336. - Interpol

All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? We've hit a new low. Jason, how are you? Don't say that. How long gone? Jason is here. Chris is here. We're both IRL, live and uncut from Glendale. We just did our first... Next level ad read. We're in the car game, so you can suck both of our dicks from the backside front. Use your reverse cam. We have a lot of mileage and range available in the all-new Nissan Aria. It looks like a stunning vehicle. No, I couldn't agree more. I can't wait to hopefully be gifted one as part of this kind of ad deal. I'd love to add another EV to my fleet. My charging station is kind of filled up right now. I'm the opposite. They're like TJ. Why you got a 12-car garage, buddy? You only got six cars. Whereas you have 12 cars and you only have six-car garage. These are WeHo problems. Let me open up a CBD THC soda really quick, sir. I heard an interesting thing, Tay, that Lil Baby is working on a project. Okay. I say project because it's not an album, and you know how I like to differentiate. Hopefully it's knitwear. It's called Lamborghini Boys, and the only people that are allowed to submit guest verses have to prove Lamborghini ownership. That's the fucking dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. So to get a verse on this Lamborghini Boys project, you must...

I guess maybe show title. I don't know how he's. I'm picturing little baby sitting patiently by a fax machine as someone's personal assistant sends over. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I said current registration. Well, yeah, because you could easily fake ownership of a Lamborghini. I see people doing it every day. But, you know, if you really want to rub elbows with the greats, you got to show proof. I mean, it's so dumb. I mean, there was the Bugatti boys. Bugatti known as the most expensive car you could purchase currently. Are you thinking of the Bukkake boys? There's also that. But I mean, why are we going down instead of up as time progresses? Lil Baby, you have tons of money. I think Bugattis are really corny. Lamborghinis are, I guess, slightly less corny. I don't know. That's all bad to me. How many Lamborghini owners are great rappers? Probably a lot. Four? No, I bet a lot of these guys. Not Lamborghini leasers. Not Lamborghini certified pre-owned owners. Not Lamborghini renters. Okay, so you're saying the five members of the Bored Ape Yacht Club. None of those guys can rap. Those guys can't rap. Those are the only people that buy Lambo's cash. And Jay-Z, I guess. Jay-Z can rap and owns Lamborghinis. Jay-Z could rap 15 years ago. I couldn't agree more. Ross. So you're sipping a new beverage. Yeah, shout out to my squad over there. In the world of food fluencing, they sent over a pack of... Artet is the brand. We'll give him a free plug. It's cannabis-infused sparkling beverages. Is that one of your ambient artists? Fartet. Fartet. He's done a day. This is actually delicious. What's the flavor? Mango ginger spritz. Usually whenever I drink these fourth wave artisan beverages, it could be virgin, alcohol, or drug. It doesn't matter. There's always something wrong. There's always one little thing. You probably see this a lot with clothes or shoes where you're like, this would be a perfect thing if Tom Ford didn't put that one little dumb thing right there, or worse, Tom Brown put that one little thing right there. My question to you is, when will all these beverages that contain things that are supposed to help us or make us feel better, when will they kind of bow down to my wishes and give me something with no flavor?

Ooh. When is the fully plain? When's the Pepsi Crystal? When's the clear? Yeah, it's just like instead of trying to come up with all these flavors, why don't you just hit me with the plain that has the adaptogens in it? Is that not possible? Is that actually harder to do because you're not able to mask the disgusting flavor with the equally disgusting flavor of mango? That's where my scientific mind goes to first is that you do need a flavor to mask and sit on some of these flavors. But then the other hand of that coin is just do better at making flavorless adaptogens. Yeah, I want flavorless adaptogens. This little can has five milligrams of THC, five milligrams of CBD. That's flavorless. That's nothing. So you could just have a La Croix pure, clear flavor can. I just don't know. This one hitting for $5. This one hitting for $10. This one hitting for $50. If you're a snail mail, this one's hitting for $275. I just don't understand why that's left out of the – like this stuff is obviously for consenting adults over the age of 21. Well, Chris, this is how innovation starts. This is why I started DJing, podcasting. This is why you started photographing chairs and lamps. You see a space. That needs to be fulfilled. You see an open field. I've heard this called a white space. Is that possible? And I don't want to make this about race. We're not talking about our Discord. We're talking about... We don't have a Discord. We're not talking about Danny Podcast's Discord except Code Switch. No, no. Yeah, this is an opportunity. This is a hole in the market that needs to be fulfilled. And those are my favorite types of discovery innovation. So you're saying that instead of us spending our time, brain power, money, and manpower on developing MUD 3.0, we should actually be developing a flavorless soda that contains drugs. Yeah. It's just – it's spindrift, olipop. Don't bring up my enemies. I've seen you beefing online with Olipop. Fuck Olipop! You know, see, it's like Coca-Cola, Elon Musk or not Elon Musk. Delicious, perfect flavor. Whether or not it has cocaine in it or not, truly a perfect flavor. LaCroix comes out and they're like, oh, this just tastes like somebody yelled blueberry in another room and then you're drinking it. So that has no flavor. The problem with Olipop...

It has an outright bad flavor. You drink it and you go, mmm. I just don't understand. As a person who doesn't drink soda at all, but if I were compelled to drink a soda, I'm going to get a real soda. I'm not going to have a knockoff. This is basically like getting a Costco soda, but it's branded for people who were inaugural joining members of the wing. It is interesting how the soda market has stayed. like very segregated like that like there is the the coke the pepsi the sprite the dr pepper all the tops and they're like they're at the top for a reason oh my god delicious and for some reason no one's ever been able to make either a cheaper version an artisan version that's five times as much with better ingredients it never works it never works right it's like making it's like street like mexican tacos like It's never going to be as good as just a regular taco. You can have this Wagyu grass-fed uni shit, making it in Noma. It's never going to be good. And the same thing with soda. I agree. That's why soda is so cool. Well, I also don't think soda, it's just if it's going to be even fake healthy, it's not going to taste good. That is the number. It's not healthy. That's not what it's meant to be. And shout out to all the fake soda companies that send me sodas all the time. I love you. I'm rocking with you. Hopefully one day we'll crack through that fourth wall. I'm glad that you were able to raise $3 million in friends and family seed round and spend a million and a half of that on graphic design instead of product development. Shout out to those guys at Pentagram for doing such a great job on the packaging. It's unbelievable. what it looks like on the shelf. It's unbelievable until you actually taste it. Honestly, this, your idea is a good one. And because like maybe, I don't know, a year ago when we, when we were doing a bunch of mud and stuff with our coffee, I was like, we should just make La Croix. I mean, I think of this all the time when I go to Trader Joe's and La Croix, it's like the product is there. It's perfect. It makes tons of money. And with one little tweak,

which is make it not ugly and raise the price 10 cents, you're good. The packaging on all the food at Trader Joe's is so bad. It's comically bad. It feels purposeful. It feels purposeful, but I don't know. I always think, imagine if somebody just made all the products look cool easily. The problem is that, to me, the Trader Joe's ugliness is almost more appealing because it doesn't look like a startup. It doesn't look like we've reinvented the pan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, when I say good design, I don't mean that. But unfortunately, that's what's considered good design if you're trying to sell flavorless sodas to whites. Yeah, that is a different one. That's why Olipop has the full case at Erwan, and they're paying a fortune for the end cap because it's like this shit looks like people want it to look, so they're going to buy it. Okay, so this brings us back to a nasty little word in the branding world that you can never recreate it. You can never synthesize it. It's a little something called authenticity, Chris. Have you heard that thrown around in your whiteboard meetings? It's something I've heard about a lot. And if you look at my whiteboard right now, the scribbling, my ideating, the word comes up. And it's something that we have to kind of be mindful of at all times, especially when creating. Can you teach it? Oh, no. You either got it or you don't. And these little fake-ass soda companies, you ain't got it. I don't care how much money you raise from which celebrities. Maybe we need – because the future is all about data, right? That's what I've heard, yeah. You've heard that. So we don't care about what you're doing. We just want to know things about you and how to sell them to you. So this is going to be a new thing that we sell to the government. It's an authenticity meter. Okay. I would love to get into government contracts. I've heard there's a lot of money in that. Yeah. Unfortunately, I don't have any lines on weapons. So we will have to weaponize. I have loose ties in the aerospace market right now. And hopefully those.

Those knots will be tied up a little bit more. They seem very loose. I think they're maybe, I would say, untied. They'll be tied come next year, sweetheart. Okay. Well, I would love to see you upgrade and be able to get an all-new Nissan Pathfinder instead of kind of your older truck. We don't need to do – I mean, Nissan will give me the all-new Aria for free, obviously. they'll get to pick the color it won't be the best that's fine so we did have this advil orange they didn't test great but we but we do we have a few on the lot it has matching interior nothing worse than the kia soul in in sprite orange i mean or advil advil orange like you make as soon as it drives off the lot the guy who painted it is like i just fucking ruined this car's resale value it's just it's just the kind of thing it's like sneakers somebody's always trying to like freak it and it's like man You know what? With cars, white or black, and I guess silver, you know what I mean? Those are the only three that should exist. And there's been this argument about color is gone from cars, color is gone from movies, and it's something that I think about a decent amount, where it's like, have people become more shitty and boring and drab, like every Marvel and Batman movie is just gray and brown? Don't even get me started on the Clay Audi. And then there used to be these fun, exciting car colors, and now, like you said, white, black, gray, because it's just too risky. Have we gotten dull, or has the market just corrected itself of like, yeah, why are we going to make 1,100 lime green Teslas when they just sit on the lawn? No, it's not going to sell. And also, I mean, look, I guess red is a color that people – I mean, I don't like the color red personally, but I do – For the right car, right setting. It evokes sport. And I understand that's been driven into our brains. Like a 65 red Mustang is considered one of the greatest cars of all time by guys that roll their shirts. Here's another factor. This is the third factor to consider. 20 years ago, we didn't have rap culture. And I don't mean chicken Caesar. I mean paying some Armenian guy down the street four grand to turn my shit whatever color I want. So you're saying that the fact that my car is now digital camo, it could be...

I could just change it to whatever with the wraps. Overnight. Because I paid a graffiti artist to kind of do it on the low. See, that's a bad move. It doesn't look great, but I didn't realize I could just wrap it. Well, the problem, because when you do the graffiti straight onto the car, you do get points for authenticity, not to bring it back. That's right. But then you are kind of sitting there with, I mean, there's a car that was in my neighborhood forever. It was like this $200,000 Porsche Turbo carbon fiber hood, and then somebody... hand-painted with, like, a paintbrush like you would get from, like, Walgreens level. Like, you could see the brush strokes. It looked very elementary. Of Scrooge McDuck diving into his pool full of gold coins. Are you saying that you live near someone who was actually able to commission an Alec Monopoly piece for the whip? No, this makes Monopoly look like Degas. But this seems like it was based on a Monopoly work, one of his masterworks. There, yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. That's rough. Maybe Gucci Ghost was involved as well. Don't talk about Gucci Ghost. He's a great snowboarder, and that's what we need to remember. I just discovered him again, because I used to hang out with him back in the day. I was about to say, I'm sure you've shared the decks with him. But now I'm like, damn, you made a full career. You make more money than your wife, who's a Grammy award-winning musician, for drawing a G and then a backwards G on... Anything. On anything. It's honestly, it's to the point where I have to respect it. It's such a grift. Yeah. And it requires so little that I'm down. And hopefully he knows that and is like every night I'm just. Look, he either knows that. I'm living my life. He either knows that. There's only two ways this goes. He either knows that and he's laughing all the way to the Bank of America or he thinks he's Picasso and his wife hates him. There's only two ways it goes. But can you also, the third option, you just stay awake at night staring at the ceiling like my life is a... Tragic joke? Sure. Maybe. But when you got money, you don't care about stuff like that. Well, when you have money, drugs, and fellatio, you can temporarily suspend those moments of grief and disbelief, regret, etc.

Shout out to him. I can't wait to hear his new mix. Speaking of authenticity, Rihanna, she's a very authentic person. That's why we love her. Isn't that right, Chris? Yeah. She's been in the news because she apparently likes to eat mangoes and she'd dip them in the ocean and the rivers and the lakes. To clean them. To clean the mango. Because you know as kind of like a food guy that you don't want to eat the produce raw dog. You've got to wash the damn mango. Yeah, you've got to wash the mango. But, yeah, I'm a little concerned about her pregnancy. Yeah, so you're like, mango, that's the least of your issues. I mean, I'm glad she's washing it off. I'm not a doctor, but that seems like a good thing to do. I think some of that mango bacteria will put a little bum-a-clot air on the baby's chest. But you can't smoke weed while pregnant, right? She'd find a way. Yeah, I bet she's finding a way. And that's good because she has to calm down because her... Baby's father, influencer ASAP Rocky, can't keep his hands clean. He's being accused. He's been arrested by the police for a shooting. He shot at a guy, right? Yeah, but come on. There ain't no way he shot at a guy, bro. He's not really about that. He's too famous. He knows better. There's too much to lose. Yeah, there's 10 guys that will do that for him. There's no reason to do that. Yeah, if I've successfully convinced, nay, tricked Rihanna into having sex with me, the last thing on my mind is doing anything that could jeopardize that. But I think that the feds did search his home, and they found weapons, all those weapons legally registered and not involved in the shooting that they were trying to charge him for. So I feel like he's got a way out. And the person that he shot at, they lived, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. He's nobody dies. Who cares? I mean, it is a bad it's a bad sign when when you get arrested at the airport and then simultaneously they know that they know to raid your apartment while that's happening. That's like not great. There's a couple of ticks on the on the checklist where you're like, oh, this is I bet. But I bet the high profiledness of his relationship is part of the reason.

This guy's coming. Because it happened like a year ago. It happened like a while ago. Did you say high-profiled-ness? No, just high-profiled-ness. It's a term I made up. That's good, man. But I'm glad that they're reunited. Hopefully, Rihanna's able to de-stress. I think I know what you mean by that. Hit the bubbler? She's definitely hitting the bubbler. I mean, does she switch to edibles when she's pregnant? When you're in your third trimester and the baby is kind of pretty much... Like the souffle is not going to collapse. Edibles are probably the best bet. Also in Cali, that's what all you pussies do. So I don't know why she would be any different. You know what I mean? Yeah. So a listener sent me a very sweet DM this morning saying like, hey, I've heard you talk about marijuana consumption and talking about like the. pushing through the paranoia like everyone you've talked to is like i tried it once never again never you know it's too crazy and then i'll always call them the p word or whatever and say they have to try harder etc etc and he was asking me what do i do in that situation how do i actually push through and i was saying don't do edibles just smoke yeah it's way too predictable or unpredictable when you eat the edible like sometimes i'll eat an edible an hour will go by and nothing will happen and I'll forget that I even took an edible. Sometimes I eat an edible, and 20 minutes into it, I'm on the freeway, and I'm like, oh, God, I've got to roll the windows down and remember to breathe. I want to say I don't miss that feeling, but I'd be lying. But when you smoke. I'm an authentic cat. Yeah. No, bro. And then five minutes later, you're like, I'm high. And that's pretty much how high you're going to be. If I want to get more high, I just light another one versus, like, if I don't want this to stop, I'm going to have to throw up. Bingo. You know, and that's not great. It's the same with cocaine. It's like when you boof it, you're like a little bit of a question mark. I just got to do some lines. I also, you know, quickly, I want to talk about something I've seen kind of, you know, happen on the Internet. Just I don't know if you've seen this first ladies program where it's like three different. It's like Nancy Reagan, Jackie O, stuff like that. Yeah, but not that. But yeah, but there's a Michelle Obama. First ladies of R&B. There's Michelle Obama. And the it's.

I got to look up. I'm sorry. Nancy Reagan? No, I'm blanking on the actress. Hilaria Clinton? I'm blanking on the actress. What else is new? Blank ass. I'm the one who's the stoner. I know. I have a hard time sometimes. I'm literally having to see you right now. I watched this show. Oh, Viola Davis is Michelle Obama. Michelle Pfeiffer is Betty Ford. The point is, Viola Davis' Michelle Obama accent is... and mouth the mouth thing is worse than the anadelvy it's impossible to watch i was watching this i was like you turn it off turn it off turn it off turn it off it makes me insane because we've seen michelle obama she doesn't do that i don't understand where it's coming from right right so this is based on a real person she had like michelle has that very particular kind of pursed mouth thing that she'll do occasionally occasionally But then you're saying the Viola Davis rendition of it is balls to the wall. Viola, who's also one of our greats. She's like a real amazing actress. So I don't understand what's going on. I think the problem is you put too much emphasis and thought into nailing this one specific little quality about it. And then it ends up being kind of an obsession. And then once you do it once, you feel like you have to just keep doing it. It's too risky because she's such a great actress, but it's just like, hey, just, you know. You think Michelle called her? I was like, bitch, why you do me like this? Because when you do that, just with the Anna Delvey thing. Barack, Barack, turn down Anderson . I'm talking to Viola. The whole legacy of this film. long past this is the only thing people are talking about the only thing is just like oh that's the movie where michelle obama goes like the only thing yeah the only thing i've heard about is not whether this is good or bad but about how the accent is fucking crazy and like the mouth movement is crazy it's really tough but uh we also should probably talk about the um the anyway check it out first ladies it's on showtime what is it on the boring uh future album uh i listened to i only listened to like

People refuse to admit that it's boring. I was listening to the Joe Biden podcast. These guys, some of them are like, it's okay, but then half of them are like, it's crazy. I'm like, am I listening to something different? This shit's boring as fuck. I wouldn't say it's crazy. Maybe they've just forgotten what crazy future music sounds like. I know I don't like lyrics, unless they're future lyrics. Good lyrics. I mean, future always has good lyrics. That's the most interesting thing going on, because overall, it's a snoozer. I think is it... I think it's kind of like when Dirty Sprite 2 came out, and when that first came out, and the artwork lands, and it's just the Adobe Photoshop background image. For this album, I would like to point out, he did just use an outtake from a GQ shoot. I'll give you guys an extra 10. I'm going to use this, because it definitely... Oh, he definitely just used it. It's so cool that he cares. I remember Decatur Dan explaining to me... how little he cares about stuff like this and why that makes him cool oh absolutely and it's like damn it really is true like he didn't hire he didn't hire some graphic designers in portland to do this like he's just like i don't know man like future was just like let's use that one okay it's not and then he never thinks about it again and then when the album comes out he'll be driving down in his tahoe he'll drive by times square on the spotify billboard and be like oh damn that photo's sick damn i forgot i did that I was asleep, actually, though. So when DS2 came out, and I remember it was also kind of like a little bit of a boring album. That's known as his big, so many bangers on them. But the songs did kind of have a boring energy, but I think the energy of the world and society and everything at the time was in a better place than it is now. Rap is just so dystopian now, and it's just so inauthentic. But back then, You're like, here's a slow song, and it's like. Yeah. And then Future's just like barely awake off of 11 Perk 30s. But then he goes, I just fucked your bitch with some Gucci flip-flops. And then everyone, I mean, and it's like a lazy line, but the first time I played that in a club, people are tearing the windows off of the building, smashing bottles on the floor. No, you're right. You're right. Just like running. I just think that.

The song titles are so good. And I think that he's one of the very few people who could release him and Harry Styles putting out track listings and people losing their minds. And I'm like, do all these people even know what puffing on zooties means? I don't know if I do. I mean, we can do the math. I mean, of course. But I mean, and I think, of course, I use my zooties to get zooted for a nut. I mean, that's crazy to call a song for a nut. I know, and unfortunately the song didn't go in the direction that I was hoping it was going to do. That's because Gunna and Young Thug are both really cool, but the music ain't really hitting. No. Gunna is so boring. So cool. Love the guy. Love all of those guys. I know. Young Thug is a crazy maniac guy, crazy rapping style. Future and Gunna, they're at the top of the game. Every time you see them live, they just stand there. They don't move an inch. They're just like. Well, I've been told that sometimes it's because they're afraid they're going to tipple over because they're feeling unsteady due to drug use. So somebody just kind of wheels them out there. Yeah, bro. A bodyguard who's holding their MCM mini backpack. You take enough perkies, those quads ain't engaged and you could fall over. You know what I mean? He can't stand up straight. I wonder if there's some type of like NSYNC puppet kind of thing going on where you can't see the strings, but someone's up there just kind of. moving future's arms around i mean jay prince could be involved i don't know but i don't think that's really rick ross is like i don't do drugs at all but i could use a little help on you got one of those i need a little more reinforcement if you got it i'd love to be able to do my encore not in sitting in a chair so that sounds like a nice option i would love for a rick ross renaissance i would love for a rick ross prime era he's trying he's posting videos of him as of his tank I saw the tank. That's stupid. But I do think that that kind of energy, it's really his to bring back. I want him to kind of take a Martha Stewart-esque lane. Once he makes his, I don't know, wing stop, triple IPO, whatever happens. Yeah, he will. He makes that, and then I want him to kind of embrace. I want him to be Martha Stewart, who still kills people. Like a little, like half Martha, half Tony Soprano.

With a little dusting of, I don't know, Bill Bellamy? He already lives in the suburbs, and he also disappeared because he killed his gardener. I guess it sounds like he's already there. He killed his gardener? Yeah, that's the whole thing. That's why he went quiet. That's how I know Rick Ross' guy. He cares that much about his gardener. I don't know what actually happened, but he definitely was dealing with legal issues because of a... I don't know if they killed him or they just severely beat him. Do you know why? I would assume because he fucked up. Improper landscape? I'm going to say maybe he didn't pull the right permits. Rick had to pay some fines, you know, for some, you know. He's like, you call this topsoil aeration? He said, well, it was in, it's in, he lives in. Please, Mr. Rick. He lives in Evander Holyfield's old house that's an hour outside of Atlanta that's like, you know, it's like 400 acres. It's like a giant. If these walls could talk, they'd say, stop hitting me. I mean, I imagine it's something like. You know how the beautiful outfield on a baseball diamond looks because it's just perfectly cut? Oh, yeah. It's someone's life's work. I imagine that Rick was looking for that, didn't get it, and somebody's paying. You know, somebody's paying. That makes sense. He wanted the Nissan Aria. He got the Kia Soul. That's exactly what it sounds like. I'd start swinging, too. Yeah, somebody's got to pay for this. Start shooting. Ask questions later. That's how we operate. We do have a guest today. A rare. Yeah, sorry that we have a guest today, but it is one that makes it all worth it. Normally we do our one-on-one episodes, but we wanted to make sure that this intro was a little extended. We did a half an hour intro, so... We gave you some bars. You jabronies got what you wanted. So, yeah, our guest today, Paul from Interpol, legendary band, legendary guy. We talk a lot about boxing, Krav Maga, coming to Brazil. and uh some cinema the works of paul thomas anderson we really cover cocaine we cover it all how are things on the west coast you know what i'm saying jason the only question is what song do i put at the end it's tough i mean i i'm i've been watching some old uh interpol performances and i gotta say man they really like it really holds up the music really holds up i've said this before on the podcast before this was in the works yeah i just think a lot of music from that era is like

Ain't nobody checking for clap your hands, say yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like this shit somehow holds up. I mean, you can tell they're selling out like giant shows and they put out new music. And on that note, we do apologize to Neon Indian for our slanderous words. I'm sure the album's going to be great. Did Neon Indian confront you? No, but Neon Army did a little bit. A little bit. There's Neon Army? That sounds like a Coachella chant. That's Steve Aoki's new EP. That's his collection of digital NFT foot soldiers that do his bidding. No, I mean, people who are just fans of just like, yo, watch. Yo, the new Neon Indian album is going to be better than fucking Toru Imwa's album. Okay, well, you know what? I hope you're right. I'll be the judge of that, and I can safely say that's absolutely not going to be the outcome, but thank you guys for letting us know. I love that's who you guys choose to defend. Of all the things we talk about in this podcast, You're rushing to defend Neon India. Not to make an Indian joke, but that's the hill you want to die on? Yeah, I mean, seriously. Anyway, how long gone? Great talk. Interpol is sharing the bill with DJ Them Jeans at Just Like Heaven Festival here in Los Angeles. Yeah, we're bookending that beautiful lineup. TJ up top at noon while you're still picking out what outfit you're going to wear. And then Interpol playing at midnight. You can hear Jason play 30 minutes of songs you wish you'd forgotten while he enjoys kind of an Egg McMuffin. And then come around to 11 p.m. The sun is down. You can kind of put on your suit, do a couple of bumps and have a nice Negroni while Interpol lulls you. Lulls you with their asymmetrical finger plugging. We get into their kind of ska influences on why their syncopated lead guitars are so. Jason can't wait for the Interpol dub. Remix. Don't give away the title of that. I would never. All right, you guys. How long gone? And also make sure you go to the Just Like Heaven festival here in Los Angeles. Low ticket alert, but Them Jeans has a high guest list alert. So if you are a close friend of mine and you would like to attend, send me a text.

Send me an email. If you don't have Jason's phone number but you have mine, do not text me because I don't really want to be the go-between on this. And if you're Golden Voice, and I know you're listening, we love you guys, GV. I love our Golden Voice family. I'm going to need some stage access for the Morrissey Festival as well. So if you guys could just kind of – do you guys do like Sweetgreen where I have an app and it just shows up? Yeah, the QR. I need the QR, and then I'm going to need the parking pass as well. I don't know if that – I'm going to need the code. Yeah, but Golden Voice, if you're listening, I am DJing from noon till 1230. That's right. So I'm thinking noon to 1230, we just put on a mix. There's a Spotify blog house playlist, and then TJ plays in between the shins and MIA or whatever it is to kind of, once the crowd is pumping, everyone is cleaning up all the blood and piss and broken bottles after the shins destroy the stage. And we need to kind of keep that energy going for MIA and everyone. Jason will pop out. He showed me, actually, he has five different Friends Ferdinand remixes kind of ready to play. Bloody Beetroots touched it. Justice, they touched it. You know what I mean? Who all blessed us with a remix? It's never ending. We could go on forever. Low ticket alert as well for Toronto, 513, the Great Hall. Our flights are booked. We're ready to visit. We have some incredible exclusive merchandise available for our Canadian friends. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We're going to go for a fucking rip. It has a sporting angle to it. That's all I'll say. That's all. I don't want to give it away. All right. How long gone? Paul Banks from Interpol. Thank you guys for joining us. We're back next week with more legends, of course. Nissan.com. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need a fucking something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. And, I mean, it...

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Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, so do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world, writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly, a website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools. So those future graduates can find me and, you know, I'm able to accept, quote unquote, donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new, you know, 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money. You know, show your investor all of your cool analytics of what's going on. They're going to want to get in early and we can use Blueprint AI to make your website look as professional. as your competition, if not more. Head to squarespace.com slash howlong for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code howlong to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Yeah, sorry about last time. My bad. Yeah, what happened with that, Paul? What's that? I mean, I like that where you just offered a simple my bad because that's kind of my flavor as well. Yeah, I'd love any detail around that would be great. I think I was just in Berlin and I was doing, I can't remember what it was, but just with the time zones, man, I get fucked up. Yeah, the time zones are fucked up. Yeah, being in LA has really made that a lot harder for me as well. When you're in New York, it's a little easier to process for some reason. I mean, I also put alarms in my phone, but then I feel like my phone, I don't know, man. It's like I have like 110 morning alarms and they seem to like blend in with like tomorrow you have to do this or in an hour.

I feel like I haven't once seen the notification of an appointment, even though I always plug it in. I just remember to go check. But I've never noticed my phone actually saying, you've got something to do today. These phones, man. These phones. You have calendar fatigue, perhaps. Perhaps, yeah. I'm actually between the gym and soundcheck. Oh, Paul, I know you've never listened to this podcast before, but we talk about working out almost exclusively. So I would love to hear. What the Paul Banks, where are you? Are you in Texas? Tempe. Tempe. What's the hotel gym looking like in Arizona? Because I'm not hopeful. Paul's a boxer. I box. Oh, okay, okay. One of my things on the road is to find boxing gyms. And today, well, yesterday I was in Austin, and I went to a gym that I've been to a couple times called Easley. I've been there over the years, and the owner is amazing, and I love working out there. And I left my... super expensive handmade Japanese winning boxing gloves behind. Anybody that listens and knows this brand, they're like, you can't even get them. They're fucking crazy. Shout the brand out. What's the brand? It's called Winning. Winning. Like Charlie Sheen style? Yes, exactly. So it's a Japanese handmade artisan boxing glove company called Winning. Yeah. I mean, I feel you probably seem like... I don't know if you'd even call it a poser, because I think people that know boxing know, like, yeah, they're fucking great, but they're really expensive. They're, like, prohibitively expensive, so it's a little bit possibly douchey. Does it fall into, like, the rich dick category? Yeah. They do, but at the same time... But they really do work and they perform well. It's not like a Maserati where it's like, all show, no go kind of thing. Yes, and I think real boxers would also say, oh yeah, they're dope. Can I ask you if there's a customization element to these? Do you pick all the materials? Is there your initials on the inside or anything? No, I mean, I think you can do that, but... yeah interestingly enough i feel like there's one distributor in america and it's a store called super rare where you guys now have one in la and there's one in new york and that's like the only place you can get them and right now for instance they're sold out of every everything by that company is unavailable at the new york store and the only thing you can do is like go on their website and like put your email

next to whatever item and they're like we don't even know when they come in it's like this company just like sends a shit and then we have the stuff but like yeah it's that sort of the schedule is whenever they feel like it we will sell it yeah it's like buying a porsche yeah are you guys howard stern fans by any chance oh the goat of course all right well one little bit of triv is uh Do you happen to know Marianne from Brooklyn? Yeah, yeah, yes, of course. Yes, yes. For our listeners who don't know, could you give a brief explanation? A reoccurring character. She's a woman with a very high-pitched sort of like Long Island or Brooklyn accent, and they always play like a crow sound effect whenever she calls in, but she's been calling in for like 20 years. She's pretty beloved. Anyway, her son is the guy who runs Super Rare. shit wow it ties all the way back to the to the king of all media doesn't it it's a it's a spider chart so well well my question now is is is your tour manager is he having to track these gloves down are you kind of doing the dirty work yourself tour manager dude that's right baby all right good great answer great answer i was you know because we can't you you have to focus you know what i mean you still have to get the workout so are you able to do a workout and unfortunately some borrowed myths is that what we had to do today It was kind of funny, actually, because I went to this place. It's almost like a, I don't want to say like an OCD gym, but there was like, it was the only place I've ever been to where they like walked me through the rules and the rules were like crazy specific. And then every piece of gear in the whole gym had a sign next to it. If you touch this fan, we will kick you out. If you don't put your weights back more than twice, we will kick you out. So you went to a narc gym. Yeah. Like every single piece of gear had a sign that says like, this is for the trainers. Don't fucking touch it. Don't fucking touch this. Don't do this. Don't do like, but ever like signs. There's one treadmill that you're allowed to use in the entire gym. Trainers only drinking fountain section. It's all there. You had to have a towel.

so they sold me a $2 sweat towel because you can't be in the gym without a towel. I've suffered from that on the road before. I've had to buy the disposable towel before. I know exactly what you're talking about. Nobody said the road was easy, guys. People that train are slobs, and I get it. It's a really hot place, so I think they have a lot of it. It just has to do with protecting their gear. But as it just happened, one of the rules was specifically you can't hit any of the bags without gloves. Okay. I've trained with... pros who hit heavy bags with no gloves as a way to develop their knuckles or you could put wraps on. Then I was like, well, what about, you know, today just so happens to be the first day I don't have fucking gloves. They won't lend me gloves. And they're the only gym I've ever been to in the whole world that has an explicit policy that you can't hit any of the bags, including one that's called a double end bag, which like, again, anybody that boxes knows you can definitely fucking use a double end bag without gloves. You can use it with or without. It's pussy only boxing is what this sounds like. I was hating on it when I first got there because I was just kind of having a grumpy day when I realized I'd lost my gloves. But to be honest with you, it's actually a cool gym and the equipment. Paul came around. Paul came around. Yeah, no, it's cool. Like I say, I appreciate a place that has like, you got to have rules because people will fuck up your gym and like, you know, it is what it is. It's true. So I will, I will actually shout it out. It's called Iron Gloves Boxing in Tempe and it's actually a very good gym. Those guys listen. Well, are you, you mentioned like being in a grumpy mood. Are you the type? a person where you're like chris and i you know we work out we don't do boxing so we don't exactly know the the mindset that you you're in but like when you show up and you're like all right i have one hour to do this workout and if you show up and there's all this friction and like oh it doesn't work out and you have to do this and this and this is are you okay with that or is it paul kind of starts having an eye twitch if he doesn't get his his uh his bag session in you know what i mean on tour we call it the ambulance okay

And I call the ambulance a lot, man. So that's when you turn into an annoying motherfucker when you don't get your hits in? Just change baby diapers is the other thing that we talk about. Because on tour, you don't have control over your environment that you normally do when you wake up in the same place every day. So every day you've got to kind of find out where you're going to have coffee, where you're going to eat, where you're going to work out. generally i think we're all pretty resilient people but sometimes it's just like that last thing that does make your eye twitch like as i say like today it was like i've discovered right before i went that i didn't have my gloves and then when i got there it's the only gym in the world that won't let you do anything without gloves so i was twitchy but i'm you were having a day you were having it if you were holding a glass of chardonnay at the time you might smash it in your hands or the pencil in your hand will snap so okay it's something that i work on a lot is dealing with those little disappointments and holding on to negative emotions is something that i actually am like really working on at the moment so i definitely feel like uh it'd be a quite a failing if i then walked around sort of like stinky face so no i like just got my sweat i mean i was there to shadow i can shadow boxing is one of the hardest things in boxing because it just takes a lot of concentration and it's like not fun and you don't get the gratification of like hitting anything but it's like contact super important element crazy cardio too right yeah if you do it right you can really tie yourself out and it also like you have to be envisioning your opponent so there's actually this whole like mental element that is is hard so plus they had a bunch of weights and shit so i was it was totally fine it was Groovy. Who put you on to the boxing? It sounds like this wasn't a fluke, or was it a fluke, or did somebody be like, I think this would be great for you, you know, personality-wise? I always wanted to fight, like, since I was a little kid. I wanted, like, you know, Karate Kid was my childhood, so I think I always wanted, like, there was something very special about fighting. So I did, like, karate in college. I did Krav Maga after college. And then my girlfriend, like, 14 years ago.

was training boxing and so i was thinking i want to do mma or krav maga but then i just did a session with uh this boxing coach and kind of like it just clicked that you know the i think with krav maga i was like group classes and shit and i fucking don't like group classes and when i realized that i could kind of use a physical trainer and get one-on-one and learn a skill and just like you know i've sunk a shitload of money into boxing but I really like the one-on-one thing where you're going to evolve as fast as you evolve. You know, it's not like regulated to the, like, whatever the core of the class is doing. It's like where you are at. So I've just been obsessed, man. It's like, I think people get the bug with tattoos. I think boxing is another thing where people just get the bug and I got the bug. For the Krav Maga stuff, do you still remember some of those fucked up moves? Because that's kind of like someone's pointing a gun at you and then... you do it now, now you're holding the gun and they don't know what happened kind of vibe. I think it might have some of that stuff. It is, I believe it's like Israeli military developed it and it's supposed to be sort of, yeah, like hand to hand. And I think, I think it does involve the other person having a weapon, but I think it kind of has to do with just like killing and or incapacitating somebody really fast with your hands. Yeah. I think that's the gist. The best, easiest way to just end someone's life with your bare hands without coming. Get her done. It's funny. It's funny because those guys are often trying to solicit business on the street with like a rave flyer style system. Yeah. Krav Maga, over here, guys. Yeah, yeah. It's like comedy in the West Village. If you're going to teach me how to kill someone, I think I would want to walk in on my own accord. You know what I mean? But I didn't know it was that violent. I don't know. Or lead with that. Don't bury the lead. Krav Maga, I don't know what that is. I don't speak Russian. You're like. I'm going to tell you how to kill people, and you're like, all right, here's my Dell. I have Venmo as well if you want to. Two fingers. Well, Paul, speaking of the cardio of shadow boxing, have you found out a way to train boxing, which is very much involving cardio, have you found a way to kind of train boxing and still smoke cigarettes okay? I mean, it's funny. A couple points on that one.

I remember a few instances in my career. Once I was in L.A. at a place called Fortune, and a trainer in there was like, I was like, yeah, I got to quit smoking because it's like the one thing holding me back in my boxing. And he's like, I don't know, man. Smoking's not that big a deal. And in Berlin, I'm working with a guy who's Turkish. He runs a very famous gym in Berlin actually called Izzy Gym, or just like it's like known in the boxing community over there. and he fucking just walks outside and smokes smoke wafting he's an ex-professional fighter my turkish homies love a cig yeah they love cigs bro and this guy just will fuck you up man he's really crazy fit for his age and everything and he's smoking anyway i quit smoking okay it was one of these things where i feel like if you're running three miles every other day And smoking, I think smoking isn't helping you, but I feel like you maybe have better cardio than someone who doesn't smoke, who doesn't run three miles every other day. I like how you've made this work for you. This is great psychology that you've talked yourself into. My brain does the same thing. I mean, as I say, I have quit smoking. So I think one of the things I was doing was I was sort of trying to get myself more and more invested into boxing so that it would make less and less sense that I was a smoker. then it's like okay well if i've plateaued in my ability now and i've got this one big thing i could do to then like let my level raise up which is like stop fucking smoking and yeah you i totally noticed it in my like um And my stamina, for sure. I mean, that's a smart way to quit smoking. Just kind of paint the cigs into a corner and they got nowhere to hide. Yeah. Stamp them out. I saw the Northmen last night. You know about this movie? Oh, yeah. I'm hearing mixed things. I don't know. What is your official review? Firstly, do we know what this guy did? I feel like he made another movie. Did he make The Witch? You talking about the director? Because it's Skarsgård's in it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's Skarsgård, yeah. No, I'm not a big cinema guy, you know what I mean? But I hear people talking about this. Robert Eggers. Oh, it's Eggers. Okay, yeah, he's very well known. He did do The Witch. Okay. He did The Lighthouse, The Witch. Okay, so The Lighthouse just didn't click with me. I didn't, like, get that film. That's the black and white.

That's the black and white A24 with Pattinson. Willem Dafoe, R. Pat, yeah. You might be the only person who saw that movie, Paul. Dude, people love that movie, and I kind of feel like, what are we talking about? I don't know. I like Lighthouse as much as the next guy, but we don't need two hours of it. I commend the artfulness of it, but I don't know what I was watching. Look, if you're going to do black and white, I'm already mad. I'm a little bit like, all right, bro. This better be good. Yeah, like you're setting yourself up to lose with most people, even if it's like you got Pattinson, you got Willem Dafoe, it's A24. It's still an uphill climb if you're doing black and white. Okay, so the Northmen, that's a Viking revenge flick with Alexander and Bill Skarsgård. Yeah. And Bjork. Bjork's in that bitch. Okay, because I know who her character was because I was wondering, is this Bjork? But she actually looks oddly young. This lady looks familiar. But she looks a little like something in the makeup. I was like, that can't be Bjork because this woman looks like she's in her 30s. So I don't know. She must be looking real good. Hollywood's crazy, man. Bjork got the Biotox. Do not. That's good stuff right there, Paul. Should we end this on a high note? We're going to walk out of here. So you saw the Northmen alone in a theater in Arizona last night. That sounds, you know, tour is glamorous. I just want people to understand that. Days off are Italian food and movies. That's the day off routine. Now, was this actually just you or did the whole squad go check out the movie? No, usually it's me and the bassist, Brad. Go get a caprese and some pasta. and then go catch a flick. So when you say days off are for Italian food and movies, you weren't lying. That's the routine. There's like a whole menu that we look for as well. Oh, really? Like a hyper-specific... So you'd go for the caprese and the margarita? What is the... Which region of Italy are you focused on? That's a good question. It's more like full American comfort food, but I like a good caprese and a bolognese.

That's the day off situation. Got it, got it, got it. So you've earned your appetite. You've earned the caprese. It's either that or like a burger because on a show day, you can't like the way that the time works. It's like I don't want to eat like a huge bowl of pasta before the show and I don't want to eat a huge bowl of pasta after the show. So it's like, you know, I just treat myself. Are these all things that you considered 20 years ago or are these things that you have to consider now that we're a little bit older? How much were you eating before a show or after a show? I mean, it's more of just like I've been doing a thing long enough to where you can learn from your mistakes and you remember the pros and cons and, like, do that and don't do that. I mean, I don't want to deglamorize the whole thing, but, you know, like the calories, the thousands of calories in vodka and beer that I don't consume anymore, you know, have to come from somewhere when I'm on the road. Oh, you're anti-hydrogen. So you're full sober then? I smoke good weed. So this guy does like Italian. Exactly. He wasn't kidding about the Italian stuff. Which is the ultimate drug to do. No calories, no hangover, and it frees your mind. Amen. That's the idea. It can be habit-forming, and it can turn into a nasty little oxy-hobbit. But that's rare. I don't think at this age, if you're smoking grass, look, I don't want to project, Paul, but I feel like you're pretty experienced in the dark arts. You know what I mean? You've been around the block. I think you know at a certain age, you can smoke grass and that's where it's going to end. You know what I mean? Because you've had the life experience before that. Well, I mean, and honestly, in my heyday, when I was into heavier shit and getting wasted all the time, Weed would be the sort of thing I would be doing on a night when I wasn't going to get fucked up. So it was actually kind of like – It was your Italian food. It was your Italian food, if you will. I'm going to have a little throat coat and watch Friends. That was your – But also, you know, when I'm – after half an eight ball, I don't want to have bolognese before or after anything. That's the last thing I want. Yeah, that's the thing. I want to have a bowl of menthols. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Yeah, I feel like you, I mean, you guys really did, though. I mean, I'm glad to hear you've stopped smoking. I think that's a hard one, you know what I mean? Because, you know, you were living a lifestyle, and it was part of the whole, I just feel like it's part of the whole deal. And nowadays, I don't think it's as part of the whole deal for people coming up, you know what I mean, that are a younger generation. I feel like that lifestyle. Yeah, when we were at Coachella last weekend, a girl came up, and we were having a SIG backstage, and she was like, oh, you guys are smoking. That's so, like. classic americana vibes like our cigarettes back and i'm like what the fuck are you talking about bitch yeah it was a very funny like that's how young people look at smoking like a like a novel old-timey americana thing and it's like you know a billion dollar industry oh i mean we're probably similar age you know what i mean the three of us and we lived through the the heyday of in a similar time and i just feel like that you know the word wellness didn't exist yet you know what i mean it's it's a there wasn't nobody was nobody was doing yoga at the time and i think that is completely shifted even at like the highest levels which is kind of Like for me who like if Oasis is my favorite band, part of the lore of Oasis is the partying. Like that's part of the whole thing is that like these guys were doing it all, burning it at every end for a long time. And now, you know, we're just we're not going to get that. Imagine Dragons. Those guys aren't partying. You know what I'm saying? Or if they are partying, it's not part of the fort. You know, it's not part of the mystique. It's more like hidden. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Dude, I smoked on airplanes, dog. Did you really? Yeah, dude. So I might be older than you because I did that. You smoked as a child? Like, what are we talking about, dude? I started smoking since I was 15. Wow. Yeah, we talk about smoking on a plane pretty often on this podcast, actually. If I saw a 15-year-old kid smoking a cigarette on an airplane, I'd be like, who the fuck is this little kid? Yeah, that's a big flex. With your parents, like, they put you in coach and you're smoking six.

I think, I mean, I must have been flying around by myself, yeah, because I don't remember flying. No, I certainly wasn't, like, sitting next to my folks smoking cigarettes. No. Well, that's fine. I mean, because I reminisce to the times where you can smoke a cigarette inside of a bar, and that seems like such a bygone era. But the plane thing, I didn't even know that was something that was available, you know, for people in our age. I just thought that was happening in the 70s, you know? Oh, yeah. like humphrey bogart was doing it no man it was like did you take the concord as well did you ever take the concord no no coming back they're gonna yeah they're bringing it back i can't wait but i mean yeah yeah yeah yeah that's we're working on us the whole rumor i mean i know i mean but look like flying business class is like a whole like life decision you know like do i want to start a college fund or whatever like no take this fucking business class seat don't front on us you haven't flown in a coach you haven't flown coach in 10 years minimum regardless of whether or not i can afford business i'm flying business because i because i can't yeah as soon as you're in that lay flat seat in delta one or whatever it is you're like i can't go back i can't ever go back even if i even if it's the only thing i spend money on that's what i'll spend money on but the concord i like where your head's at concord is a whole other thing dude that's like 10 grand minimum him on with some insanity we'll do it for your birthday every year paul oh cool speaking of uh of stern and uh and ufc does that mean you're kind of a rogues listener you and joe putting up numbers what's up um you know it's funny like before he blew up blew up and like before the spotify thing there was a window of time where i was like yeah i kind of discovered him on youtube and i was like watching I'm trying to think of some interviews that impressed me back in the day. I mean, he had some really good interviews. I sort of switched over to other podcasts a little bit more. I like Lex Friedman, who I feel like he's part of the Rogan extended posse. Like if Rogan went to college. I mean, Friedman is a professor at MIT, I think, in AI. He went to real colleges. He didn't go to Glendale Community College. You know what I mean? He's much smarter, but...

Less charismatic, perhaps. Have you been invited to do Rogan, though? That's the real question. No, I don't think I'm on his radar. RZA was on there once, and I don't want to reveal too much, but I did make a joke to my manager. RZA mentioned me, actually, and Joe's reaction was just not like... He glazed over? It wasn't even that he heard and was like, I'm a fan or I'm not a fan. It was like the word, and I kept like... yelling, they're like, RZA, say it louder. I mean, RZA does have a bit of a speech impediment, so, you know, when he said in a poll, he was like, I don't know. I think Rogan's just not a big fan. I don't think he read his speech. No, no, no. Because you can tell when he's kind of faking it, like, oh, yeah, those guys rock, love those guys, you know. And he was just a full... Who did... Oh, Matty Matheson, our buddy Matty, who's a chef, he did it. and he kind of told us the whole story you know what i mean he was like bro it's fucking crazy you know you go to the strip mall and it's like a whole thing and you walk in he like he broke it down he's the only person i've ever talked to that like broke down the whole experience you know what i mean but like that shit is like career making depending on who you are at this point that's how big it is it's fucking crazy yeah yeah i feel like a lot of people have come out of that you're right like their public profiles but that's what i thought was interesting like was it big of an audience as he has he does pick some some interesting cats to talk to Where are you guys coming from? What was it that you do before this podcast took off? Ultimate Fighting? Mostly, I actually used to be in the music business. I manage bands, but I work in fashion mostly, like as a consultant with different brands on different things, and still do that. But Jason's an OG podcast. I used to be a DJ, and I actually used to throw this party in Hollywood that you guys would come. and smoke cigs at way back in the day at a place called Cinespace. Okay, yeah. Like Hollywood and Cahuenga-ish area. I remember whenever you guys were in town, you'd come in and, you know, kick the tires. I feel like I got... Yeah, I feel like I might have had... Yeah, never mind. You feel like you got high there? We all did? I think I've been, yeah. You've been there. We've all been there. Anton Newcomb would DJ with like Ariel Pink and shit like way back in the day. Oh, that's really cool. He's a trip, man. Anton's a trip.

Okay. They just played, they just played LA. They just did like a couple of shows in LA. And it was like, somebody was telling me they were doing three and a half hours, like dead style. I don't need to see that. I do not need to see that. He does his own thing, man. That guy's a real one of a kind. That's a great way to put it. He does do his own thing. I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy that that movie came out and it was so good and like such a thing, the documentary. And it like didn't do, I don't think it really did shit for their career. you know even though the story was so good great doc great doc like kind of like early days of that whole thing but i think the music was still a little too tough for people you know to get into yeah i mean it that makes me just wonder though like how many things help bands other than just their you know like You hear about bands going on SNL. Have there really been bands that got broken via a documentary or broke big because they did one TV performance or something? I feel like there's never really this secret. The only one I can think of in recent memory is the Maggie Rogers Pharrell NYU video. That's a great vid, man. Where she plays the song and he cried. That's literally her career. That's a good example. She's been able to back it up. Now it's like TikTok. It's a little bit of a... different i mean i think back in the day an snl thing it would get people talking you know what i mean but i don't know if it would like really move the needle i don't know if it did move the needle man on on on sales how many did you you guys did it right well no we've never done snl what that's crazy yeah so that's why i tried to diminish its influence You're like, that shit's whack, bro. That didn't do anything for Drake. That didn't do anything for Lizzo, bro. No, hell no. That's kind of crazy you guys never did it, man. Yeah, because I know you've been at like Bar 13 with Jimmy Fallon on a Sunday night. I mean, that's crazy to me that he didn't make something happen. Dude, I would agree that I'm surprised we never did it. But I think those late night, because that's like what I use YouTube for, is basically watching all the bands that I like.

play on letterman in 1996 you know what i mean and that that's like what i use youtube for you should try doing that high bro yeah i'm sure it's it's crazy it's crazy who has played on like letter like some big thing you know it's always a surprise is my point do you like the performances though do they sound good um i think it's every once in a while it's like you for every lemon heads on jenny jones you know what i mean or like wilco in their am era on letterman it's a lot of duds but the the uk like jules holland like those shows yeah you can see some crazy shit like you know more morrissey and the smiths at that era like everybody pulp blur you know that whole hope's first song yeah first single that era of tv where it was like the fake crowd, you know what I mean? They like pants the crowd. It's all the kids cheering and shit. That's when it's probably at its best. And, and now it's like, it's, it feels low energy to me now. It's very low energy. That's interesting. You know, I mean, Jules Holland is a special, is a special example though. They really go the extra mile and it's a super vibey space. Like we've done Jules Holland a couple of times. It's like, you know, all the bands are in the same room facing each other. And it's, it's cool. I mean, you guys, you guys broke in Europe first, right? I mean, I feel like the strokes broke in Europe first. And that meant that there was a lot of interest on New York bands. And also our first label was a Scottish label. So yeah, we had an EP out over there. And then our first big show was in France, which is unrelated to strokes phenomena, I think, for the most part. We just got lucky and we got on this big bill on a festival in France because somebody canceled last minute. And we played to like... 20,000, I think, really, really early on. That was a good start. 20,000, that's a lot, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a lot. No, because I just think that growing up, when you like all the British music and shit, it was a little confusing to be like, why do they, on a mass scale, like all this stuff that's good and cool? And in America, we don't really do that. You know, one slips through the cracks here and there, and that, you're...

the strokes interpol that era was when that happened probably the biggest in our lifetime when like good music was really popular as well and it's just such a cultural difference i think you know what i mean just like i mean the appreciation for it and i feel like there was probably an overlap in time where hip-hop was really before everybody knew it was the predominant influence in the u.s i feel like it was already the prominent you know the biggest yeah most vivid alive genre whereas in England and Europe, they were still going to rock festivals and like rock had a much, you know, had a more of a home still in the nineties when I think, you know, hip hop was already kind of taken over in the States. But it is interesting to think about rock bands between England and the U S and it's like a lot of them turns out came from England, man. A lot of the big boys. Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, and it's, I don't know. It's just a funny, it's just when you look at it and you know, they have their own issues, I'm sure. And like, you know, they would also, Like, the NME era, they would just, like, build up and then destroy bands in, like, a one-month period. You know what I mean? It was, like, it's not normal the way they do it, like, to us. Like, if you're keen with a K? Yeah, it's, like, or even, I mean, even, like, the Libertines and that whole thing. Like, those guys, I mean, it was insane. They were, like, a household name. And, like, listen to that music. Like, that is, I love it, but there's no fucking way that would ever cross over in that way in America. There's just no way. No matter how many celebrities you date and shit, people just can't be interested. It's just not going to work. The music has to be at least listenable. Yeah, or at least palatable, I think, is a better word for a larger audience. Paul, speaking of the Strokes playing out of the country, how do you guys do down in South America, Mexico? Is it very night and day? I know Strokes and Metallica, Iron Maiden, bigger bands. When they go play in South America, it's a lot crazier. Yeah, we do. Yeah, they do like the rock and roll down there. It's pretty great. But it's a certain type of... I don't know what it is. I don't know why of all the bands like Strokes and Interpol seems to do so well in Mexico and South America. What do you think that is? Brazil is big too. Come to Brazil, Paul. Yeah. Yeah. I see that in the comments a lot.

But Mexico, I graduated high school in Mexico, and we had one leg up. I had somebody sort of point out to me that that seems quite narcissistic to think that that would have that much of an impact, which gave me some pause. I mean, I did basically, someone at one point told me that someone that had gone to my high school had then gone straight on to college radio and we dropped our first record. He was sort of promoting the band a lot. This guy lives down here and he speaks Spanish. And then when we go to play in Mexico, you know, I would talk to the crowd with a Mexican accent and all the slang and shit. And I felt like I always thought it sort of made us particularly kind of one of them because like a lot of my best friends are from Mexico and like some of the most influential people I've ever known are from there. had a really influential period of time. But I think it probably just has to do with more that they just like a certain type of rock. I think they're big into The Cure. I think they're big into Morse. They're big into us. I wonder how much fashion plays into it as well. Yeah. Because you guys all have a specific aesthetic. Yeah, that's true. And if you can take that and combine it with you being able to say... Orale Wei into a microphone. One-two punch. It's game over. It's game over at that point. TKO, we're calling. We're playing a soccer stadium once you utter that into the microphone. But these things are kind of tough to figure out because also like Japan, I feel like it's a market where you could be, you know, you either break it or you don't. And I think there are bands, like, I think the Strokes are pretty huge there, but we never really, really hit it big. Yeah, because I feel like over in Japan, they just like to celebrate the arts. Yeah. And they're just grateful that, like, someone, anyone is coming to their little island in the middle of the ocean. I will say this, though, with the Strokes. I think that they feel more American, and I think that that translates to Japan. Whereas you guys are global citizens. You're global citizens, yeah. You guys feel like a band of the world, you know what I mean, where the Strokes are like, we're wearing Levi's and we're from New York City, you know, and that's like our shit. Yeah, they're slightly more like Iggy Pop Garage-y. Yeah, exactly, which speaks more American. Yeah, it could be that. Paul, the new record has some songs that have very cinematic, very well-done videos.

kind of during a time 2022 where video budgets and videos are kind of a lot more on the on the gorilla run and gun style where are you guys getting these budgets or where did you like how are you making these videos that look like fucking movies well thank you for one um secondly i mean we are with a great label matador is a great record company and i think they really are in it for you know the art and they're in it for projects that they believe in And I think they just felt like it would make a good, you know, just a strong impression and kind of like a, I think they're also looking to do things, you know, you got to get heard above all the noise and you got to like bring attention to releases. And I think they just had a good kind of out of the box thought process on like, let's do a two part thing and like drop two songs in quick succession and sort of like. Super Service, The Audience. Super Service. They also chose two low-key tracks on the record, two piano songs to be the lead-off songs to introduce the record to people with, which I thought was an interesting decision because there's other more rock, more traditional single-sounding music on this record. When you say that was an interesting decision, does that mean it was a wrong decision or just like, hmm, interesting? Unexpected. Okay. So you didn't disagree with it? No, because I also think it's a game where like, man, who the fuck knows, dude? Who the fuck knows how to promote or sell records? I don't know anymore than the next person next to me what's going to be the single that takes off. Well, and even if it's like, maybe it's not about taking off as much as just getting people talking and engaging. And so I felt like, I think they chose two songs that are very mature songs on a record. And I think it's just like gives the audience something to chew on. Like, is it a... piano record are they you know is this like indicative of where they're going or some people say oh they changed too much some people saying like you know thank thankfully this is not the same as what we're used to from this band so i think just like lots of angles but there's no right way to really play it it's just like you know play it the best way you think you can yeah and then we worked with this awesome artist named ben alpert who you guys might know from from the la scene um and he's just really like we we had some conversations about what we're going to do to make the videos

cinematic, and just kind of bonded on video history, you know, shared videos that we both love from growing up, like Blur. So, yeah, specifically music videos. What are some old faves? We talked about Aphex Twin, Radiohead, Blur. We've been talking about the Director's Cut DVD series, which these all fall into that, I believe. Chris Cunningham, Spike Jonze, that whole series of DVDs and how we would all watch music videos like it was a TV show over and over and over. But those are winners from that era, for sure. Dude, I think it's Cunningham who did the Bjork one with the cyborg robots having sex. Yeah, for sure. You watch that today and it looks fucking amazing. That shit was way ahead, really. Really dope. Sometimes those guys were too far ahead, some would say. I mean, honestly, though, that's the problem sometimes. I mean, that's when it's timeless. Yeah, no, you're right. That's why we're still talking about it now. That's for sure. One of those guys, Grazer or Glazer, went on to make Sexy Beast, too. He graduated from videos. I mean, a lot of those guys did back then. I mean, I think that's what's cool now is like the PTA, like Heim thing. I think that's cool. Like, once you... don't need to do it anymore and you make music videos for fun with artists that you like or that you're friends with, I feel like that'd be fun as a director to go back and do after you're successful. Actually, PTA came up with Van Alpert. He's a big fan of that guy. And I didn't know he was making music videos until I spoke with Van Alpert about it. Did you like Licorice Pizza? I did. I actually really did. I think for me, it was just like, oh, this is a movie that's not trying to make a statement. It's just fun to watch, and it's good. You know what I mean? It's too long, but everything's fucking too long. It was probably my least favorite PTA film. Right. I don't know if I'm too close to it. Yeah, Jason's in LA. I live in the valley. Lifelong LA guy. He just feels a little too close to it. I mean, I think that the...

There's parts of it that I was like, why is this in here? But overall, I was like, this was fun to watch, and I didn't have to think about anything, and there's no message in today's world. I think that's kind of refreshing. Honestly, it is. It's like some smooth brain entertainment with good music. I'm happy with that. No depth, no substance injected into your veins. What do you think about it, Paul? I thought it was visually really original. It just felt really original. It felt very effortless. and original. And, um, just while we were talking about, I just remembered Bradley Cooper, which I think was a real high point for me. No, amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Bradley Cooper. He killed it. Yeah, no, I mean, I guess that's part of the reason movies like that can be a little meandering and shit is to allow for Bradley Cooper in all white. You know what I mean? What are we going to do? Cut Bradley? Yeah, you can't cut Brad. You know, he did this for scale. You know what I mean? We can't cut him. We can't cut him out. That's Brad. Yeah, Paul, have you done any cameos in films? No, I mean, I had one guy who was making a movie. So we did like a teaser trailer. We shot some scenes from it and cut that into a trailer as a means for him to try and get funding, but it never came together. I am interested in acting. I love cinema so much, I feel like any kind of way I could participate, to be honest with you, I'm interested. So scoring, acting, directing. Driving the golf cart. Luckily, we have a lot of pretty high-powered Hollywood types that listen to the show, and they're going to hear your call. I'm good. Appreciate that. Thank you. Just promise you don't join the union, all right? That's the one thing we ask, Paul. That's all we can do, man. That's all we can do. I guess, speaking of timeless stuff, I think that the music that you guys make is still very timeless when we all listened to the records when they came out originally, but in preparation of you coming on, I was listening back to all the tunes, and it still hits you. It's still fresh. It's still timeless, and I think that's a really hard thing to do, and I was wondering, is it something that you can kind of consciously

create timeless music or timeless anything? Or is it just something that has to happen kind of magically and spontaneously that you don't have any control over? Well, thank you. I don't know the answer to that. I do feel like the one thing I've always had a sense of is that everybody that I was working with was inspired with what they were doing. And in Interpol in particular, I've always been able to have a kind of reactive role. So Daniel presents these chord progressions. And so I'm writing top line vocal melodies to, you know, these chord progressions that exist, you know, it's, it's not sitting there with a blank canvas. It's really being triggered by somebody else's music to then sort of like, kind of like toss the ball back in a way. And I've always just felt like anytime that that comes easy to me and that I'm inclined to do it because the music is speaking to me, then that's always a good indicator. And I feel like you can just kind of tell like if Sam is really feeling what he's doing and same with Carlos, our original bassist. So it's like, we haven't yet made a record where we weren't feeling it or it wasn't feeling to me to be authentic and genuinely inspired it's never been something of like fuck man what do we do i got no ideas never had to force it it doesn't it has never been forced and it still feels really kind of organic and authentic to me and it still is fun so i think that's the only i think if that feeling went away i would start to feel like well maybe we're not doing cool shit anymore but that's really the only problem i have other you know it's just to like believe in it that's what i have okay Have you done any solo side projects, ambient records, something like that that nobody knows about? I mean, the probably least known thing is my mixtape. Everybody on my dick like they're supposed to be. What? Okay. Is RZA involved in this or is this just kind of a you thing? Everybody's on my dick like they're supposed to be. Like they're supposed to be. That's pre-RZA, yeah. Okay, so what's going on with this mixtape? So the deal there is when I was working on my first solo record years ago, I got the program Logic, and I was teaching myself how to just use it and use MIDI stuff, and I was making kind of like electronic music just as a way to practice how I was going to use this software when I recorded my live instruments.

And I really loved doing that, actually. I really got a kick out of it. And so then years later, I realized I'd had all this music from a time in my life when I was just really just being purely creative with no game plan. And then I wanted to put that music out. So my manager at the time said, why don't you do a mixtape? And so I then got a couple of rappers on it. I got LP from Run the Jewels. I got Mike G from Off Future. I got Talib Kualiz on there. What? I got High Priest from a favorite band, Mike, on Anti-Pop Consortium. And then the title comes from a painting I did of, do you guys remember the movie Cobra? Yeah. With Stallone? Stallone, yeah. So I paint portraits of the kind of like secondary actors from movies of my childhood. I painted the Latin American gentleman who robs the supermarket with a shotgun at the beginning of Cobra. We all know him. Yes, of course. He's got an amazing face. So I painted him. Okay. And then there was some negative space on the canvas. And I put this quote that I read from Rick Ross, where an XXL magazine, they said to him, Hey man, you have a number, another number one hit. How do you feel? And his answer was everybody on my dick. Like they supposed to be. And I was like, I don't know if anyone has ever said a greater thing than that. No, that is poetic. That really is poetic. This is the most multimedia encapsuling kind of body of life thesis kind of thing all rolled into one. I love it. So bring it all together. So then that painting became the artwork for the mixtape. Of course. And that's how the name became that. What did Pitchfork give this mixtape, Paul? Like 0.1. And they were like, basically, they just said, like, fuck this dude and everything he does, except for bright lights. Which is a good record. He did that one shit, we really liked that one thing, but the rest of this stuff, this guy's got to stop. This guy's got to stop. And I think they just copy-paste that same review for everything I do.

I like the multimedia experience of this. You really painted a picture, no pun intended. You took us down a long road, and I'm glad we followed you there. But I love the music on that mixtape. You can hear it on YouTube. It really is something that I also feel like it's very pure, actually. There's no mix engineer between me and what you're hearing. It's actually just me and my laptop, and that's what you're hearing. Raw banks. And so this was like hip-hop beats. It wasn't like dance music. I heard it as hip-hop, but other people have told me it's more just like electronic. Okay, just electronic. Okay, well, I mean, because I was thinking of your music, you know, there's like that Joy Division, like reggae dub album called Jaw Division. I think that your music, you know, obviously a lot of similarities with Joy Division in terms of tone and everything. I would like to hear like a reggae dub kind of reinterpretation of an Interpol album. Have you ever thought about that? And second question, would you call it Obstacle 420? God damn it. yes and to answer your question yes okay all of the above is daniel a reggae guy yeah and a ska like um yeah oh like like good ska yeah second wave that's actually been kind of an influence that's been discussed in rehearsals in our band from day one actually so it's actually not that much of a stretch yeah i mean some of those guitar lines yeah it's it's skanking yeah it's it's in there it's fucking skanking man that's the That's Jason's review of your entire catalog. That shit is skanky, bro. I like it when you take something like, hey, I'll take this one element of ska music, a genre that is not super favorable in the eyes of many people, and I'm going to take the one good part about it, extract it and put it into this thing, and give the world something that has never happened, and they don't even realize it's in there. But also, when people deconstruct or write criticism of music, I think it's... it can all be very specific in the deconstruction but in the actual writing of it you know we don't sit there and talk about like let's you know emulate this or that genre or let's try and bring these elements together maybe some artists do but we are not that you know we're much more just like go on instinct definitely other artists yeah no yeah it's all subconscious i've worked with them where it is like really conscious like what they're gonna you know what flavors they're gonna bring and like we're gonna gonna try and do but we really have never done that

That's because you guys are cool and good. Yeah. And you have a good manager who didn't say like, all right, let's do like a Coldplay kind of one for the last song on the album. Yeah. So do you live in Berlin part-time? Is that the deal? It could be full-time. Yes, it is. So New York and Berlin is your split. Yeah, my girlfriend's in Berlin, so I've been spending a lot of time there. Did you do some real estate investing over there, or is this just strictly for fun? No real estate investing over there. I was looking into it, actually, because I do love Berlin, and there's some really lovely areas, but it's complicated if you're not. German. Yeah, yeah. Tough to get a loan. Yeah, sure. Don't play dumb with us. We know you don't need a loan, Paul. Come on. Cash offer. I don't know which band you think you're talking about. Cash offer. We do okay. No, no, no. We were just joking about this because I don't understand Berlin, but I feel like you've cracked it. So maybe I just need Paul's guide. Paul's a good advocate for Berlin. Yeah, you're an advocate. You're on the front lines. Have you been? What's the, uh, Oh, I've been, it's a reoccurring theme on the show. How much I disliked it. Um, just, I just, I don't know, man. I mean, I just, I mean, I'm sure if I would have gone there when I was 21, it would have been a fucking amazing, but if you're sober and all you really want to do is like work out, actually went to a crazy gym in Berlin. That was like a metal vibe played like extreme music. Everybody looked really extreme, but they were actually very nice. But yeah, overall, I found the German people to be a little abrasive for me, you know? Yeah. But that's a known entity. So maybe what you spend time there, you just crack. Chris is from like a sleepy southern town. I'm from Atlanta. I'm from Atlanta. It's oil and water for those Germans. You know, it's a little bit of a, you know, there's a politeness disconnect, I would say. I think I totally know what you're talking about. Yeah. And it actually reminds me there was like a gym in Dublin I went to that was like a straight up nightclub. craziest you know dark velvet curtains and fucking like really it's odd the way that gyms get done in other places what's your workout thing that you guys talk about i'm just super we're just super into fitness basically uh we play tennis a lot he's got a trainer he's doing a lot of stuff i'm i'm into like kettlebells and kind of mobility training knees over toes

if you're familiar with that. I know the knees over toes guy, yeah. Okay. You know, we found out there's rumors that the knees over toes guy is actually a Scientologist because he is based in Clearwater. Oh, okay. Do you have a comment on that, Paul? Which is a nice layer to the whole thing, I think. Yeah. I want him to be a Scientologist. Me too. Me too. I really want him to be. Makes my knee feel better. He was going to come on this. He was going to come on this show. Jason contacted him. Knees over toes guy was going to come on the podcast. Then he said he only will do it in person. And then he's doing a little tour, and he'll be in California, and he'll let us know when he's here. He kind of blew up, that guy. Thanks to Rogies. I love tennis. Oh, really? If I'm in L.A., we should go and play some tennis somehow. Yeah, I grew up playing tennis. It was my first sport. I had a feeling. I had a feeling when you said that you grew up playing. Paul, when's the L.A. show, bro? We were out in Pomone on the 23rd, I think. Jason, you're opening for Interpol at that festival. Don't forget. Oh, duh. That's the only reason why you're on the show, Paul. You're headlining the show, and I'm opening the show. A couple of bookends. Jason's doing a DJ set while people are kind of filing in from the parking lot, and then you guys are going to play when everybody's in there and kind of drunk and ready. Just like heaven. You're familiar. Yeah. That's awesome. What's your DJ name? Them Jeans. Oh. Lastly, we're playing this festival next month. It'll be a great fun time. There's been a lot of kind of revival throwback festivals, you know, aligning with like the indie sleaze revival of the early mid-2000s. You know, it's kind of like an additional revenue stream for performers. who can like do all their regular shows and then hitch their wagon to the kind of reunion tour throwback kind of vibe. Have you, have you guys been experiencing that as like a nice bump? I mean, I feel, well, cause we're only just starting, you know, this is the last time we were on the road was 2019. Um, and I feel like the only thing at that point that fits this description was like literally old cello, which I think is like,

older than even you know these sort of things so i feel like just like heaven was maybe yeah it was kind of the one of the first ones but now it's like huge yeah no i remember looking at a bill where it was like there was bills where it was gonna be like mgmt and us and the tigra and you know a lot of bands from like the early aughts and i don't know man you know how it is it just doesn't feel i don't feel old i don't feel like well also you show up to this shit and you're like yeah we gotta We got a new record on Matador. It's doing pretty well. We just played Mexico. Yeah, it's different for you guys because you guys just still kept playing and putting out... quality music and everything that's what makes it cooler i think you know what i mean in a way where it's like yeah we can dip into this but like i don't feel like that because we're still making music you know and i mean i'll and i'll take all of it i feel like one thing i definitely want to avoid as i get older is sort of being you know jaded or like bitter or sort of like uh anti the new things you know i want to stay really open-minded and just like morrissey or something for example sure i just don't want to be i don't want to be an aggro kind of dude Uh, and I definitely want to, yeah, just keep it, keep it chill as I age. Um, so I just feel lucky and I feel happy. And I mean, there's a lot of young kids at our shows, so I feel like I'll take it all. That's great. That's great. I mean, I think that's, that's always the goal. You know what I mean? Keep, keep new ones coming and keep the old ones happy. You know, you can't really, that's the equation for success. You got everything to be grateful for Paul. Yeah, no, that's true. Even when I lose my boxing gloves, I got to remember that. You're still making it. All right, Paul Banks, thank you for joining us on How Long Gone. The Interpol, the album is out soon? It's June or July.

All right, so June or July says the singer of the band. It's coming out sometime. You can tell that question was a bit of a trigger, Chris. I feel like the answer is not quite that easy. Yeah, I don't want to get into it. We can offline about this, Paul. But, yeah, we'll see you in L.A. And, yeah, if you want a hit, we can bring you out to our private courts, the Glendale Community College. Bring a racket to the festival show that we have in Pasadena, Just Like Heaven. It's in May. Tickets still available. There's some tickets available. Come for me. Stay for Paul. Yeah, there you go. Exactly. Come for Jason. If you can make it that long, then please stay for Interpol as well. And I'll be there, of course, to kind of hold the pads up for you. Exactly. Cool. Enjoy the tour. Enjoy Arizona. And we'll talk to you soon. All right. Thanks, guys. That was a lot of fun. All right. Later, man. Yeah, man. Pleasure. Talk to you soon. Later. Thanks, Paul. Bye.