Jason, what do you want? Because I'm going to buy something. Would it be best for me to purchase you the Cactus Jack Styrofoam Cup 10-pack? Would you pour up if I got you those? Yeah, of course. But the greater question is how far into the bad boy. innuendo is mcdonald's corporation willing to go a styrofoam cup 10 pack you know i think everybody knows that that is like this is a cup that you do drugs out of that you do illegal drugs out of do drugs out and this and this is not like a cheeky little collab with like your bro's restaurant or something like that this is this is the one of the biggest corporations in the history of mankind and they are they are doing drug stuff and they're doing illegal stuff Well, I saw my friend, Chicago legend Joe Freshgoods, who collaborated with McDonald's previously, and his take was McDonald's corporate was the hardest he's ever had to deal with, and Travis Scott kind of snapped considering the limitations. I agree. As a guy who's done this before. So I would say getting billions served, worked in, when that's an obvious drug reference, and also selling styrofoam cups is a win for the culture. It is a win for the culture, and I'm happy about it. It is surprising to see. What do you think about these types of collaborations just as a whole for all parties? First of all, do you think they have a deal worked out where they have a rev share split, or do you think they just gave Travis Scott a flat fee for this collab?

I imagine he probably got a design fee plus back end because, I mean, if you notice, they're selling the merch. It's sold from his site, not a McDonald's site. Right. Yeah, but I'm sure they decided that that would be a good idea, all parties, which it was a good idea. But they had to give him a fee just to do the collaboration in general. Well, they usually give you a design fee and then plus back end. You know what I mean? Well, I'm not talking about the merch. I'm talking about the entire collab as a whole. He has his own burger. He's doing commercials. He has a french fry and a drink combo. Oh, the check is absolutely insane hitting so hard. McDonald's doesn't need... That's the thing about companies like this. They don't need to do it, but they're happy to do it and just overpay because it doesn't matter. It's like you're going to sell... McDonald's sells no matter if they're advertising or not. They don't need advertisements to sell McDonald's. Do you think this is an above $5 million deal? I would hope so. i mean really you think so what do you what would you guess all in all how much how much actually man is taking home from this it could maybe be three it could be three to five is my i mean depending on what he's asked to do i mean the thing is with shit like this and you know this is being a booker it's like you know there's no appearances involved you know there's a lot of stuff that maybe he would have to do these not normally doing if he's getting if he got a design fee for his squad to you know use photoshop for an hour and and his production is handling it so all his all his guys are getting paid off of this and and and he's getting like the celebrity fee and like the thing is like this is you know i mean this is cool for him kind of it's like this is what he does he made cereal it's like this is what he does now and it's like the music the only song i can even think of is a drake song with travis scott on it you know what i mean so it's like i don't why not you know it's good for him yeah i don't i don't like travis scott but he's he's very boring but uh it is i mean it is great for him and it is interesting to see how how this is all shaking out i mean i i think there's some

bigger issues at hand like mcdonald's being awful for you you know and like making like making that cool but i don't think that i don't think travis scott really has much of like a conscience you know what i mean so i'm sure he's not that concerned and i don't blame him i mean look if mcdonald's came to how long gone and said we'll give you three million i'd start eating fucking burgers i i would like to do a fish fillet collaboration just putting it out into the universe if if that was an option on the table i don't But also, that being said, this has inspired me to go to McDonald's and try this meal. I mean, out of all the dumb novelty restaurant fast food thingies that you see pop up, I don't care about any of them. But this, I don't know why I want to try. There's a soda. There's a drink called Sprite that he's debuting. And I want to give that a shot. I think it's like a new urban beverage that he's rolling out, so that should be interesting. Look, Drake already made Sprite hot. Don't forget it. Doesn't that feel like 20 years ago? It really does, but Drake made Sprite hot as hell. Jason, I've never seen your Sprite look anything but clear, so we know you ain't really sipping. I sip, but I would never mix it with Sprite. It has refined sugars, bro. I'm only pouring up with a natural elixir beverage. Maybe a harmless harvest. Damn, damn. Harmless harvest with lean could be... That's a good idea, Jason. Uh-huh. Should we try? We should get a taste test. We should get a little, we should get a zip and try to get a taste test. That's my favorite thing. When a person that we both know called, when I was trying to buy lean from him in like 2012, he called it a zip. And I'm like, bitch, it's a bottle. You can't call it a zip. The reason they call weed a zip is because it's a Ziploc bag. Well, you know, zip in a double cup, bro. Yes, but a zip... It works. Yeah, I mean, I guess that. And also, a Z, you would call it a zone because the zip starts with a Z as well. There's a lot of fun wordplay that you can... I mean, I think it's all cool. I was just, you know, as a novice, I was a little confused. I was like... A zip! A zip! Zip! So, did you ship the hats out?

Hats are shipped out, yes. The green on green tonal hats, those have all been shipped out. Thank you guys for ordering. Them little spruce joints. Yeah, them little sprucers. We saw some interesting celebs, some streetwear legends and icons in there in the shipping report. It's good to see us beating the streets of influential, legendary members of the fashion community. You know who you are. I'm not going to shout you out. We're not going to shout you out, but big ups to you and your pops. You know what I'm saying? Jacques Mou got three. He got the full-size run. He had to get one for the people of Marseille. We were talking earlier about... you know the the shipping difficulties that we the the how long gone fulfillment center is just jason um shirtless with his little bird chest out in the in the garage in glendale and you know if if i if i have covid and you bought the hat, you would now have COVID. Buying merchandise from how long gone is supporting the super spreader industry. But I think that... You know I'm sneezing all over that bitch, right? Every hat gets a TJ sneeze. That's free. We'll give you that. We've given you that. But Jason, we've talked about the issues of international shipping. It's just a lot of paperwork and a lot of pain in the ass. But we had the idea earlier to maybe do a Canadian exclusive capsule collection. Yes, yes. A frosty Canada only, so there's no confusion. We can quiet our friends to the north up once and for all because they really want that merch, and I think we should do it. We've got to give it to them. And then what country is next? Abu Dhabi? I mean, I think that we need to check our stats and look at our international numbers. Well, unfortunately, Canada is in second place, but I think... third place might be I mean like outside of like the major European countries like Germany France blah blah Australia is up there and I don't even know how to ship something to Australia it just sounds like too much of a pain in the ass shipping anything to Australia is more expensive than whatever the thing is no matter what the thing is so yeah but they're happy to pay

We're going to stick to Canada. I think that we get so much love from North America's hat. We can't pinpoint it, but we need to feed those cold, hard streets. Yeah, shout out. Edmonton, stand up. Calgary, stand up. Saskatoon, stand up. Nova Scotia, I see you. You know what I'm saying? We'll think about it. If you guys have any ideas, like a toque or maybe a roots. sock collab or i'm thinking um we got to get canada goose on the line we don't fuck with canada goose jason that's fucked up bro um you you already know pita we stand with pita on this side so you don't you you don't do you don't do goose anymore goose goose has been canceled i've never worn a canada goose i've never owned canada goose the fact that you would even insinuate that is disrespectful Is that because of a fashion reason or because of ethical reasons? Oh, obviously a fashion reason. I have no ethics. That's what I was confused about. I mean, if you showed up in your grandma's fucking fox stole, I would throw red paint on you, no cap, but I wouldn't want to do it. I have to. I'm kind of feeling inspired by this Travis Scott collaboration. What if we did a Tim Bits box? You know what I mean? But it was like hard plastic, like a purse. Or maybe we do President's Choice, the top-tier Canadian grocery store brand who I was getting all that canned nitro cold brew from in Montreal. Maybe we flip the President's Choice logo. You know what I'm saying? I haven't seen the logo, though. I assume that it is great, though. It's iconic if you're Canadian. I think it would really resonate with our listeners. Okay, I will look into that. And I think getting a cease and desist from a Canadian corporation sounds harmless. What is really going to happen? Yeah, what are those nerds going to do? Hey, sorry to bother you, Abe, but could you stop making this stuff with our logo? It's not really nice, you know what I mean? It's not great, eh? It's not great.

With the international shipping, for the actual letter to eventually arrive on our shores, we'll be like, bro, we stopped making that toque months ago. Where have you been? I'll burn. There's no more merchandise to burn. I lost that toque in Muskoka six months ago. It's old news, yeah? Well, Trudeau, I mean, Trudeau... If he bangs my line, I will answer, but I'm not going to get in bed with Big Canada. I want to keep it street level. Sure, sure, sure, sure. That's good. Power move. But another thing to think about, Jason, is certified lover boy is three words, and how long gone is also three words. So just something to think about from a design perspective is something to think about. We're planting seeds. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay. I mean, honestly, I feel like I have to instantly, fire up my photoshop and you do get because because the the juices are flowing this is what i do my adobe um suspended again i need to strike well i think we'll have to take you know jason i'm willing to take some cash from the how long gone kitty to cover your photoshop fees at this point it's not that it's more of like if if if you if you do enough bootlegs adobe will suspend your account much like uh you know posting titties on instagram it will will they cancel no i was about to say damn that would be bad for a lot of people out of business bro but there but there are memes that that were like if you if you create a very bad piece of graphic design on the internet people will hit you with a meme of like your Adobe Creative Cloud privileges have been revoked for the following 30 days. That's pretty funny. I haven't seen that. That's because I don't make anything myself. Damn, I think we have a lot to work with, Jason. We do, yeah. So yeah, bros and sisses up north, we will get you merch soon. I think it's winter up there already. And all joking aside, if you work with...

Tim Hortons, like, put us in touch. Yeah, if you think the Tim Hortons restaurant corporation is willing to make 75 snapback hats with two guys who don't live there, we'll plant that seed and we can send over a deck if they want to chat more. I was thinking bigger, Jason. I was thinking maybe we collaborate with Tim Hortons on the How Long Gone salad sauce. And make it a true... Because that's probably what Canadian people call salad dressing to begin with. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. And, you know, if anybody knows Lorne Michaels or any of those other famous Canadians, I would love to collaborate with... I would love to get Lorne on the horn for this one and see if our ideas are funny. It stinks. I want to talk to Marc Maron for two hours about Lorne Michaels. Chris, I heard your little podcast. It's terrible. What else do you have? Jason, wow, you're pretty good at Lorne Michaels. You've listened to a lot of Marc Maron, huh? Yeah, did I ever tell you the story about my... Yeah, was Lorne there? Yeah, he was there. I love Lorne. I would love Lorne to do... I want him to do a drop for this podcast. You're listening to the only motherfucking podcast that matters. It's so funny. The idea of Lorne Michaels doing a drop for this podcast is so funny. Look, Chris Farley. Look, Eddie. Eddie was Eddie. Damn. I didn't know Jason had his little imitation bag open today. Bro, I mean, I went through all five classes of UCB impersonations. Shut the fuck up. I fucking love this shit, bro. If you had gone to UCB, we wouldn't be friends anymore. So I'm glad that that's a joke. it is a joke thank god and there are a lot of podcasters out there who could use a little improv 101 if you ask me i agree i agree um tj we do have a guest today um liana liana satinstein who is a a um kind of you know just kind of a legend uh she she she is an absolute legend she's an absolute legend she's a she's a vogue you

has written a lot of stuff that i really like and also does she does the vogue weekly fat best fashion instagrams roundup um which which i'm a big fan of and that's where you can hopefully see me one day if this podcast goes well yeah i see a lot of her work on my dualipa google alerts it'll often pop up there You definitely do, but she also has her own small business called Schmata Shrink, where she kind of helps you not only declutter, but declutter emotionally and separate with clothing that you don't need. She's fashion-focused. It's not just clutter. It's about fashion-specific. She's also a Tom Ford for Gucci historian, so I know that's something you're particularly interested in getting into. Yeah, some people collect baseball cards. Some people collect model trains. i uh i'm tom ford for gucci so what year was that like what what time frame was was early early aughts so early aughts so it's it's sexy dressing which i know you're a fan of and i i think she's she told me before the podcast she has a d-pop for you to check out for plus size so you can maybe find something you know yes for my big kings a belly shirt in your size would be really cool i think you know for right now But anyway, she's also hardcore adjacent, which is always, you know, tickles my fancy. Yeah, I was alarmed to hear about the hardcore bands that she listens to while she runs who she was not even alive when these songs were coming out. So that did make me feel old. Well, Jason, you're 40 years old now and you can barely walk and you have no chest muscles. So it's something to think about. I can walk pretty well. I could run. I could jog all over the tennis court when I beat you game after game after game while you hobble and drag your lifeless bag of bones from one end of the court to the other, huffing, puffing, and wheezing like an old stubborn mule trying to make it down the Grand Canyon. I can't wait to blast a cig with you at a high-end hotel in just a couple hours. Yeah, baby. I'll do it while jogging in place. No problemo.

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They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, so do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world... writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative, but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools. So those future graduates can find me and, you know, I'm able to accept quote unquote donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new, you know, 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. Show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early. And we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional as your competition, if not more. So head to squarespace.com slash howlong for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code howlong to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. So we're coming to you live from a BlackBerry. It's really nice to hear from you. Um, are you in, are you in New York? Yeah, I'm here. I'm in my, um, my huge room. Where, what neighborhood are you located in? I'm in Bed-Stuy. I feel like is Bed-Stuy pretty mellow? Yeah. I mean, it's like pretty calm. There's like not so much going on. Are you left? But you haven't left at all. You've been like hunkered down, right? I was, well, no, I left for.

Okay, so I actually just came back about two days ago. I was back home in Massachusetts visiting my family. Yeah, which part of Massachusetts are we talking about? How close to Boston are you? I want to say like an hour and 15 minutes north. I'm on the border of New Hampshire. I can run to New Hampshire. Wow, cool facts. That sounds remote as hell to me. What you see in American movies, very suburban, except it's so weird. There's a lot of Trump stuff sort of going on there. Well, you know, that's... In suburban America? Are you crazy? When you leave New York, it's insane that there's so many Trump supporters. Jason is from Huntington Beach, California, which is a big Trump area. I'm from Georgia, which is obviously a big Trump area. So we all have that in common. You know what I mean? I think that that's like that's a theme on this program. Yeah, but none of us are as racist as somebody from Boston. That's a good point. Actually, Boston might be the word. Did you go to college in Boston or anything or did you leave immediately? Actually, no, I left as soon as I could. I actually went to school in Long Island at Hofstra. Wow. I mentioned to Jason that you have an interesting hardcore background. And now I realize if you're going from Boston to Long Island, you follow the core. It didn't follow you. I guess you could. Yeah, I guess you could say that. Why would you go to college in Long Island? Okay, so basically I was really horrible in high school. You seem like a bad girl. Like horrible grade-wise or like personality? I guess I had a pretty bad personality. I guess like behavior and also grade-wise I was pretty bad. Like my first few years. You're a fucked up chick. Sure. What were you doing in high school that was so bad? Were you partying?

Keep talking and you'll find out you fucking nerd. No, I guess I just, you know, I wanted to fit. I guess I wanted to fit in and like, you know, I was just a bad kid, I guess, you know, skipping class. I was smoking cigarettes, you know, doing everything I shouldn't do. I got in a fight, got suspended from high school for like, um, I think it was a week. Um, I wouldn't say, I feel like she beat mine actually more than I beat hers. But, um, Damn. Yeah, no, I was just a pretty bad kid for the first, I want to say, two years. And wait, where was I going with this? Why you ended up in Long Island. Oh. You're like, well, because I like to fight. No, but I just, like, I couldn't get into any, like, school, really. And this was the one that gave me the best sort of financial aid package. like accepted me actually was waitlisted. I shouldn't be saying all this. Why not? You're talking like, why'd you go to school in Long Island? Cause I have bad grades. Yeah. It sounds pretty bad now that I say it. Um, no, I mean they had like, they were close to the city, you know, obviously applied to NYU didn't get in. And I was like, okay, well like this is close to the city and they have like a decent communications program. I guess I'll do this. So. Well, you're talking to two high school dropouts, so you're still doing better than us. Actually, Jason, you finished, right, Jason? I did finish, and I did a couple months of community college. Thank you. Well, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to take away from your illustrious education, Jason. I apologize. That's fine. But Long Island, what era is this? Like mid-2000s? Yeah, I want to say, when did I go to school? 2006 no 2007 so when you said that you were you were a bad seed at a younger age do you know the reason why or have you have you figured or work your way through that as you've become an adult yeah i mean how am i supposed to i mean some of it's obviously like personal which you know no one on the pod really no one needs to know but um i think

you know it's just like fitting in you know i looked awkward like very flat-chested still am um but yeah i just sort of wanted to fit in i thought like this was the way to do it and you know i just had like a b i had like a issue with authority i guess is well we can we can relate on that I mean, I definitely... I listened to a lot of rage when I was younger. I didn't really get in trouble at school, though, because I didn't care enough to even participate, really. So I think that helped me not get... Because that's all your parents care about. If you're getting suspended from school, that's a problem. It was. It was! It was! Were you going to hardcore shows in high school in Boston? No. Okay. So background about that. I dated my high school boyfriend. Um, he was like really in, like, he was the one who was going to all of these shows. He was, you know, yeah, he was really into it since, you know, not the inception, obviously, cause it was from way before, but he was always really into it. But I would go to his shows and all of like the community shows that like the churches and like whatever, like random place they could rent out. So I would go with him like, um, throughout high school. Oh, so, okay. So you got into it through him. You weren't like a head head. No, I wasn't like, you wouldn't see me like moshing, um, or like a straight edge tattoo. Both of those things are your loss. Um, but I somehow, I, I somehow, and Jason as well, we, neither of us have straight edge tattoos, which is actually shocking that we avoided that. That's, that's good. I'm happy you both did that. It's really good. I don't know what would be worse. What would be worse? Me having a straight edge tattoo or me having a vegan tattoo? Vegan for sure. I think so too. I disagree. I disagree. Really? Because you can have a vegan tattoo where it's just like conceptual. It could just be like a bunch of like an assortment of vegetables and fruits and that can mean.

But like straight edge tattoo is a straight edge tattoo. And if it's like written in the star Wars font or something like that, you can go down a lot of dark paths. That's true. That's true. Did you, so as a, as a woman going to hardcore shows in high school, how awful was it for you? Or did you actually like it? Oh, it was pretty bad. Like I was not, um, I didn't. like i remember him playing like this music in the car and i was just like never into i was like why are you listening to these people screaming and then there was like different genres of the screaming like there was like all the like like i remember he would go from like you know like horse the band which like had like a very like video game sort of vibe and then he oh jesus yeah but then he would go to like have heart and then there was like bane and just like It just never made sense to me in high school. I was more like, you know, Rilo Kylie, you know, that whole... Yeah, but that's a classic relationship at that time, though, I think. hardcore bro with with girl who likes rilo kylie you know what i mean that kind of makes sense yeah that's that's called fire and ice yeah also also hearing you talk about hardcore literally sounds like my mom describing it to her friends oh god i'm embarrassed there's like screaming and i don't know i guess it's just like different kinds of screaming but i mean I mean, it's a hard thing to wrap your head around. It really is a tough thing to describe. I've tried to explain it to women in my life over the years, and they have no concept of it. If you grew up like a regular person, it doesn't make any sense to you when someone describes that to you. Same. Makes sense. So you work in the world of fashion writing. I wanted to see what you think about tie-dye presidential merchandise. Oh my God, that came out today. The whole Biden thing, right? Yes. Biden ceramics. I mean, I already, I put in my order already. So expect to see me at this like fashion week that no one is going to wearing tie-dye Biden merch.

I can't believe that tie dye is still going. And I, what can we do? Liana, what can we do to make it stop? Is there anything we can do? Oh my God. Yeah. How do we, how do we kill something that is already dead or died? I guess that was a bad one. Sorry. I mean, what am I supposed to, what am I supposed to, I don't know. I'm like the worst person to ask for that stuff. Cause I don't. How am I supposed to say? I don't really pay attention. I shouldn't be saying that as a fashion writer. No, that's cool. It's cool to not pay attention. Well, what are you paying attention to then? Actual fashion? Like real, not Joe Biden first? No, I don't know. I mean, I've been watching a lot of Law and Order during this period. So, I mean, that's what... That's where your head's at, fashion-wise? ...episodes last night, and I kind of forgot how hot the blonde DA is. Yeah, she's got Alex. I like her. Yeah, she's very much... Not her, it's later on. Oh, okay. She's got like a bob, almost. Yes, okay, I know that one. I don't know her name, but I know what she looks like. What is your favorite Law & Order time period? I think early, more of the earlier episodes, like maybe like season three, season four, just because, I mean, you know, I like Olivia Benson's look, very sleek. Does she wear like a lot of leather blazers then? I want to say that's like later on, like season six, season seven. But why do I equate her with leather blazers? I'm not wrong. No, you're not wrong at all. I did a, actually, I did a fashion, I did a story where I interviewed the costume designer for it, like, from the later seasons. But, like, when I was doing a lot of the, like, costume research and, like, what they were wearing, I mean, like, she's always in a leather blazer. Damn, what did the costume designer have to say? Was it, like, a lot deeper than you thought? Or was it, or did it meet your expectations? I mean, it wasn't as, I mean, I don't...

I don't know how deep you can go with Lawn Orr, but, like, they did say that, like, you know, she was wearing Prada pants on it, which I was surprised. I was like, I can't imagine, like... Wow, really? Yeah. I was like, I can't imagine a detective, you know, walking around New York in Prada pants. Yeah, me neither. But maybe... Only in New York or Milan. Yeah, maybe. But also, that feels a little... Milan SVU. It feels a little bit more like a post-RealReal Society maybe a detective would have on, you know, some Prada pants they got for, like, $100. But... Olivia, Olivia Benson and full price product is crazy. You can get blood on them. That's true. That's crazy. Yeah. I got my Prada's all bloody. I mean, do you, even now that we're living in a post a cab world, how do you, how do you justify watching law and order? Does it make you feel guilty? Yeah, actually I thought now that we want to do your friends down at the, at the precinct. fall into the police that need to be abolished i mean listen like i have someone actually did write an article about how olivia benson should be canceled i think it wasn't oh my god oh that's amazing no and i had to you know i did think about it i was you know with everything going on i mean maybe it is a form of propaganda and You know, who really knows? Because, you know, I would never watch Law & Order and be like, oh, man, I'm going to become a detective now and I'm going to save, like, New York. But, you know, there are people out there, as I learned, like, leaving New York City this past week, there are people out there who watch things and they are easily, you know, they get in. Yeah, easily influenced by that. But we don't watch Law & Order because we think cops are awesome. We watch it because. It's a perfect storyline that is wrapped up in 60 minutes, and there are a million of them. Yes, exactly. That's why I also watch it. I do not watch it because, yeah, like you said. You love cops. Well, I mean, I think that's the case with the military. That's all that shit. All this shit glorifies. I mean, that's why I had to stop watching Cops, my favorite show of all time. I've never watched that.

well you don't know what america's all about then because that's that's i mean i watched i've watched 100 hours of cops in my life probably chris maybe that's why you're such a fucked up person yeah it's very possible but i mean those shows all got canceled immediately that you know that all that shit got canceled like immediately yeah which is which is so interesting i i'm i'm just but i guess like if it's fictional they're not coming for the throat as much as they are if it's like based in reality in some way I mean, cops should have been canceled a long time ago. It is a fucked up, dystopian, terrible show to just see people's lives being ruined while you eat macaroni and cheese. Yeah, first of all, I don't eat dairy, but yeah, you know the vibe. Bro, they got cashew. All right, I wanted to talk to you because one half of this podcast is... leaning towards the balder side but you seem to have an interest and a fascination with uh with fellas who are lacking in the hair department first of all this is a shaved head this is not this is i don't i chose this life yeah yeah somebody i posted a picture or i posted a video on my instagram yesterday where i threw a tennis ball at chris's throat in slow motion oh i saw that and You saw it. I mean, it's been making waves, but there was a comment that I received that said, is this Logic, the hairless rapper? That's just me. That's actually true. That's cruel. I'm much better looking than Logic. You are, but... I don't know. I'm done with this podcast. Speaking of law and order, the jury's out, sweetie, but... But I've noticed that you seem to have a soft spot in your heart for the hairless men of America. And I wanted to, you know, dig a little bit deeper into that. I mean, listen, people lose their hair. I get it.

But I really I like when a man can sort of lean into it and just own it and just shave his whole head. And, you know, I think you've probably seen on my Twitter because you followed me today. Thanks for that, by the way. Hey, are you team follow back? Well, I think I followed you back out of courtesy. I don't know. I'm not. I'm not really good at Twitter. I mean, I've been like learning the ropes. Pretty fucking good, actually, from what I've seen. thanks i paid you to say that um did you get my venmo um yeah yeah no but look you've got beginners so you're saying that i should go full statham and just own this thing no 100 i find it so sexy when men are just like i'm bald and whatever who cares like i for example everyone makes fun of me but i love pitbull the rapper not the actual animal but um he is I mean, also look at, like, Tony Soprano, like, also extremely powerful, bald man. But, okay, try this on for size. This I've found to be the great equalizer. Where do you stand on Vin Diesel? Hot, very hot. Hot? Yes, he has, like, a very deep voice. He's very, you know, he owns it. He knows that he's bald. He probably shaved his head, like, when he was, like, came out of the womb. Like, that's how. I mean, he was probably already bald, but like, you know. Yeah, but I think a man needs to be more than just bald to get this pussy wet is what I'm saying. And I think that all he has going for him is his baldness. I don't think that he can really complete a sentence. Jason, he's got a lot of money. You're forgetting that. Yeah, I mean, you're forgetting that. He's like one of the largest money-making franchises. Yeah, bro, he's paid. Great, awesome. Donald Trump is also bald and rich. You want to fuck him too, Chris? Stop. Pitbull, you're saying he's hot objectively? I'm just trying to understand. You're personally attracted to Pitbull.

Yeah, but I think Pitbull rules. I'm with you on Pitbull. I mean, I think if you take away like, yes, Pitbull has a layer of, you know, corniness that we cannot deny. But if you take away that layer, for example, his whole music career, he is. Oh, the bull. Wow. He is. He is very. He is very sexy. I think he dresses well. He's very polished. The fella knows how to pop a collar. He wears no tie. I love a man who doesn't wear a tie when he dresses up. I think he has... Well, it's hot in Miami. He's hot. I don't know what else to... There's some sort of confidence. I think it's great. I think there is something to be said about owning it. I think that his particular brand of corniness is in line with that of a Guy Fieri. on the surface level you're like this fucking guy biggest douchebag in the world blah blah blah and then when you dig a little bit deeper maybe see some of his philanthropic efforts you know then you're like maybe this maybe this lovable douchebag is actually better than most people in the world right now it's interesting to think about that i i the guy the guy fieri like 180 the world has done is crazy to watch amazing pr But, that being said, Vin Diesel, I'll always hate that guy, and he knows why. Have you seen all of the movies? Wait, me? Both of you. It doesn't matter. Fuck no. Those are the worst movies of all time. I've never seen a single Fast and Furious franchise film. Good for you, Chris. I'm very proud. Is Pitbull number one, or are there younger hotties? No, I like them older. What about now? I want to talk about the rappers that you like that are truly unlistenable PNL. Oh my God. I love PNL. Also, um, a demo. I can't say his name correctly, whatever. He got arrested this past week in Paris, like at a cafe. Damn. What was he doing? He was being too hot. Yeah. No, I think it was people said, cause I actually asked on Twitter is like, can someone translate this video of like what's happening? And I also messaged Julian. Yeah.

to see what was happening because he obviously speaks French, our favorite street style photographer. Shout out to the guide at Blue Mode, my favorite Euro trash friend to spend time with on the scooter or the basketball court. Can you guys break down P&L for our listeners who might not be aware? Liana, go ahead. I have one anecdotal story, but I want you to give the full breakdown. No, it's just like two. Their father, their mother, I want to say is Algerian and their father is from Corsica and they grew up in, you know, a rough part of Paris. And basically I suspect that they, well, from what I've read, they're very secretive. They, you know, made their money doing illicit things in the neighborhood and not paid for their studio time. And then they sort of just. came onto the scene and blew up with this like auto-tune voice I mean honestly I wish I could say I knew what they were saying because I know everything has a deeper meaning but I don't speak French but I do like them and I do like their style music and fashion wise and yeah you're able to appreciate the bars even though you don't know what exactly they're saying that's the power of music when it hits you feel no pain yeah it brings people together yes exactly So, what do you think? There was that story that came out a few weeks ago about the rise of Albanian pop stars and the connection to money laundering for the mafia. Did you see that? No. Wait, but tell me... Wait, is our friend Dua Lipa involved? Yes, our friend Dua could be involved. But they're trying to find a through line between why are there so many of these pop stars that are becoming successful and famous in the last couple of years all from... Albanian production teams and everything. And they sort of tied it together that they were using that as money laundering for the Albanian mafia. And they would throw these fake concerts. They would book a Baby Rexha concert and say on paper that they sold 60,000 tickets, but it would be like 3,000. Wait, is Baby Rexha Albanian? Yeah, she is.

B.B. Rexon, I'm sorry. She's the feds, bro. She is an industry plant. No one's ever heard her music. No one knows her song. Well, it sounds like she's a mafia plant. That's cooler. I mean, at least Dua's got hit. Let me give you a P&L story because I saw them play in a Paris nightclub, and it was going the fuck off. Was it Fashion Week? Yeah, people were going fucking crazy. It was like an Apple Music. Actually, I went with Julian. It was like an Apple Music. um Virgil Abloh DJ set with a P&L live set so P&L plays French people are going absolutely fucking nuts Americans are all standing around on their phones and then Virgil gets on and literally plays like Chief Keef and it's like a full switch on the dance floor like all Americans go lose their minds and the French go use their phones it was insane like the the the complete divide in the in the fandom at that point but they're huge dude they're chasing they're like drake of france they're that big dick yeah yeah do they have i feel like they have bad tats is that is that correct like tattoos yeah No, I think they're tattoo-less. Believe me, I've looked at every single photo of those two brothers on the internet. So they're kind of like a male Dua Lipa in terms of their origin and their hotness and their success. I mean, if you think being of Algerian descent is near Albania, sure, they're like Dua Lipa. I was not talking about the country of origin specifically. Damn, God damn. That might be the worst you've been flamed on this podcast by someone other than me. It feels good. I mean, I get flamed a lot nowadays. Sorry, I'm feeling very sassy today. Yeah, what's going on? How many cold brews did you have this morning? Because you're being a freaking bitch. Yeah, what is your morning routine looking like? I feel like you're an early riser. Yeah, I mean...

I wake up, you know, whatever. Um, I go. This is the coolest morning routine so far. I wake up when, uh, whatever, I don't know. I guess I stopped sleeping and eyes open. Yeah. I like, and then I just, I go running, I guess. Oh yeah. You're a big runner. We should talk about, I forgot about this. You did, you did the marathon, right? I did. She's team. She's team Nike. Just like this podcast checks over stripes. Wow, I've never met a runner that wears Nikes. That's crazy. Do you wear the shoes with the plate in them? They ruin my legs. The what in them? The 4%. Do you run the 4%? Yeah, wait, I've worn them so much that there's like a hole in the toe and I'm still wearing them. But I can't buy another pair because they're sold out. I mean, did they change your life? Mm-hmm. for sure immediately or because i i wore them for like two or three runs and i was in so much pain i couldn't wear i i couldn't i had to replace them no when i felt when i wore them i was like yeah no you can feel it sort of propel you upwards i know it's crazy yeah they're the best shoe it really is crazy i mean but so what is your run looking like right now i mean i used to be doing like five and a half miles a day because i'd be running from bed stye to world trade center um You ran into the Vogue offices and showered at work? Yeah. So I would, I was, I was. That's cool. Very cool. But I mean, I like doing it because it's like the one thing that made me wake up in the morning and I wasn't like so depressed anymore. So it forced me to get out of bed and be somewhere on time. But now, you know, it's like sort of decreased because I don't have to be really anywhere. So, you know, it's like, you know, 5k to like, you know, four and a half miles maybe. Just around the hood. Just around the hood. What are you listening to while you're running? I mean, I listen to P&L a lot, and I actually listen to Burn. Burn? Yeah, I listen to Burn, and then the other... Burn the band? Yes, Jason, yes. Really? She contains multitudes.

Mamma mia. I was like, is this like a new podcast about true crime or something? But no, it was, it is the band burn. Okay, sorry. And then what is the other one? It's like Orange 90. Orange 9mm? Yeah, that one too. That one is actually probably like my more favorite one to run to. Wow. Damn, you're a real wild chick, I gotta say. I wouldn't go. I'm really, truly not. This is cool. This is very cool. There's four guys listening to this right now who are dead-ass jacking off to the fact that you're listening to these bands. I don't know if I... Not to be crass, I understand. I don't know if I know a single... I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say they listen to Burn since 1999. When I was born. Perfect. Oh, damn. No, I mean, I really like it. It's like the right amount of... Because some of the hardcore stuff is like... difficult to listen to in general but especially when you're but when you're running hard to get a rhythm going but he um um like the orange nine millimeter one like i mean it's like the perfect marriage of sort of like a decent melody and like being enraged so it's a great sort of thing yeah great description yeah i'm i'm i i've tried to listen to hardcore to like work out and i can do it maybe if i'm lifting weights if i want to listen to like converge but i can't what oh that's cool that's not cool for you no chris she wasn't she wasn't saying oh jesus to the music you're listening to is just the thought of you lifting weights also i mean Just made me say, oh, Jesus. Fuck you guys. You can start your own little podcast then. I'm down. Sign me up. Hey. Why don't you have a podcast? What is Vogue doing in the podcast sphere? Do I need to call Anna myself? We need to get something going. I mean, truthfully, I don't know. So I'm out of, you know.

Don't ask me anything about that. I know nothing. You know what? You're going to be a great podcast host, I can tell. Yeah, 100%. You're ready for the big leagues. You don't listen to any pods yourself, though, I'm assuming? How did I know that question was going to be asked? No comment. No, I really actually don't listen to any pods, to tell you the truth. Not even yours. Apologies. No, that's fine. It's not that strange. Many, many, many people do not listen to podcasts. I don't really listen to that many. I barely listen to them anymore myself. And all of the people that are guests on this show do not listen to this podcast either. I would be concerned if you did listen to it, I think, to be honest. I've been waiting for this day for my whole life. Exactly, exactly. Well, I mean, look, you are entering the hallowed halls of how long gone superstardom. I mean, the list is long and bountiful. Yeah, you're welcome. Sure, thank you. Thank you, guys. I can retire now. Damn, I think this is the most we've been insulted by a guest, and I kind of like it. I knew you had it in you, and that's part of the reason I was so excited to have you as a guest on this program. Because Jason and I are flying high, and we need to be put down in our fucking... be taken down a peg or two yeah you you were a bully in school and it looks like we're still kind of holding on to some of those bully like exactly i'm feeling i'm i'm gonna have to call my therapist right after this maybe we're not running enough you know i mean listen underneath it all i'm just a big teddy bear and a big bitch um i like the i like the duality of woman here um it's it's well are you so You know, a lot of people are having trouble getting dressed during these difficult times. But are you getting dressed every day or do you find yourself wilding out on your outfits? I mean, no, I mean, I OK, listen, if I have like a meeting where I have to show my face, unfortunately for everyone. Yeah, I do get dressed like, you know, I try to dress up and like, you know, look decent, whatever. But, you know, right now I'm just in I'm not.

I mean, it's also really hot in my house. And this is for a Zoom meeting or an IRL meeting? An IRL meeting with about 100 people with no masks on in very tight space. No, just for a Zoom meeting. Okay. Yeah, so even for that, I just try to dress up. And to be honest, it does make me feel better when I do actually put an effort into how I look. Does it make you write better? Yes, 100%. I should try that, actually. I need to put on a going out top to sit at my desk. Chris, you do try that. That is your whole vibe. You see me every day and I'm wearing the same fucking clothes for the last three months. Yeah, but they are nice clothes. I find it hard. Have you been shopping, though? You know, not really. I've actually been mostly cleaning out. Yeah, let's go ahead and plug your closet cleaning business. Tell us more about it. Great transition. Yeah, I know. I knew that was going to happen. I had planned it out. So yeah, no. So I basically run a, it's like a closet, like I'm like a closet therapist almost. So I just sort of talk people through a lot, you know, in New York, you have people with, you have people with a lot of things, small space. A lot of girls in fashion, a lot of dudes in fashion. So I sort of help them part with things because it's difficult when you're into clothes and there's like a sentimental, you know, history behind it or just a general history. You have like people who are crazy collectors. So I sort of, you know, help them and guide them through the process of paring back. And that's it. Is there a number of t-shirts that one man should own? Where do you think you would cap that? Men, according to me and my law, should only have a pack of five white Hanes t-shirts and that's it. Anything else is excessive and you should get rid of it immediately. I'm sick of this podcast. Does it have to be Hanes though? Sorry, what?

Does it have to be Hanes specifically or can maybe a Fruit of the Loom? Okay, Fruit of the Loom are Hanes. That's it. Nothing else, nothing. As long as it's like a blue-collar working man's tee. As long as it comes in a pack, then you're good. Well, I mean, look, I need your help, I think. This is a cry for help. So all graphic tees, chuck it in the bin is what we're saying. Say goodbye. My six are back. I don't wear any of them. It's just I like to have them. I mean, in that case, stop liking to have them. Wait, what? Sorry. What do I do? I was telling him to stop liking to have them. Yeah, that's all you have. It's very simple. That's all you have to do. Yeah. So you're asking what you should do? yeah like what should i do to get rid of all this this fire stuff that i have that i'll never wear but i don't want to sell like what why am i sounds like you have to hire okay i'll return that venmo five dollars you sent me and you can organize you can organize my closet no but i i'm i honestly i do have a little bit of a problem here and i think it would be good to have your insight because i love your videos i've watched this watch this process and they're they're great they're really fun but i'm glad one person's watching them Well, it's like, I mean, for a guy who likes clothes, it's like two women talking about clothes is about as good as it's going to get for me. That's his Joe Rogan. Yeah, exactly. What am I going to do? What am I supposed to do? Do I just have to push myself out of the comfort zone? I think what I tell people to do is you have to take a day to sort of do it. Or you can really just start small. So, you know, you could just take a stack and then you just sort of go through the motions of, okay, when's the last time I wore it? Why am I keeping it if I haven't worn it in like, you know, several months, several years? And then you sort of analyze like the emotion behind that. And then from there, you always know the answer to whether you should keep something or not. You ultimately know. It's true, but it's so true.

So you're setting the Supreme from 2007 new with tags that I should get rid of that. Yes. And please, anything with tags, like you really, I mean, that should be your sort of, unless you just bought it like the day before, like that should be your red flag moment. Yeah, that's a good point. I agree with you. What are you specifically bringing to the table that I can't get from, say, a Marie Kondo? So the thing is like. Marie Kondo, I mean, she works very well for, like, general things. I mean, she created a whole sprawling industry. I mean, I'm basically very fashion-focused in the sense that, like, I have a fashion background. I understand how hard it is to part with, you know, certain types of clothes because I am a collector. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. We know you really be dressing, but what kind of – what is your collection? What is your focus? If mine is T-shirts, what is yours? I mean, Tom Ford, Eric Gucci is my, like, it's my total week's boss, my Achilles heel. That is what I collect. And that is what I stay up late when I'm not crying about the state of my life. That's what I stay up late doing and looking for on the internet. So what would you, cause those. So you are an online shop. I would consider those clothes to be like sexy clothes. Would you agree with that? Oh, yeah. That's like the height of like sexy dressing in that era. yeah no 100 i feel like he completely it was that's when he snapped he snapped when he when he he snapped on that collection collection yeah what i would say oh is it no is it but is it that expensive or is it pretty affordable at this point i mean you have i mean right now because He's, you know, first off the Kardashians wore it and the Jenners wore it a few years ago, which caused like a huge spike in prices. And then also Miley Cyrus recently wore a very rare piece. I was actually looking on, I was, it was favorited on my Etsy or whatever. And it was like pretty, it was like, you know, like 400 something dollars. And I was like, it was on my wishlist. I don't think I'd ever buy it because.

It's just out of my range. Is it like unwearable though? Or is it actually something you could wear? It's something I could wear, but it would have to be going out. And basically after Miley Cyrus wore that same exact piece, it's like snakeskin sequined. No, it's beaded. Snakeskin print, sorry. The price jumped over like $1,400. So it's like these celebrities, they have a huge effect on the vintage in the archive market. No, they do. That's what happened with the contacts cameras, too. Like, Frank Ocean carried one, and then the Jenners used one, and then it triples in price, like, the next week. That's fucking bullshit. It's fucking bullshit. So there's a lot of this Tom Ford for Gucci to be had. It just, like, depends on how bad you want it. Yeah, and also, I mean, I'm pretty good at searching for things at this point. So, I mean, I can find something pretty affordable. Are you an eBay stan? Oh, my God. Yeah. Actually, I grew up on eBay because my mother was – she's a professional eBayer. She started – Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're burying the lead. This is cool as hell. Is she flipping Beanie Baby? No. So, actually, I was around. I do remember that whole entire Beanie Baby thing because I was with her at – like flea markets and stuff and you would have dealers who would specifically deal beanie babies like that was their thing i remember like the princess die one was like that was a big one yeah my sister had a pretty serious collection so it was a big thing my mom was off a bean at a certain point it was an issue that's pretty funny so you're what was your mom selling specifically Um, so she was so she started selling antiques. So I mean, when she first started, it was like a lot of furniture, just anything that you could really find that was, you know, an antique and, but once the economy sort of taint, she had to, I guess, what is the word pivot? So now she does mostly jewelry. Yeah, I just grew up. Like high-end, fine jewelry? Like what are we, diamonds? Yeah, I mean like high-end jewelry. So she's very, I mean she's. It's probably a hell of a lot easier to ship than vintage furniture. Yeah, you can actually, yeah, not a high priority box. That's very cool. And like how much work was this? Was this a lot of work?

Oh, my God. Yeah. And she's still doing it. So, I mean, every single day she is, you know, driving to, you know, meeting someone on Craigslist. It's actually kind of in like a parking lot at like some Shaw's, you know, it's like she's. Is it safe to say that she's addicted to the hustle? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think. Yeah, I have to say she's she's a very hard worker and she's very, very smart. And she's making making some serious coin doing this or some good enough coin. Yeah, I think it's hard right now, to be honest with. covid i mean obviously for everyone but she does a lot of in-person stuff so it's been a lot more difficult and she gets a little nervous about um you know meeting people in person naturally well luckily this is a super spreader podcast so we don't get worried about that um but so tell you tell your mom to check in with us and we'll get her we'll get her mind get her mind right yeah do you want to do you want to give uh do you want to plug her ebay store give a shout out no not i Not in the slightest, not at all whatsoever. No, I am trying to help her out with like marketing to new audiences. I was talking to her about it because I was like, you have some amazing things that girls in New York would, you know, love. But, you know, it's slow. So I'm going to try to put that on my new and improved Shmata Instagram, which I'm hopefully like relaunching next week. I want to say next Monday. Wow, a full brand refresh for the small business? Yeah, I'm just sort of going to put up more content, more videos, and more of what I'm doing. I feel like the user experience is going to be fucking sick. Exactly, yeah. So your mom doesn't think you're insane for copying all of these clothes on Etsy. She understands. She, in fact, gave you that itch, probably. Yeah, I mean, she was always very well dressed. She has a great eye. Also, she's, you know, very tiny. So we'd go to, I guess, like Marshall's and like TJ Maxx and she'd always find these very tiny, like almost like sample size pieces that no one else could really wear. So she would just buy them and be like retail would be, you know, insane. Does she care about designer and designer names and shit? Or does she just like what she likes and finds it?

Um, I'd say it's a mix. I want to say when she was younger, she was probably more into labels, but you know, not because of the name, but because of the quality. Now, I mean, she was wearing, when I came back home, she picked me up in this. sick black rib tank top that had Jamaica in rhinestones written on it. And she was like, oh, I got this at Savers when they first opened. And it's like the sickest t-shirt, I mean, tank I've ever seen. Damn, that's fire. Damn, I forgot about Savers. I used to really come up. I'm not familiar with Savers, actually. What is that? It's like a Goodwill almost. Okay. That's how I describe it. Just a regional Goodwill. We don't have that in the South, I don't think. I've never seen, I've never heard that before. Damn. Sounds like you need to get saved. Shut up. God damn it. Um, I, I also wanted to ask about you do, you do the, the fashion Instagrams of the week. Um, the best fashion Instagram is the week. And I think Jason, I would like to know how we could make it into that list. Like, what do you think we could do to really like nudge ourselves to the top of the line? I have the answer to this. We need to start dating. Jason, you could, you could dress like on war. I feel like pretty easily. Anwar and I have literal interchangeable clothes. I like how he dresses. I think he's... I like it. No, come on. No. He's... What about my man? What about my man, Fi? Excuse me? Wait, what? What's his name? What's his last name, Chris? I don't know. He's that boy, Fi. You know who he is. He's like a friend of the gender. He's like the hot friend of all the genders. He's Simi Hayes' brother. Okay, wait. Yeah, I know who this is. He's looking good and he's getting these fits off. He wears a hat. I remember I think of him as a hat guy. He wears a wide brim hat. He's got a sick body. I'm more of a Zach Bia guy, but Jason's more of a fi guy. Okay. Come on. They're not even in the same category, Doc. I disagree. One person is a boy and one is a man.

And neither of them, one is a boy, one is a man, they're both professional DJs, and neither of them can DJ. But have you seen those, Liana, did you see the limited edition Mercedes Benz driving gloves Virgil sent out for the release of the G-Wagon today? Oh, no. Am I supposed to? No, no, no, no. No, but I just, I really want a pair because I think having gloves like that is funny. But my point is, Zach Bia got a pair. Fi did not get a pair. So that shows you the ranking to me. Oh, damn. Wait, I wonder if Julian got a pair. He, like, posted some stuff today with... He definitely got a pair. I love... You could have Julian on the pod. Like, I would convert... The problem is sometimes the accent... I'm afraid that the accent could be tough. Lost in translation. For real? Sometimes. When you're doing audio and you're not seeing each other, it can be hard. I know it sounds crazy and his accent isn't that insane or anything, but I feel like it could be. Chris likes to kind of stick to Americans. That is not true. It's kind of his vibe, whereas I like sampling all the flavors and cultures. Oh, yeah, yeah. International Jason who's getting two countries confused five minutes ago. No, I mean, you could do a video one where we just look at Julian and his face. wow i i'm sensing i'm sensing this relationship i think that's called is going that's called yeah i think i think i'm sensing that this relationship you want to take it from more than an interview interviewee to something a little more romantic am i wrong no i mean i i love julian like a brother i mean girls always say that and you're like oh what do you you're like that's not true but no i actually do like julian would you hold on would you date a guy with a dangly ring oh my god we call it actually my friend and i we call it the dangle we call it like, does Julian still have his dangle in? Like that's what we refer to it as. Um, I see when you say that I get confused because Jason and I talk about the dongle a lot when it comes to podcasting, you know, cause we have to have different equipment, but tell me more. So you're down with that. Okay. Cause it's Julian and I know him and I know he could like protect me in any situation. Like I'm totally okay with him wearing a day. Jason doesn't even know who we're talking about and he can tell you're in love.

What do you mean by he can protect you in any situation? You're saying that despite him having a dangle, he could still kick people's asses? I'm going to get in trouble now. Yes, having an earring does not make you any less of a man or whatever. I just think... Yeah, but we're not talking about an earring. We're talking about a motherfucking dangle. It's a big-ass cross, too, Jason. I think with a dangle, it's either this person... cannot protect me or this person will be able to protect me against anyone. It's sort of feast or famine. There is no middle ground. You can either kill somebody easily with your hands or you are a little bit of a soft. Good point. But I feel like, I feel like you're, I mean, you know, Jason and I are, you know, we're not really rough around the edges. We're pretty refined guys, but if you want somebody a little tougher, I see the appeal. Yeah. I just, you know, I think he's like a common collected dude, but I know he like, I know. Oh yeah. He ever happened. He would absolutely stab somebody. I agree 100%. I'm always looking for guys who are ready to pop off in any moment, so I get that. Jason, do you keep any guys that are willing to pop off in your circle? Yes, I do. Who would they be? Because it's not me. My friend Dan, who is a small Korean Brazilian jiu-jitsu master, can easily dismantle anyone around me, any shape or size. And he is very common. That's true, actually. That's a good point. I need more guys like that in my circle. Yeah, you do, because I think it's any day now before somebody puts a little 10-piece on you. So if you don't listen to this podcast... What have you heard about the podcast? What are the streets saying? I asked my friend about it, actually, who's very into the world of podcasts, I guess. And she was like, listen, she's like, they're one of the nicer. They're nice to their guests. She's like, they're not going to ask you anything that's going to make you feel uncomfortable or they're pretty with it. So that's what I've heard.

Wow. It's weird to think that there are not nice podcasts. Who is out there asking not nice questions to your guest who is nice enough to come on? This is not a gotcha opportunity for us. This is an opportunity to link and build with people from different places. I'm glad that's our reputation. It's nice to hear that. It does make me feel good. Do I know this person? No, but she says that she knows you. Well, you don't know her. You don't know each other. But she says that when she goes out on dates with men who are in the fashion adjacent world, that they are like, oh, yeah, you know Chris Black? I worked out with Chris Black. They like drop your name. I'm dead serious. This is what she told me. Every guy I've gone on a date with. keeps talking about how they worked out with Chris. That's cool that she goes out with gay guys. Cause I thought it was just me, but that's cool. I guess it is a, it is a New York, uh, rite of passage to, to work out, to hit the dog pound with Chris. If we're hitting dog pound, you know, Chris is in the cut. It's a scary sight flipping that tire over. That's an incredible, that's an incredible, that's an incredible thing for someone to say. Flipping the tire of the elliptical machine. Exactly. That's a really insane thing for someone to say, but I think I like it. I mean, you're pretty popular. It feels factual, though, also. But I don't know. I don't work out. I work out alone, mostly, unless it's with Jason. So I'm wondering who these guys are. Maybe they're just using your name to get ahead in the dating game. I don't know. I think they are. I'm going to have to call in my shooters. You can't let my name out of your mouth without some repercussions if it ain't true. Fellas, if you're one of these single hotties in question, please hit us. If you've been using my name and saying that we've pumped iron together to get chicks, I'm not going to stand for it. That's good.

Damn. Nope. Are you trying to get more popular or less popular? Me? Or Chris? Both. Definitely both. Well, Leanna, go ahead. Me? I don't know. Are you happy with your current level of popularity? I don't even think I'm that. Whatever. I mean, I'm just happy with how I'm doing things now. I mean, I just, I don't know. I don't really. We need to be looking forward, though. And also inward. Also, I'm always trying to be more popular because that lines my pockets with hard, cold, hard cash. You know, if this podcast gets more popular, we make more money. So therefore, I have to be focused on that to some extent. Yes, yes, yes. And I'm seeing both of you guys go down two different roads, it seems like, with those replies. Maybe each of you could take a page out of each other's book. Oh, good point, Jason. I think that's true. I love to learn from others. I think, though, I think, Liana, I feel like you, with this relaunch of your small business, maybe you do need some popularity to get these closets organized. Yeah, I mean, I think like... I'm just trying to focus on the hashtag content and then, you know, whatever comes from that, it'll be totally groovy. So like maybe, so should we, should we shoot, should we try to introduce you to some big celebs that you can organize their closets? Oh my God, please. Jason knows Diplo, Steve Aoki and Bloody Beetroots. So pick which one you want. I kind of... Those are just some of the EDM celebs I know. I have a lot of other celeb friends in different areas. I would love... Oh, sorry. Sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no. I mean, I was just going to say I would love to do Diplo. I think he's also a very stylish, attractive man who's very sure of himself. Mm-hmm. Just like Chris. He's a lot hotter than me. More money, more muscle. But I'm sure he has a closet full of stuff that is all given to him for free over the years. And he could really use a clean yuppie. That's actually a great candidate for you. No joking. I feel like guys like that really do get too much stuff. So it would be fun for you to go through and see all his designer wares.

I mean, at a certain point, if you're somebody like that, you are literally receiving so many free items of clothing that it becomes a burden on your life, even though it seems impossible to put yourself in that mindset. It's true. I mean, it's true. That's exactly why I need a closet cleanup. What item of clothing is usually the hardest for people to get rid of? I want to say... Honestly, it varies from... Is it the furs? It's the furs, isn't it? The furs. We don't get rid of furs. My grandma stole a stang in my closet, sweetie. Do not get it twisted. No, I mean, what do people have a hard time getting rid of? It's not necessarily what they have a hard time getting rid of. It's just things that accumulate. So, you know, you see a lot of like outerwear and then people get tricky with outerwear because it's usually more expensive or... You know, something like that. That's a good point. And then, you know, I see a lot of jeans. People love to sort of collect jeans, and that's something else that really, you know, takes up a lot of real estate in the wardrobe area. Well, the jeans tell a story. Yeah, I don't know what the whiskers are looking like on your jeans, but mine definitely tell a story. The whiskers? Yeah, Jason, you weren't there in 1999 when I was buying fucking APC jeans. You were still wearing JNCOs. Zing. No zing. You earn your rips? Hell yeah. No, I would never buy. Jason would buy his rips. Jason's wearing Amiri's right now. You just can't see him. He's wearing skinny Amiri's with the YSL brunch boots right now. Why rip them myself when I can pay somebody to rip them for me? That's a good point. I live in Glendale after all. Good point, Jason. Actually, I never thought about it that way. We're talking about manual labor. I'm trying to avoid it at all costs. So if I have to pay $1,000 for the denim, that's fine. You know what I mean? That's fine. Okay, guys. It's been a pleasure. How would you rate your experience on this podcast? Oh, wow. I was having so much fun. All this time flew by. On a scale of 1 to 10, how sarcastic was that?

69. No, I don't know. Go ahead and rate us 1 to 10, please. I would give it an 11. It would exceed my expectations. Wow. We're nice. We're friendly. It's really the best podcast to come on if you're looking for a good time. And honestly, you have inspired me to clean out these motherfucking calls. Oh, sorry. I will not have you do it. But I will. No, my life partner will thank you for this. When I'm back in New York in 2021 and we can have the full camera crew over, then we can do mine. Let's do it. Let's do it for my relaunch. I would love to help you with your relaunch. I think that a lot of my fans would love to see all the t-shirts with tags on them that you make me throw away. Yeah. You could donate them. All right. Sure, I'll donate them to Grailed and get the money back. I like how that works. Chris only sells or throws away. That's not true. Donate trash bags of clothes to men's shelters. It feels good to throw clothes away, though. In a bad way. The way Liana suggested you only wear the white t-shirts, the five-pack, I wear them once and throw them away. I thought that's what you meant. That's right. Damn dash styles. Okay. Still has the little wrinkles on. Tell them where they can find you on the internet. Like my Instagram handles? Yeah. Oh my God. Sorry. Your LinkedIn. Don't go to that. It's Liana, L-I-A-N-A underscore Ava, A-V-A. And then, oh, my. whatever that one doesn't count but like my schmata handle is schmata people aren't gonna know how to look that up schmata shrink just write it schmata shrink what does schmata mean it means rag in yiddish god i love that schmata shrink that works i like it's a very catchy name i think it's gonna i think you're gonna go i think you're going places thank you we hope to um spread the word and if you are in new york and you and the and the schmatas are looking bad

She will come. And we didn't talk about your writing that much. You're a brilliant writer. I love reading your stuff. So people can seek that out, you know, on the internet. It's not hard to find that. Well, the Venmo will be hitting your account in about, you know, three seconds. No, I wouldn't even. I don't take, you know, I know people think I'm on the take, but not when it comes to arts. I would never. I'm merely a patron. I would never take money. Yeah, Leon, just keep on riding and Chris will be happy. That's all we got. Exactly. That's all I need. All right. Thank you. We'll talk to you soon. Okay. Bye, guys. Bye. Bye.