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Hello. There he is, Big TJ. What's really Gucci? Damn, just setting up the podcast equipment. Getting ready to pod. Didn't have time to shower after a workout. It's tough. I love that. I actually was outside, had a few work calls. It's actually sunny. I got a little tan, I think. Sunday work call, huh? Baby, we don't stop on this side. I don't know about you. And you got a little sun in snowy Montreal. Wow, what's up with that? Well, it's May now, so hopefully God intervenes and gives me some much-needed vitamin D. You know what I'm saying? I do. Well, I'm glad that the nature is finally healing over there in Canada. I know. It took some time. Maybe the nature didn't need as much healing here. Fuck. Chew on that for a minute, cowboy. Exactly. It really makes you think, dumbass. We were talking on Twitter about saving it for the pod. What was your tweet, your quote that you had? Oh, no. There's a picture of people in a park. The one in West Village. Yeah, but apparently it's not. I don't know. It's Christopher Street. But people were just going nuts. Tattletail Twitter was having a fucking heyday. Tattletale Twitter is... Well, look, people are doing the wrong thing, but tagging the governor and the NYPD on the internet is not going to make a difference. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. They're going to be like, whoa, we had a park there? Damn, thanks for letting us know. Yeah, I don't think blowing up at Governor Cuomo is really going to make a big difference, you fucking nerds. You know, these people, they don't know what else to do. But I read that people are getting... money for snitching though yeah probably they're getting or maybe it's only in california but i read that they're getting rewards if you if you snitch let me let me you know i've thought about it to a phrase that i love and i say if you see something say something else you know what i'm saying

We ain't Chris Black done to death projects. We ain't no snitches. We don't fuck with 12. We don't fuck with the feds. I don't give a fuck. Even if even for an enemy, would you ever would you ever snitch on an enemy? No, we don't. No, we don't call. We don't involve the police unless unless there's a murder or something. I like I would never. Especially if there's a murder. I don't involve the police. I'll call 3-1-1 and do a noise complaint. No cap, but I will not call 9-1-1. And report a crime. I mean, come on, man. We are fuck 12 on this side. I know you are too, TJ. I am fuck 12. I mean, we were raised right. We were raised right. Yeah, I mean, I was raised as a young Orange County teen to be pretty cool with the police because they're pretty cool with me, a white person. Yeah, good point. I mean, I was always F-12, but I was always, like, better to just, you know, kiss their ass and then get it over with and move on without going to jail than to, you know. No, I agree with that. But I'm saying, like, I'm not going to involve, I'm not going to be a snitch or involve the police. If I get pulled over, I'm not going to be like, fuck 12 and skirt off in my Porsche. I'm going to fucking be like, oh, officer, what do you mean I was going too fast? It couldn't have been me. What if you felt your life was in danger? Maybe. I mean, what I understand is if you're not from the streets, you don't have to abide by the street code. So in theory, if somebody tries to cut me or something, you know, maybe. From my gatherings, if one does not abide by the code of the streets. Well, that's what they say, right? Yeah, that's true. I just think all this snitching is crazy because the reality is, and this is for better or worse, and in this case worse, people are going to do whatever the fuck they want to do. That's the world we live in. They are. And their only weapon is shaming at this point. It's public shaming. And the public shaming is some cloud chasing going on. People want the likes. They want the virality of a tweet. Who is the joke on? Is your life that?

It's uneventful that the biggest thing that you're doing today is tweeting a pic of people in a park because you're frustrated about the fact that you are not allowed to do that either. Exactly. The argument is not, are they doing something wrong? The argument is, what good is it clogging the feed with unimportant information? And unimportant information is fine if it's funny. Let me make a caveat. If it's not funny. If it's politicized, we don't want it. That's boring. But I just find it all to be a little bit unnecessary. And I saw somebody else, this person I follow on Twitter who's like a fashion writer, like narking on a local bar directly. And like, it's just like, what do you think? I mean, I understand they're doing something wrong, but what do you think? Tweeting about it makes you feel better. It doesn't actually fix anything. That's the issue. No problem has ever been solved on Twitter. I can say that for 100% fact. You would know more than anyone. I've created more problems for myself than solve problems for sure. One billion percent, and that's okay. Yeah, people have been coming at my neck a little bit lately because of all these idle hands. Are you really feeling that? A hundred percent, yeah, yeah. There's way more reply guys and word searchers than there ever has been before. I mean, do you think... I mean, I think they always come for you because you always have a strong opinion, so they feel as if you are able to speak openly and freely about these opinions of yours, that they are allowed to do the same back to you. Which they are. Which they are, but... I guess I sort of forgot my point, but... Well, the point is, if you've got 12 followers and you're coming for me, you ain't really... What good is that going to do to me? Well, sorry, my point was, do you think... they are coming at you with their opinions and hot takes back to you because yours have been also getting hotter because of the quarantine? Have your takes become spicier subconsciously or not? Good point, Jason. I think they probably have. Well, I think there's just more issues. The issues that are most prevalent are spicy by nature. So therefore, any take on them is spicy too.

Right, right, right. There are more beans to roast, as it were. 100%. Exactly. But, I mean, some guy last week came at me about some shit, and I responded to him making fun of his screen name, and I checked later, and he fucking had screenshot that and made it his Twitter profile picture. And I was like, oh, these motherfuckers are really coming for clout. Well, I think, yeah, they're baiting you. for a response, and then they can say, Chris Black replied to me November 14th, 2020. Exactly. Justin Bieber retweeted me. But, I mean, that is a sign of growth and success as a Twitter influencer personality. If people are doing that, then you have made it. I agree, but it also makes me feel stupid because I should be above it like a true celebrity and not respond to anyone that doesn't have a blue check. So I'm trying to, you know. No, but I mean, people, I think that's how you sort of get ahead is, you know, you don't reply to everyone, but something catches your eye and you have to remind the public that nobody is above getting a stern talking to, you know, or just a happy reply. If you said something cool and funny, I'll let you know. Same. Yeah, it's the Chrissy Teigen school of Twitter. I was just going to use her as an example. As much as I loathe her, she's really good at the occasional flame on a nobody. Yeah, and people need to be checked and people love to see it. And if you get flamed by a celeb, then you're like, damn, that was kind of sick. The only celeb I've been flamed by is Michael Rapaport. He's only a celebrity in New York. But it wasn't really a flame. It was more of like, hey, freaking say that to my face, Jack, and I'll come smack you. Or it was like something like that, you know? I used to really like his podcast and then something happened where he just became completely insufferable to me. Like, I hate him now. I don't know what it is, but I also...

I share a deep displeasure of, of Michael Rappaport. When he was like a, when he was like a relatively funny, like New York character that was like in everything as like a bit part, that's like a cool life to have. And then he honestly overexposed himself, but he probably had to, to make money. You know what I mean? To keep it going. It's probably like a great, I mean, his podcast is big, but he makes money. Yeah. I mean, good for him that he's able to make some, some. Yeah, for sure. And he's on Netflix's Atypical, the show about autism. He plays a dad. I mean, I think he'll work forever, you know what I mean, as an actor, just because he's been doing it long enough. I fucking hope not. Well, you know, you can't win them all, TJ. I curse your name. Speaking of people who I don't want to work, our guest today, no, I'm kidding. Our guest today, Lawrence Schlossman, a.k.a. Sartorially Inclined, the co-founder and co-host of the throwing fits podcast uh formerly known as failing upwards um they have a very popular show with young white males that use reddit and um they also have but they have pretty good guests and they have a patreon that is booming which i like to talk about because it's actually interesting how well it works um when you find a hyper niche to lock into, you know? It is, it is. Yeah, no longer do you need 10,000 fans. You know, you just need, you know, maybe a thousand very, very dedicated fans. Yeah, who can, dedicated fans who can take a week off of buying Bape and Supreme and, you know, give you that money. It's fire, you know? But let me bang Larry's line. Please do. All right. All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable, and they're just easy but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated.

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at work so i was like oh yeah i want to like participate and like bro down with the home team build again yes exactly so now it's just on my computer and when i get really really high i just i just game i tap into the matrix that's it are you are you chief and hella hard during this quarantine oh yeah yes yes i've been um i believe the term is self-medicating i've been getting really faded guys i'm gonna be honest so what is your what is your method of ingestion So, listen, and Chris Black is going to moan and groan for the first of 1,000 times, but I vape him because here's the deal, Jason. The ritual is not important to me. I don't care. That's because you're not a real drug addict, losers. That's what I'm saying. Bro, Chris, as a real drug addict. Yeah, like, all I care about is what's on the other side of the effect, bro. I don't care how I get there. I want that feeling. I'm chasing that dragon, dude. I gotta say, Larry, you sound like Alex Jones right now when you're talking about it in the core, and I love it. Me too. You have AJ energy, no Sopranos. Listen, bro, as the Alex Jones of menswear, just mainly Prince. A bozo, a bozo type figure. This is, listen, man, this is music to my ears. That's why you booked me. Because you know you're going to get it. That's all. Wait, wait, really quick. Are you on your Wi-Fi, Lawrence? I am on my Wi-Fi. Does it sound bad? No, it's going a little – it was getting a little kind of choppy in and out where your voice would speed up and slow down a little bit, which is a little wacky. I'm sure you're not doing anything wrong over there, and hopefully it will just go away. Yeah, I don't need to do myself any favors in the speeding up and sounding wacky category. So let me know if it's getting unlistenable because I respect the sanctity of the work that we do as professional podcasters. But I'm in my bedroom, a.k.a. my home office is probably a better way to present that. So you're vaping like crazy. Are we talking all day vapage? Yes.

So you're just gone off the cloud all day. The plot was sufficiently lost years ago. You know, I don't even know what point. It's a cycle of self-medication and self-destruction. And it's what works for me, right? You just got to find out what works for you. Are you having spicy margs like after sundown or like a natty wine? No, but that's so... But that's so funny. No, my wife is actually making, she's infusing tequila right now for Spice Smargs. That's really embarrassing that you said that because that's literally what's happening. And then also, obviously, we could do the whole Natty Wine thing. I'm not a Natty Wine nerd. I like getting fucked up in a variety of different ways off $20 bottles of juice. I like that. I don't know anything about them, but it's a lot of different things. But the Natty Wine has been a newfound splurge. Are you exercising at all? I know the answer is no. No, no, no, no, absolutely not. And you haven't gotten a haircut either? No. Well, so the hair thing, so I wanted to talk to you guys about grooming because I wanted to get your opinion on something that's unrelated to my hair because here's the deal, right? I'm balding and I'm going to use this time, I'm using this time rather as a way to just let it grow to a length it's never been and see if I can hit mid-range Nicholson. And if I can, I'm going to do that. And if I can't, then I might abandon ship. So this is the final showdown for me. Does abandon ship mean like suicide or what is that? Well, I mean, I think it would depend on what else is going on in my life at the time, but probably a buzz. So when you say mid-range Nicholson, that's like... Hair's looking good until you get on a boat or in like a wet or a windy situation. And then you can kind of see the comb over going on and then it's kind of a wash. Yeah, that's tough for me because everything I do is either wet or windy. You're a nautical cat. You're a nautical cat. I'm an aquatic creature by nature. No, when I say mid-range Nicholson, I mean like, I meant like, yeah, you know, when he's in his...

And this is embarrassing because I'm actually only 33. So, you know, take this is this whole this whole thing is depressing. So if anyone wants to tune out now, feel better about themselves, I understand. But yeah, I just let it grow like long, but it's definitely received like crazy. Like that's just the that's just the truth of the situation. I can be real with myself. The menswear game will will aid you quickly. Yeah. Oh, here's what I wanted to ask you guys. What do you think about me dying my beard? Is that crazy? Lawrence, what the fuck are you talking about? What blonde, like bleaching it? No, no. Listen, I don't know how closely you paid attention to my facial hair, either guys, when you've ever seen me in person, but it's very, there's a lot of different colors. It's weird. I know what you mean. Yeah, that happens to all of us, I think. You think so? Not all of us. I thought mine's particularly bad. Oh, okay. No, it happens to me, but I mean like... I'm self-conscious. Well, I'm a bit self-conscious about it, so I'm like, yo, maybe I'll take this time to just ferment the whole thing, like a shade uniformly that matches my hair. So for me, some type of like darker blonde, but I know I'm going to look crazy. I'm going to look totally different. And if I can do like Zoom podcasting and shit, I don't want to look like... a psycho, but I want to try it out. Once, once you, once you do it, you kind of are stuck for the rest of your life doing a just for men once a month. You're going to have to subscribe on Amazon. My buddy did it in high school. My buddy Garrett did it in high school and we made fun of him. We made fun of him forever and we still do. I mean, he did it so that he could buy us booze underage because he looked, he was the tallest and he had the most full beard at, you know, by sophomore year of high school. But like, you know, I don't want to. I want to use that example as what I don't want to be. I want to be a clown, but maybe I have no choice. I don't know. I'll keep you posted. You definitely don't have a choice with being a clown, but I wouldn't do that. I think men, luckily, and of course unfairly, aging is rewarded a little bit more with our sex.

So like having a salt and pepper beard or a discoloration, even a little receding hairline is kind of okay. I don't think we're not running the same race as women. Like a fine orange wine, we will get better with age. Yeah, I'm going to take advantage of a double standard as much as the next cis straight male white guy for sure. Don't get me wrong, Chris. But like I just don't want to have all these things kind of happening to me at once. I probably should offset. Maybe I should start doing some exercising. Kind of pull the Chris Black root. The fact that you don't exercise is insane to me. Why? Because you're so lit all the time. You need to get the steam off, bro. That's why I podcast, baby. That's why I'm here with you guys. Unfortunately, it is a release. It's not the same release. It's not. Larry, is podcasting truly meditative for you? Do you get something out of it like that, or are you just joking? Yeah, well, I don't know about the – like, listen, like, I don't know how you two hipster chads, you know, view podcasts, right? But for me, it's not meditative at all. For me, it's just another opportunity to indulge in all of my worst impulses. It's completely self-mastermatory in the worst sense. So I really need to find something to offset it because podcasting, I guess, now that I really think about it with you guys in this therapy session, I appreciate that, by the way. Yeah, maybe I need to add some exercise, some push-ups. I don't know. Calisthenics, maybe? I don't know. I mean, if you don't use this time to better yourself, then what are you really doing? I don't think smoking grass, dyeing your beard, and gaining weight is really the way we should tackle this, bro. Well, yeah, when you say it that way, it sounds bad. But if I lie to myself consistently and at a high enough level that this is some type of me freeing my mind situation, I can live with that. That's fine. I can sleep at night.

I mean, this podcast and this is part of the reason we had you on is because it was getting a little too high brown. And I think we had we had so many blockbuster guests from the literary world, theater, Hollywood. I think we need to bring it. I wanted to bring it back down to just kind of like three guys chatting about life, you know, because that's where this podcast can go. Yeah, I appreciate that, man. I mean, at the end of the day, I'm very much a big proponent of bantering with the boys. Listen, if that happens to be you two fucking wave riders, then so be it. Either way, you know, like, let me say this, right? Anyone needs to know. I have been collecting Infinity Stones from both of y'all's podcasts since forever, right? The first time I did a pod was with Jason. You know, I did fucking call him. That was a long time ago. We were in Chris Black's apartment before he got divorced. I don't know where he was. I don't know where he was. He probably was. Damn, I remember that. But it was just me and Jason. Yeah, it was great. And I had an awesome time. Then, of course, I was nice enough to grace both Chris and James Ellis's, you know, you know, podcast with my presence. You know, thank you, public announcement for what you did, you know, for the culture, you know, extremely well produced podcast. Right. It sounded great. Content was whatever, but it sounded really good. And this is now, this is now, this is now the fucking, this is my back to back to back championship with you guys. And I'm just happy. I'm just happy to be on the team. Right. That's all I got to say. Well, I mean, I also, you know, I think that the internet thought there might be some beef, you know what I mean? I wanted to squash that because they don't understand how this shit works. This is scripted television. This is professional wrestling, baby. You know, we know who's going to win and it's obviously how long gone. But, you know, I do feel bad that we weren't able to accommodate both you and James because that would just be too many dudes on one podcast. And I wanted to publicly thank you guys for picking me. You know, listen, I went to James and I gave him the first refusal because at the end of the day, I'm a thoughtful, sensitive work husband. And that's what you do, right? When you give a shit about the people that you decide.

to let in that sounds healthy as hell exactly dude and again that is why we are the only podcast that matters um okay so so i went to him and yo listen it's not an ideal situation i always want to go you know toe to toe with both of you guys with both of us that to me seems like what is a fair fight but i can i'll take handle you know for my people to verse you guys in some fucking verbal arena or whatever this is i would say that you're better verbally and james is definitely more of a twitter fingers type oh interesting i view him as very cerebral right that's how i see our partnership is really the kind of you know classic commentary uh or play by playing color guy right that's kind of like how i see it i don't know if you guys what's your division of labor if you had to break it down yeah i mean i he's he's on the front lines and i'm more of a sniper in the back Similar situation to you guys, perhaps. Yeah. Here's the thing. For people thinking that Throwing Fits and When's This Gone are two separate podcasts, let me just say something. I used the sports analogy, and these motherfuckers used the military analogy. So this is Mansplaining 101. Yeah, we... H2O Lean, same thing, baby. We went from Barstool to Infowars and back, and you didn't even notice it. Less than 15 minutes, really. I mean, that's pretty impressive, to be honest. Listen, man, the frogs are gay. Nobody is talking about it, and I just want to mention it one time. Glad you got that out. Have you found remote recording to be difficult? Because you guys do a lot of shows, and you guys do a lot of shit. I feel like it's extra complicated. Yeah, I don't know how you guys feel. I kind of hate it, man. Like, we're not technically proficient. I mean, luckily, we have amazing kids that help out with the show. Obviously, in this case, shout out Chef Sham, who, like, figures it out for us. Like, if we didn't have... You know, that or like I was one of these idiots on the street starting from scratch, you know, during quarantine to make a podcast with my buddy that maybe happened to live across the country. Like, I don't even know how I would potentially, you know, get through it. But, you know, I'm lucky enough to have an easy system around me. No, I don't like it. What do you guys think? I always prefer in person, obviously. Like, come on. No brainer.

I mean, I think that for us, at least, it's been, I think the level of guests we're able to get this way is much easier because for that reason and also just scheduling in general, people are fucking available and they can't deny it. Yeah, I used to be a 100% anti over the phone pod, have to be in the room, have to read the body language, see the expressions, know when it's whose turn is to talk, all that stuff. I've really grown accustomed to the remote recording. Why are we doing FaceTime audio and not Zoom? Are you guys anti-Zoom or house party or whatever? Because that's what we've been using so you can see people. I'm anti-Zoom. I don't need to see anybody. I feel like it's more relaxing for everyone. It's an audio. We do audio-only podcasts. We don't do any YouTube stuff. Oh, for sure. I mean, listen, if you guys had erected a paywall, you would be thinking about the angles and all the fucking intricate. intricate details and you know all the nuanced things that come with what i do which is more of an art versus what you guys do but that's a different conversation what i what i'm curious about is let's talk about booking right because you guys have booked amazing people and i want some best practices right i'm coming to you guys i'm bending the knee i want to ask this question well then you need to be you don't be yourself that's the number one piece of advice i guess you just have to get a little cooler I don't know. Oh, okay. Thank you. Thank you, Jason. Very cool. Yeah, just kick a man while he's down. No, no, no. Here's my question, right? We always assume that because recording over Zoom or over audio, or audio only over FaceTime like we're doing right now, you know, this is not the most organic. And we always thought that to get the best content, we should dip into the pool of just friends and family, people that we already have an amazing rapport with that probably have already done either the current show or the name. name of a show that shall not be named. But I don't know if that's the right take because clearly people want to put asses in the seats with big guests at the same time. I can't find the balance. Yeah, I think the exact move is to have a perfect balance of those two. You have to book some big names, book some new people who have never been on the show to expose it to a new audience. But you also need to reward the listener and the fan.

who love a repeating guest, you know, like a know me fry or somebody like that, that, you know, we'll just deliver every time instead of taking the risk of booking a big celeb or a big name who might be the most boring two hours of your life listening to that pod. Right. And naturally the best situation is to have famous people who are your friends. Obviously not everyone. It could be, um, as blessed as a Chris. Hey, hey, look. Maybe we can do a trade. How many New Yorker people do you want for a Jonah Hill? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, motherfucker. I don't need any New Yorker motherfuckers on my pod right now. The New Yorker is currently writing a profile on James and I, so I'm good in that category. Okay. Paris Review, what can I do for you? What are you? Who's writing a profile on you? You got to give me more. You can't just throw that in passing. Well, we were talking about it last night because the reporter was nice enough to come into our live Zoom 4D experiential 360 degree throwing fits fucking experiential activation. You guys weren't there. You missed it. It was very cool. So you're telling me a reporter from The New Yorker is writing about a cis? Yeah, it's an online story. It's not going to be in print. Everyone fucking relax, digital only. But yeah. No, that's still amazing. Are you kidding me? I'm jealous. Why the fuck do you think I'm mentioning it on this fucking esoteric highbrow podcast? What is the angle of this story? Two idiots talk to other idiots and it's popular. Chris, Chris, if you think I'm going to give away the whole story on your fucking podcast, you're crazy. First of all, Lawrence, Lawrence, your listeners, first of all, don't know what the New Yorker is. And second of all, spend their whole allowance subscribing to your podcast. They can't even pay for the digital subscriptions to the New Yorker. So I very much hope that the article is not paywalled. I really hope that it can get out there. They know what the New Yorker is. I want as many eyeballs on this as possible. I want as many eyeballs on this as possible. This could be my big pick, guys. I'm really looking forward to it. Well, I'm proud of you. That's a big accomplishment. Chris and I are quite jealous of that, and congratulations.

Can I ask you guys a question? You guys are now on Anchor. This thing is making money. I'm helping out because I want to help you guys like you have helped me. I'm hoping I'm putting money in your pocket right now. You are. Your name being attached to this podcast now. We're moving the decimal point in the digital wallet a few clicks to the right. That's for sure. Do we have any ad reads today, Chris? Yes, we do. We do have a business relationship with both Anchor and Spotify. Shout out to the plug. They are showing love to us because the show is growing very quickly. And I think that most of the shows they work with are actually good. So that helps. So you guys work with Armand at Anchor, right? Yes, that's my shooter. Okay, so first of all, I've known Armand. And then secondly, Armand as a ancillary character on Summer House is really a celebrity in his own right. And I just, I know he's going to listen to this and I want to shout him out because he's the man that makes the podcast magic happen. You know what I'm saying? And he deserves his shine. Shout him out. And honestly, the fact that you guys didn't do it, it's pretty, it's pretty fucked up to be honest. Armand, if you're listening, you know, think about that. I didn't know if Armand wanted to be shouted out. I'm trying to be respectful of his position. You know, I don't want to look like he's playing inside baseball. You don't know if the man who was dating a Bravo Liberty wanted to be shouted out? Come on, bro. I don't want to get the streets too excited. I don't like to reveal upcoming guests. But since you brought it up, that Bravo Liberty is actually coming on how long? Very soon. Yeah, her and I, again, celebrity friends, obviously. So, you know, I banged her line and she's decided to join us. And we're just going to talk about tennis, really. Incredible. Yo, she is an amazing player. And I just like watching her fucking stroke it against Luke. It's powerful, but I can see the finesse and the emotion she brings to the game. And honestly, she's fantastic. I love Hannah. Shout her out. I agree. She is going to be a great guest. I'm happy for you guys. You know, it's funny because I think to myself,

I'm like, how are James and Chris doing Reddit advertisements? How are they doing it? And it's because you book people like Hannah. Well, I mean, Jason and I doing red advertisements is also, I think, a chance for us to inject our hilarious humor into an unfunny genre. I think the ad read is where I like to do some of my best work. And I think Jason would agree. Yeah, it's like jazz, baby, right? Jazz is very cool right now. Thank you, Virgil Abloh, for that. I need to ask a question about jazz real quick. Has anybody ever actually listened to Onyx Collective, or are they just a streetwear band? Yo, listen, I think the answer to that is yes and yes, right? Because I think that people listen because they're a cool streetwear band and I think they have the chops. So it becomes a virtuous cycle. Pretty much like in rap music where just because of the world that we live in, right? You know, this isn't up to the hardest, but the personal brand is more important than the artistic output. That's just the truth, right? Speaking of that, how bad does that new Drake suck? I'll tell you what, man. What a disappointment. Yo, so here's the problem, right? This is my issue. Big Scorpion is indeed out now, right? And it's not hitting, you know? And listen, Care Package I liked, right? That had the shit on it that people had wanted on streaming for a long time. This shit feels like some weird SoundCloud version of that. where um yeah like people wanted to hear the the joint with cardi that had been teased out for forever like his verse had leaked and people had like the videos that he dropped like war and then whatever the other two the twofer was that two pack of ass it just as a project doesn't hold up you know he's gonna make money on it and get streams and it's gonna be number one and there's a couple slaps like um uh what's the fucking what's the drill uk one

not war the other one that shit slaps the one with five oh yeah that's five oh yeah five oh foreign and so some greek i think that that either way that shit fucking rocks jason can you call me five oh foreign from here on out please i'm gonna think of a similar but different name that's unique for you chris don't worry five five oh is a very hard name though i i don't i don't i'm so disappointed with the whole thing and i just feel like it's really the end of an era we've talked about before but i think it's the end of an era i really do i don't unless unless the the the album he he he releases in the summer is really something like i think everybody that's not a full just dumb stan is kind of over it i agree it's uh it's it's finally it's finally come to the tipping point for drake i think this and it's the sixth record which how symbolic is that yeah that's gonna be that's gonna be his his legacy of cool even for enlightened bros like myself and cb like it's gonna come down to what the full-length project is this summer um yeah the two c slide didn't help right and that's also on this tape so that was the l for the culture That was an L for anybody over the age of 14, I think. Yeah. So anyway, here's the thing, really. The big thing for me is I'm really extremely excited, sincerely, for whenever the Cardi project is coming, whether that's Whole Lotta Red or some other version of whatever. You nerd. I said this in our newsletter, but the only people who like Playboy Cardi either work at Grailed or have five-star ratings on Grailed. Yeah, dude, I would agree. Only thought leaders, right? Thought leaders? Guys selling bait from their parents' house are not thought leaders. I like Cardi. Yeah, look at Jason. See, Jason gets it. Jason has a galaxy brain. You know, he gets it. Jason thinks he's from the streets, so he thinks it's cool to like Cardi, but it's just not, guys. I mean, Drake enunciates too clearly.

You know every word he's saying. Cardi is the exact opposite. You don't know anything he's saying. The less you're able to understand the slang and the actual wording, the cooler and better it is. Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm with you, Jason. If I'm not on Genius, I'm not rock hard. I agree. I need to be in the weeds with the streets. learning what is the next culture to appropriate. I'm there with you as well. I will say that if you guys are like, you know, whatever, you don't want to talk about Party, are you excited for the Young Lean project that's coming out? Who likes Young Lean? I love Young Lean. I also like Young Lean. I've had a soft spot for him for a long time. Didn't he do something under a different name once? I really like that, I feel like. Did he do something? You just made that up. That's not even a real thing. That's you just trying to seem too cool for school. No, no, I'm dead serious. I thought he did something under a different name or with somebody else, maybe. You might be thinking about Lil Peep, Chris. No, I'm not. That shit is trash. I can't believe that. We talked about that. Did we talk about it on the podcast, Jason, about me watching that documentary? We just talked about that. You did. Did you watch it, Lawrence? Of course. Are you kidding me? I watched it the day it came out. It honestly baffles me because I'm like, this guy is a mall punk. Upper middle class mall punk, and he's just sad for no reason, and that's the whole story. There's nothing captivating about it. Well, Chris, I think you might have even tweeted about this, but I think that what it all boils down to, in his case, and this is really the best combo you can ever help to achieve, is to be hot and indie. When you're hot and indie, you are respected and loved by everyone. yeah no you're right to be beautiful and to have quote-unquote integrity is truly a divine combination and he had that like that's why that's why people listen to this podcast i agree yes i see i see that but i just was shocked because i i knew a little bit of the music i guess but like I was literally watching it like this guy's like a hot Warped Tour rapper and people act like he's sent from God to preach. And I just was so confused. So what's interesting is that the context around like how old he was and when he was born versus guys like you and me, I think really changes how he's perceived with people who are the same age and people older, right? You and I see Warped Tour as like, yes, a very fundamental or that.

aesthetic and that punk punk movement and you know even post hardcore like the cooler versions of that right that was very important informative to us but because we like lived it we can like look back and not only have like like nostalgia but the hindsight to be like a b c and d was actually corny when we look back but it brings us you know a fondness that we love versus like a dude like people back and he might see that how like how we see like fucking stones right like literally um even though like i don't know if the timing works out exactly and i think that for him you know uh to the people of his age they kind of see it the same way and it's not viewed with the same context am i making sense i'm very high right now so you know no no it it does make sense i just like i have a really hard time because i mean i guess if the songs There are some songs that are, like, undeniably pretty good, I guess. But beyond that, I just don't see the appeal of him. But, yeah, it's an age. It's definitely, like, an age thing. There's no question. And I think that's with Lean, too. Like, I'm not going to pretend, like, I don't understand for people even Lean, but the Essentials, right? The literally, and this is boomer as fuck, but, like, the Apple Essentials, if you want to, like, discover young, exciting, dynamic music, and I mean that seriously, like, you listen to the best of the best from these kids, like, he has been making music like at least to the point where it's hit america since like 2013 like that's a long time to have shit out there and there is a lot of amazing stuff that i kind of like am not rediscovering necessarily because like yeah i read pitchfork like they talked about this shit in the moment but i don't know it just uh it maybe was hitting different in quarantine but but these guys were were not dog shit to be very clear they were solid i mean I'm not saying they're dog shit. I'm just saying it's like, I think that the, like everything else in this world, the music is secondary and that bothers me sometimes. That's all. Well, Christopher, when you approach this from your kind of innate dismissiveness, you know, it just hurts art and culture as a whole. So maybe think about that, you know, just one time. That's all. There's a lot of growth on this episode today, guys. I like it so far. This is therapy, bro.

I love thinking about stuff. It's a voice session. This is therapy, man. Especially when I drink and smoke. Are you normally chiefing on the pod, or is this a rare thing for you? Well, that's a new thing, and I don't know if it's making the content better or worse. For example, I'm going to listen back to this whenever it comes out. And I probably won't be high to listen to it. And I hope that I like what I hear because with the podcast currently, for me, it's pretty hit or miss, right? So we put out a free episode. That's me typically sober. And then behind the paywall for the remaining of the episode, like, you know, you can see the kind of descent into madness. And for me, I don't know, it's a bit hit or miss, you know, so. I just want to be better, right, to Chris's point about self-improvement. You know, I'm in the lab, dude. You know, I watch game tape. You know, I'm like Jordan in that sense. I'm all about improving my craft and being the greatest of all time. Because, you know, that to me is important. And I think you guys can agree, you know, as true gamesmen, you know, as sportsmen. Jason, are you high when we do the pod? No, but sometimes I think about it. But, you know, you take a risk because you can really. say some amazing hilarious insightful funny things whatever or you might just throw up throw up some goose eggs and it's a and it's a dud yeah i mean you don't want to be out here like actively bricking consistently you know again there are going to be ups and downs and you're going to try to like you know learn from your mistakes but but uh yeah i mean listen honestly should i chill out absolutely am i going to probably not larry what um what have you you like to go back and analyze the game tape and and see where you can fix you know or improve what are some some changes that you've implemented or some things that you've improved on over the last year Well, I don't think I've made any improvement in the last year, but just generally speaking, as far as slow burn type shit, I think there is a confidence level.

level that is necessary in doing this earnestly week in and week out like we do and i'm not bullshitting right now right like the fact that there are so many podcasts now and to be honest and you guys might disagree there's so many really good podcasts like so for me you know there's joe budden and how long gone i don't even know other i don't even know other podcasts okay well well i view both of those But the point that I'm trying to make is that, like, you know, you can't take this opportunity for granted, right? The fact that there are people that are not famous even remotely, like me and you guys, that can do this and do it well and do it successfully, I don't take that for granted. So the biggest thing that I think, you know, since you guys have been doing this since forever, I think, This is probably the longest of really anyone I know, just to shout out Tall Tales, which was definitely 1,000% before its time. I think that the big thing for me is you have to believe your own bullshit to some degree, right? It does take some level of delusional self-confidence to continue to do this week in, week out, knowing that. there are people that think what you have to say has any type of value, whether it's educational or on an entertainment, you know, type level, or even just from a humorous standpoint. Right. And, and hopefully, you know, you combine all of these things like, you know, when's this gone and throwing fits. So confidence or, and a little narcissism as well, maybe. Sure. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, if you were to talk to my wife, Like, you know, podcasting has only maybe, again, encouraged my worst impulses. I've mentioned that already. But, you know, you can only hope to do your best to balance these things and not, you know, become the character that you're maybe playing and then to also know when to, like, get it back and have a moment of sincerity. You're fucked because you've definitely become the character you're playing. I mean, maybe when I'm doing this right now. But I like to think that regardless, even if...

I do, again, lose the plot to some degree. I try to be honest and sincere, even if, you know, it takes a while to get to that point because, you know, again, I respect the time of the audience, you know? And like I said to you guys, I respect the sanctity of the format. That's all. So you have been quarantined with your wife, correct? That is correct. Do you have some relationship advice for us or our listeners, you know, how to keep a healthy and strong marriage going during the core? Yeah, I don't know. Other than substance abuse? Yeah, right, yeah. Besides that. I don't know. I think you've got to continue to be as thoughtful as ever. You've got to be diligent in that respect, right? I think that people can get caught in routine. in any relationship that I think has been established past a certain point, regardless of what is happening, you know, in the world around you. That just happens, right? You get into patterns of routine. And when you do that, you sometimes can, like, you know, you know, miss the four for the trees or whatever and forget that, like, they're, you know, this is still somebody who, you know, you have to be. you know, thoughtfully available for it. You can't just fall into a vicious cycle of podcasting, gaming, and, you know, tweeting about, and tweeting takes, right? You need to, you need to remember what the fuck is going on. So, so for me, really, Jason, it's thoughtfulness has to be paramount for you to even like potentially build off this moment and come out a stronger couple, you know, once this is all over. Great answer. You know what? Let me just follow that up. I cannot wait for this shit to be over. Yes. Yes. 100%. This sucks dick, dude. I hate this. Are you seeing, are you, are you safely seeing your boys? No. It sucks. I had, I actually, a homie who I'm not going to name was like, Hey, like I'm thinking of having people over yesterday. And I was like, you know, cause you guys know, like you could, you could, you can't practice.

safe social distancing even at like the nicest crib of your you know most popping homie in new york and it's not possible so that was the past for me yeah that's something that can only really happen in la sure exactly and and that and yeah i got homies in la like uh that are that are definitely safely seeing the boys and quarantining with their friends and, uh, you know, living as best of the life as he possibly can. I don't, you know, feel like I'm doing that, which, you know, I get it though. It's, uh, this is, listen guys, extenuating circumstances. This is unprecedented. What are you going to do? I know that there's, there's nowhere, no way for us to know, uh, when this is going to be over, but what is your, what is your personal prediction? Well, you know, listen, I didn't come on this podcast to just read back my banger tweets. By the way, follow me. But I did. Note to bleep that out. Yeah, please bleep that and I'll do it in the blunt section. Sorry, I forgot that I wasn't a professional for one second. There are rules here, okay? Yes, yes. And again, we don't make the rules, but we try to enforce them to the best of our ability as protectors of the realm of podcasting. What am I going to do when I get up? I tweeted what I know is going to happen. I'm going to literally die from a drug overdose. That's what's going to happen. Look, I know people right now that have done coke this week in quarantine. That's it. insanity and terrible. Retreats are not endorsements on that one. Listen, dude, I'm going to... I know myself and I know I'm itching to get out of here. I got too much pent up energy that I don't even know if doing the Chris Black fucking yoga routine would help. But either way, I'm going to get out. I'm about to go fucking Hammerstein Ballroom and it's going to be a disaster. But I'm asking you when do you think it's going to happen? When are you going to walk back into your grail cubicle? Oh, when? When? When?

Well, first of all, bitch, it's an open concept floor plan, so suck my dick. It probably won't be after this shit because the mouth breathers that work there definitely have no question. RIP open floor format concepts. Damn, has anyone ever told you guys that you're really disrespectful? What? Me? Never. I would never. I would never. I just call them like I see them. You think in October, Larry? Yeah, when? So when? You know, I have a healthy distrust for any optimism around this thing because this is pure insanity. I'm going to say, I would say the over-under, the real line is September. And for me, knowing, like, if I was trying to win a bet, yes, I would say, yes, it's going to be over. And, yeah, so October or later. You think you're not going to go back to work until October is what you're saying? Well, I definitely think that, you know, offices, if we're talking about work, are going to reintroduce. people and in shifts slowly but surely and that is not normal and that's not even something that like i feel like anyone has really dealt with before so again i'm still thinking later in the fall yeah that sounds that sounds like a safe bet october is the next time chris is going to set foot in that uniqlo store yo it's yeah it's crazy to me chris how much traveling are you doing How much disregard do you have for humanity? I'm just curious. How much – what am I doing? Traveling. How much travel are you doing? Disregard for humanity. He's doing zero. No, I've done none, dude. Really? No, I've been in Montreal for eight weeks almost. Like, yeah, I haven't – Oh, okay, so you haven't been back. Got it. No. Honestly? I didn't do my research. I'm not going to lie. I didn't do my research. That was a bold-faced claim to try to do a little gotcha moment, you know, just on your own podcast. First of all, everybody that listens to this podcast knows I only care about myself. So that wouldn't have been a surprise. In your defense, Chris is such a jet setter. He's always catching flights. So it is normal to think that he would still be traveling.

I assumed that the narcissistic jet setter would be spreading his filth across this great nation and other nations as well. I was under the impression that you were going back and forth responsibly from New York to Montreal, but you're still in Montreal. That's great, man. Thank you for your service, buddy. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Hey, no problem. I think that why I did realize in the last couple weeks that there are no flights anyway, so I would have to drive. If I was going to go anywhere, the borders are closed, you know? So that part is unfortunate because I hate being in the car for more than a couple hours, you know? Would you guys mind if I come? Put Chris on the spot again. I have a question for Chris. Jason, will you allow it? Please go ahead. Chris, so I don't know if you've seen this take, but there's an opinion out there that if you left New York... during quarantine and you didn't stand with the city in solidarity you're a bit of a bitch ass motherfucker who's not a new yorker what do you think about that i'm i'm i'm not gonna apologize for not being broke sorry i i don't think i don't think that i mean i i just don't why would i stay somewhere that's worse for me if i have a better option that doesn't that's no that's fair But I have said this before, and I actually believe this. I do feel like I'm missing out on something in some ways, even though it's bad, because I do think it's unprecedented to see the city this way. And I do wish I could at least do that for maybe selfish reasons, but it'd be interesting to see it. Sure. People forget that the richest 1% are not a monolith, right? There is nuanced emotional work that goes into these decisions. And yes, Chris. I understand that you are able to pay your rent and bounce. So I get that because, yes, I'm sure that there is a good portion of the people who are complaining about the very thing I brought up are basically because they're butthurt. They have to stay put and pay the rent. Well, no one likes to talk about New York more than people from New York. Sure, of course. Look, I've never been away this long ever, I don't think. I think this is actually the longest ever stint since I moved there like 11 years ago that I've been away. And I tell you what, I miss it.

Have you heard the clapping at 7 p.m.? Did they do that before you left? What are your thoughts on that? I mean, I think it's totally pointless and people get mad when I say that, but it doesn't do any good except make the people that are clapping feel better. It's literally like it's neoliberal thoughts and plans is what you're saying. Yes, and people get so mad like I'm heartless, but it's like just donate money. You don't clap. Who gives a shit? That doesn't do any good. Yeah. All right. And to be fair. My mother and sister both work in healthcare. So does my brother-in-law. And I think they would much rather have a mask than like somebody they don't know clapping for them. It just seems unnecessary to me. But I also, the other stance I hear on it is that it's like a community building thing, which is something I've never cared about in my life, but I understand that people do. Yeah. What's really funny about that is Chris Black mentioning that his mom and his sister are healthcare workers. I believe the same thing as, oh, I have a black friend. You know, that's the same thing. So I salute. That's great logic, dude. I salute that. I'm just saying I hear about it. I hear about it firsthand. And they also live in Atlanta where everybody's going to die. So it's even worse. You know what I mean? It's even worse. The bigger things for me and all jokes aside, real shit like, yo, the fact that your parents and your family, right, that you love and care about is right now at ground zero of the fucking bozo pandemic. They need to leave. They need to get out of the state, dude. You need to tell them to rent. No, I've talked to some people on the inside, and apparently in the actual city of Atlanta, people aren't going so wild. It's like when you think of a state, it's like when you go to LA, people are behaving. You go to Huntington Beach, they're out with guns. Hey, take it easy. Take it easy. Hey, take it easy. But from what I've heard, it's pretty reasonable. I mean, of course, people are in parks and shit like you see everywhere, but overall, it's pretty reasonable from what I've been told.

Yeah, I expected people to be going buck and buckhead. I mean, it's called buckhead for a reason. But, like, you know, I think the same thing applies to all the, you know, all the shit with what's happening, what, in the West Village this weekend. You know, there was huge snitch energy around that. I hate the snitching, bro. I hate the snitching. We talked about it on the fucking intro. Like, are you a snitch? I can see you snitching. Me? Bro, do I look like Sean King? I'm not a snitch dude. Get out of here, fuck. What? So is Sean King? I thought Sean King was canceled. I don't really get it, bro. Cancel culture is not real, man. Okay. Um, I ordered the Louis CK comedy special. It happens, you know, like, you know, wow. You know, the, the host of this podcast have seen that special. Um, and I gotta say, I barely cracked a smile. Yeah, it's not up to snuff. But, you know, I guess my thing is, like, if you're a fan of Louis, you're going to like it. And there's way better stuff to consume during quarantine. That's just, like, the brass tacks truth. There's better shit to pay for. But at the same time, you know, if you like what you like, you like what you like. I'm not going to tell you. But do you think people are also, I mean, I think a lot of people are paying for that because they are interested just to see. what it is i don't know if they even expect to laugh right does that make sense like oh yeah for sure i think that that's um that's like virtue signaling right like yeah i'm gonna pay the money so i can fucking destroy this like you know what are you doing here don't pay the money you know i don't know maybe if you feel you have some type of obligation to society um i would tell you that you're insane but like who am i to stop you from doing what you see you know, CS run. So my thing is this again, and just watch supersonic on Netflix. Like what are you like? Just that's right there. You know, that doesn't cost anybody. And that shit is, is, is funnier to be honest. Oh, it's way funnier. That's a classic. That's a cinematic brilliance. That's how many times have either of you guys seen it? I actually, I don't watch things more than once or twice. I've seen that. I don't, I don't, I think watching things over and over is really weird. Like, why would you do that?

Well, I'll explain that. But Jason, how many times? I'm in the same boat as Chris. I usually try not to repeat because, you know, there's an infinite amount of TV, movies, books out there. I'm never going to read all of them. So I'm wasting time if I'm repeating. Which is funny because I feel the same way but different, right? There's so much stuff out there. I'm never going to get it. So I love the comfort and the joy I get when I return to things I know make my fucking dick move six to midnight. And I will say that in a time that we're living in right now where every moment of existence, the cruising altitude is just anxiety-ridden that I find comfort in returning to my favorite books, my favorite TV shows, definitely my favorite music more than anything else, and movies, everything. Music I only listen to is old. That's all I like. But for some reason with movies and TV, I have no interest in doing that. I never watch things twice. Well, I watched Sonic for the third time maybe like a week ago, and I was just like, it's just so awesome. That's why, like, I know I'm going to even watch it again probably, you know, a year from now, you know, not like tomorrow. But, yeah, I don't know. It's almost like comfort food in a way. And then when the product itself, like, to me, at least has some type of higher artistic or cultural aesthetic value, then, like, I still feel good. Like, I don't feel guilty. It doesn't feel like a guilty pleasure as much as I'm still doing the kind of right thing for my extremely normally smooth brain. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very smooth. Have you guys seen an increase in your digital begging ducats because of this quarantine? Well, here's the thing, man. I don't know if you guys have seen this because you started your podcast after quarantine. You seem like a bunch of fucking carpetbaggers. But if you were in the podcast game from Jump... like a like a true warrior um you would know that yo from what i've seen across the board you know i got a lot of friends in the industry boys i'm connected right i don't fuck around when it comes to the podcasting shit uh things downloads in general are are down 25 across the board because commuting

is where clearly, unbeknownst to me, one-fourth of all podcast listening happens. That's insane. I've never thought about that. I've read the stats, but some podcasts, we don't suffer from that same, you know, we're not seeing that. So that's what I was asking. I don't know. Yeah, I guess when you're at rock bottom, you can't go in and look. Exactly, exactly. But have you actually not seen an increase in paying subscriptions? Oh, let me explain how Patreon works to you guys. Right. So like when it comes to your payment method for, you know, when you're doing the digital panhandling and you're trying to get people in the door, you can defer payment or you can ask for payment up front. Now, originally, James and I just stupidly had, I believe. what is the, the, you know, initial setting of deferred payment set up. So we realized first and foremost that that needed to change immediately, but anyway, yeah, exactly. So, so, so the, what we've been seeing now, uh, since we've, we've been on Patreon is that there's always going to be an exodus at the end of the month because people sign up just for Chris black part two. and then jimmy and larry make chris black part two free oh no and then they get really sad and angry because why weren't jimmy and larry thinking about me and what i do and just me so i fucking bounce and that happens right so you know you get some of that and then what you do is on the first of the month you make up what you lost and you hope to get over the hump now at least for what we do, we don't do a ton of marketing. You know, I wish that we could have a fucking New Yorker profile every fucking month, but that's not how it works. So, you know, with less people listening in general, that's less people tapped in and helping kind of create the general narrative, um, and community for the show. And that's less people than also sharing it. So, you know, listen, were we on track to go fucking nuclear before this happened? Yes. I absolutely don't, I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it either. I don't doubt it either. No, guys, for sure. And the biggest reveal, which I guess we're probably going to be done soon, but I'll drop right now for anyone who stays. Dude, we signed with WME. You know, like that really happens. I'm sorry. You signed with what? Yeah, yeah. We signed with William Morris and Debra. Yeah, that happened. Did I? Wait. Oh, I didn't set that up. Okay. I set up a few, but they didn't work out. What do you mean? Meetings with agents for you.

Oh, okay, right, sure, sure, yeah. Because I don't want people. I don't want to seem like so much of a dick you helped. You know people for sure. But so you're saying that Throwing Fits, the podcast, is currently represented by William Morris Endeavor. Yeah. That's awesome. And what I believe is happening is because Endeavor is basically the first name in podcasting talent. I think they just are scooping everyone up. Obviously not you guys because you're not good. But everyone else is getting, I think, scooped up and brought in. So are you being represented for live engagements or digital experiential moments like you had yesterday? Yeah. So, so here's the thing. We'd already been like talking to people about, you know, live booking. Cause that's the obvious first thing. Like, you know, for guys like you, for guys like me that, you know, you've had the opportunity to make a ton of money on just not putting only putting asses in this, but like merchant upselling VIP fucking ticket packages and all this. Yeah. That I never even considered because, you know, I'm thinking of myself as myself, but not as some 13 year old with his parents credit card. Right. You know, the lifeblood of what. We do. I know you guys are a bit different, but either way. But yes, WME has a grand fucking plan about how they can help us. If you come to us, what am I supposed to say? No? Are they taking a percentage of the Patreon, though? Is this a full 360? No. Also, by the way, I know we're being recorded. I don't know if I want to talk about any of this. Why? We need to know the ins and outs. What do you mean? You come in here staring at your big old dick and you don't want to talk about it? I think that sativa is starting to hit in a little bit. He's getting paranoid. Yeah, exactly. Getting a little paranoid. I believe that's called regret, generally speaking. Yeah, no, I'll tell you this. I would say I definitely viewed it in my own mind as a 360-degree deal, but they're not touching the Patreon. That's separate. They're helping us with booking the show, marketing the show.

When I say bookings, I mean live bookings for us and not even getting talent, which obviously we need help with there. We need more Jonah Hills. That's the way that the fucking pod gets out there, but it's all shit like that. I don't know, putting us in touch with fucking guys that do scripted. Who knows? Maybe I had girls in me, boys. I don't know. We already had that bad show about making jeans in New York. We don't need another one. First of all, it wasn't bad. terrible okay um but yeah i mean listen listen man i just feel blessed but that happens while in quarantine um because i guess because those dude has just way more so much time on their hands that they're like hey maybe let's uh reach out to new talent Well, congratulations. That's amazing. It's insane, but it feels good. I'm sure James is going to be pissed on talking about this. Well, I mean, that should be public knowledge. That only makes you look good. It's not like it's a fucking secret to get represented. No, for sure. I don't know, man. I want to come on this podcast, and I want to have fun with you guys, and I want to be honest, and I want to be sincere, but I also don't want to come off like... I don't know if that was an asshole or something to drop or whatever. Moving on. No, it's fire. This is what I want to talk about. We talk about the ins and outs of the business. We had Jeremy O'Harris on here explaining to us how you make money on Broadway, giving us hard numbers of money he's made. Yeah, well, that's useless information. I mean, it's actually interesting, though, because I think that's a sector of entertainment that I know the least about. that is actually makes a difference you know i mean is actually important and has its own ecosystem so i was excited to learn about it personally yeah i mean calling it entertainment i think is a stretch in and of itself but yeah i'm with you i have no nothing about that world at all well look i know that you like sports and video games so i can't expect you to understand theater dude i love sports you know i love fucking sports man again you know i am an enlightened bro you know i trickle up you guys trickle down it's different we meet in the middle here we are actually actually that you couldn't have said it better that's fire i agree

Yeah, I know. I'm fired. You don't need to tell me, Chris. I bet your wife is in the other room every day just really deciding whether or not she should leave. She had to buy noise-canceling headphones because me talking was ruining our marriage. She's talking. Not even podcasting. Just regular day-to-day stuff. I mean, again, I am a very unique, nuanced person, and I deserve you know, love attention as well. I'm not a monster. No, I agree. I know you did. Also, while we have you, I was going to ask about, about Graham, because I feel like it's probably doing very well during this time. Yeah. I mean, I think, well, yeah, because you know, when everyone's stimulus checks are hitting, what do you, what the fuck do you think people are? Do you think that anyone who is getting what they think is scare quotes, free money for the government? Do we think they're spending that rationally or responsibly? Hell no. Exactly. Everyone is copying shit and there's a whole fucking subset. That is the shit they're copying is doing that to fill the extra large hole, the extendo hole that is in their soul because of the world we live in now. I mean, think about, yo, bro, this is the insane thing, right? When you think about how fucking consumers spend money to make themselves feel better, right? The world was terrible politically beforehand, right? Now we are living in a dystopian. apocalypse to the point where every day feels like parody and they have money to burn. What do you think they're going to do? So yes, it's good right now, but you know, I wish that I could stop all these people from spending their money. It's like, you know, it's the wrong thing to do. Well, I'm sure you're spending your money stupidly. Oh bro. I am copying the best worst shit of all time. Clothing or just more vape pens. Yes. No, I have a weed. Listen, I'm an adult. I have a weed budget, but no, I mean John's. I'm going crazy. Really? I don't feel that inspired to shop, to be honest. I bought a few things, but it's not hitting that hard for me. Well, you're not smoking weed at all.

every day in the laboratory thinking about your swag research and development you know for me that's my my whole life right that's what everything i do exists in service of that base instinct just for me personally so yeah i'm going fucking crazy but also chris chris never would post a fit pic so and he's in montreal so there isn't really an audience for him to to swag out just you know the fucking the byline of his column like he still does it it's just you know he uses well lawrence the difference is well i'm not actually posting them to be fair i'm you know i i my editor chooses what he wants to do i don't have much to say in that as as just a contributor you're telling me that your editor it's that picture for you week in and week out and you're not sending the new one that your girlfriend took the week before get the fuck out of here Look, I'm just saying I'm not pressing send on Instagram. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. That's totally fine, bro. Listen, I know that there are certain people that are built for living in 2020 at the kind of turbo level that I am doing. So I don't begrudge you for not doing it. I'm just saying, catch up, baby, because you're going to get fucking left in my wake, dude. That's all. I don't think we're – I think we're riding different waves. But still building. Still building. That's all that matters. And that's all that matters. Absolutely still building. And how are the Chuck-led Instagram lives going? I feel like they're pretty fun. I feel like it's actually really good. Smart thing to do. Yeah, it's great. And I wanted to say thank you very much for participating in your first one. The second one was a bit much, and I want to chill moving forward. But either way, for me... it really comes down to that's the community that you want to build um whether or not the times dictate you leaning into that right like you know in a perfect world this is the kind of stuff that any show does to some level to engage with their fans and have fun and bring friends in and create a platform where everyone can fucking bullshit and be themselves and hopefully provide some type of positive energy in a very shitty time and you know

We were late to the game, but we're doing them. And I'm very proud of Chuck kind of like taking the lead. Well, do you think, and I appreciate all the homies that have tapped in like you. But do you think you will continue to do that when this is all over? Or do you think it's like something, it's a, it's a bandaid for right now. Oh, absolutely. It's done the second this shit lives. You gotta pay for that shit. What are you talking about? You gotta pay for it. Come on, bro. Well, sorry. You were talking about all this community building, et cetera, et cetera. So I thought you meant it, but I know. Yeah, dude, I am a hypocrite. Like, I don't know what to tell you, you know? It's kind of, no, in all sincerity, I don't know, maybe, it'll be up to Chuck, right? It'll be up to him because he's the one who is giving the, who's committing his time, right? That's the thing. The guests, you're popping in and out for five minutes, but for Chuck, he's doing like an hour, roughly, of like, you know, you're putting yourself out there. proverbial summer jam screen and that's not easy that's that's back to that delusional self-confidence that you know you need to have and and chuck and and chuck is but a mere you know naive beautiful unjaded uh drop so it's it's been interesting he's the perfect guy to send out to the front lines i i think what god created a perfect angel when he made uh carlos franco uh all right larry i think we're done yeah cool How do you feel? I hope you guys got some good shit. I feel excited. I feel alive. I feel like I got to do another podcast or something. Fuck, man. A one-man show. Well, I mean, look, I know how it feels. Thank you for joining us, Jason. Do you have anything for our humble guests? Just a quick thank you for taking the time to come to the show, buddy. Oh, dude, this is, I mean, the honor and the privilege is all mine. You know, I love you guys. I love this show. I haven't told you this, Jason, but when you guys fucking dropped, I was like, I have to hit CB because this is fantastic. And I wanted the opportunity to tell you guys that, you know, you're blowing up. That's good. Fantastic. Well done. Thank you, sir.

Thank you. And they can find you on – tell them where they can find you. This is the plug portion of the show now. Oh, awesome. Yeah, I jumped the gun a bit earlier. I didn't want to bust too soon. Follow me on Twitter and IG at Sartorily Inc. And listen to my podcast that I do with my friend James Harris. That is Throwing Fits, the only podcast that matters. Thank you, boys. I appreciate you. And this was a joy, a true joy. All right. We'll talk to you later. Later, guys. Thanks so much. Later. Peace.