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What up, big dog? Big dog. Big dog. How are you feeling? I'm feeling good. Just finished a bike ride. Let's go, baby. Let's go. Getting my little cardio up. I feel like I pulled something yesterday. I have a strain, so I'm taking it easy today. All right. Well, if you need me to hit you with a Theragun later, you know I will. I do, actually. I need my man to be full strength. Thank you. I was listening to a podcast around that's in relation to our guest today. Oh, Fumbling Fits? Yeah, I was listening to the Fumbling Fits podcast where they ask... Jonah Hill about which Chelsea boots he likes to wear for an hour and a half. So that was informative. And I learned a lot about his fashion. First of all, wearing Chelsea boots, I think, is illegal now. So it's interesting that they would publicly talk about that with a known celebrity. But, you know, every podcast is different, TJ. They're all different. First time for everything. I learned some stuff. I learned how the other half live. A decent amount of L.A. slander on the podcast, which I guess I'm used to after talking to you. No one loves L.A. more than me, but those idiots have been, those guys have probably been here like one time in 10 years, so they're not really able to talk about it. Jonah Hill, on the other hand, known L.A. resident, I would assume no slander from him. No, there was no slander, but he was backpedaling a little bit trying to defend why he was here where you don't really need a reason to live in the largest city in America. Well, I mean, there's no steps of the smile to go to sit on and have an iced coffee and blast a cig while you look at your Rolex here. So it does. I understand the difference. Unless you are Australian, then you are wearing a Rolex here. People really like that tweet about every person in L.A. is an Australian with a Range Rover texting and driving. But somebody came for me like, you should go east of La Brea. And I was like, yeah.

Yeah, so they just have Teslas and they're white guys? Like, what's the difference? It's all the same person. I don't think they understood. I don't think they understood the essence of the joke. Yeah, the foundation is still there with Los Feliz Australians. You know, they're just, it's a less expensive, the vintage Rolex instead of a new one. Exactly, exactly. There's more like, you know, their countertops are. Or more unique than if you are west of La Brea. My countertop imported is pink marble. We got that little green, that little broke boy green. Yeah, the pink marble, it's not an evergreen marble color. We know that. What's going on with you, Chris? It's nothing, dude. Just, you know, out here pounding the pavement this morning. It was a beautiful day for running. It was a nice overcast morning. Yeah, it was. Had some good time. Came back. Just washing my clothes. You know, just getting ready. I mean, honestly, this new location, this Villa Carlotta is paradise, fam. I'm really, really. So this is an admin reveal of location. Admin reveal of location. I am in a studio apartment at a historic building on Franklin Avenue. I have windows surrounding me, a giant plasma screen, a blue swimming pool just out of sight. It is quite picturesque, I will say. Jason, you did help me move in. The vintage Rimoa was heavy, so you did need a hand with that for sure. I did need a hand. When you're staying in these vintage abodes, like a chateau or a villa, there are going to be touch points that require a three-step staircase where one would need to lug the Rimowa up versus having a handicap ramp that you would see at maybe a Best Western, perhaps.

At a place like this, it's low-key, bro. There's minimal staff, no invasive team members. So, yeah, I needed help. You'll never run into a bellhop or housekeeping trying to pester you for an autograph or anything like that. They all kind of know how the game is played there. now you understand why i'm here and i i appreciate that a lot yeah i just you know it's it's hard to be low-key in la jason you know how it is bro it's like you you come you come here and pick me up i gotta have the sunglasses i gotta have the hat i gotta walk quickly with my head down it's fucking annoying well that that being said now that you have sort of planted roots in la at least for the next month You were talking about washing your clothes. I've been getting a lot of DMs about your clothing on my Instagram stories lately, asking me what's up with Chris and his LA uniform. You seem to be spotted sustainably cycling the same outfit, perhaps multiple moments throughout the week. Are you considering... you know adding to your your wardrobe collection now that you you're going to be here for a little bit longer first of all losers um if you guys if you want to say something about my clothes say it to my fucking face okay they're clearly too afraid to i i know i know uh i Look, it's fucking 100 degrees all day. I'm going to wear. Also, I think a lot of the content that you're producing of me involves sport. And yes, I wear the same clothes to exercise in. You don't do that, you freaks. Like, oh, you have four different colors of Outdoor Voices leggings, you fucking nerd. Like, congratulations. I wear all black Nike, all black Dristic Vision. Sue me. Well, you know, maybe. It was less of that and more of like, are we going to maybe have, you know, start working in some Navy blues, you know, just for a little variation or, you know, just something to take people off the scent so they don't, you know, if they don't know that you have many, many pieces of the same all-black Nike Pro gear, you know, are you going to do anything to kind of throw in some splashes of variation at all?

Here's the problem. Exercise is not about what you're wearing. Exercise is about what you're doing. This is growth for you, I will say. Exactly. Once I find simple sweat-wicking clothing that works for all of my needs, I'm going to stick with it and I'm going to buy, buy, buy, buy, buy. Where do you stand on the philosophy of having a uniform? for your for your clothing that's my approach that's my supporter of that always has been always have been i'm on the record as that yeah so it's like yeah i have i brought a giant suitcase full of clothes and i wear the three things that i like so i have all these shirts but it's also like i have all these shirts with sleeves and shit and that and there's no there's no use for a sleeved shirt right now in la i mean at night you know it does get a little chilly but luckily i have you know I have the stuff for that. But even at night, as the temperature dips down into the low 80s, it's still really hot. And also, you're doing so much physical activity that the body is still pumping. The MacBook Air fan is always on on the house of black. I just think these... To be honest, these people probably can't understand what I'm going through because of the level of exercise I'm doing is something they couldn't possibly consider. So it's like, yeah, if you work out once a week, that's when you get your little Gymshark outfit and think you're looking cute. When you're working out twice a day, you don't give a fuck about what you're wearing. You're out there getting it in and making other people look stupid. So that's the goal. I don't give a fuck about what I look like. Who cares? I'm happy to see you come around, Chris, because the old CB might, you know, the pro gear, pro attitude look might prioritize the physical appearance above performance. And I think you've grown and matured since your time in LA. Honestly, my new trainer, Hunter, has opened my mind to a new form of fitness. And honestly, a third eye has been unveiled that I'm approaching fitness in a new way. And I believe that new...

That new wing in the mansion of Chris Black's fitness repertoire is the world of gymnastics, if I'm mistaken. It is, but it's such a holistic, full-body movement that it is, honestly, and also, I'm not being funny, so don't fucking laugh. I think that the way that he's got me building on things every week is truly, I'm seeing improvement in a way that I've never seen before. Like, okay, this week we're going to do this move, and then next week I'm doing a move that requires more, but I'm built for it because of what I learned the week before. So it's just all encapsulating. There's nothing funny about this. No, this is the only thing in my life I take seriously. Gymnastics, I get it. Fitness, Jason, but gymnastics, sure, you can call it that. My ring work, I would love to see your goofy-looking Gumby ass out there trying to hang out some rings in a public park. You get laughed at. My ring work, I'm sure, is not strong. We can all look at you and see there ain't no upper body strength. We can all see it. That is true. I am lacking in upper body strength. But I still have a lot more than you. So where does that place you, Chris? Because I have the perfect excuse, my Gumby-like lengthy frame. But you don't really have much to excuse your severe lack of upper body strength. All right, Jason. You know what? I'm going to cop some rings on Amazon. Maybe that's a paywall. That's how long gone only fans. Is Jason trying to do anything on a ring using his upper body? But I will say, all slanders die. The rings are a tough thing. It's not really something that anybody ever works on. So you would really have an unfair advantage. Whereas maybe like a pull-up bar perhaps is more of a...

You know, a widely used fitness device. And if you'd like to go head-to-head on that, that sounds like a wonderful challenge to explore. I'm not opposed to going head-to-head on that. I think you will beat me, but I think I would have a better showing now than I would have three months ago. Improvement is what I care about, Jason. Bro, that's what it's all about, if you ask me. You know. You already know what the fuck's going on. Yeah, I just, you know, clothing, fitness and clothing, like you only need basics. If you're trying to splash out, you're a boner. Okay, well then last question for that. So we have the all black Nike gear. We have, you know, running shorts that have a two inch inseam. It has dry fit technology, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They have shorts that cost $35, and then they have shorts that cost twice as much, $80. They both look the same. Do I need the $80 pair of shorts? No. Okay. The reason the $80 shorts, though, I think I have $80 shorts, but it's because they're lined and they have pockets, so I can do everything in them. Whereas I think that if you're paying a little less, sometimes they're either not lined with bike shorts or they don't have pockets. There's something a little off about them. So you like the lining. You like a bike short lining is what we're saying. I do. Yes, I do. I do. Because I expose my extremely buff quads all the time. And maybe I can keep them covered when I'm hanging upside down on these rings in a public park in West Hollywood. Oh, yeah, I did not think about the upside-down lifestyle being a factor. That is important. I couldn't agree more. Because my man is inverted like Tony Hawk on a daily basis. You already know, baby. I'm doing a 1080 every motherfucking day. So we do have a guest today that we mentioned earlier, James Harris, who is half of the podcast duo Failing Fits.

It's nice, I think, to separate him from his extremely loudmouthed partner. So that way we're giving our listeners a view into the kind of smarter, quieter, not more humble, but different side of the podcast. Because they have a very popular – their digital begging is going very well for them, and it's an interesting revelation. Yeah, there's a lot of different ways to skin a cat. They've chosen to zig where we zag. And luckily, as we all know, the cream does rise to the top. Of course. And you're a creamy cat. I appreciate a 13-year-old in Yeezy stealing his mom's credit card and buying a Switch and subscribing to the Throwing Fits Patreon. I personally would rather read a Manscaped ad or a Boner Pill ad, and I think you would agree with me. One billion percent. My mom would get very mad at me if I bought some Yeezys on her credit card. And I respect my family. I love my family too much to buy Yeezys on a credit card. That's right. Thank you for your time, Jason. Let's call James now. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world and i know you particularly have quite a lot of questions a lot of questions but how often because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot how many times do they do three times a week and i i have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do that's just a guess the guardian is not some billionaire owned They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? You know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace.

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handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive. And that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app using promo code How long? Taskers book up faster, especially for same-day tasks. So book trusted home help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code howlong with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. How are you? Well, first of all, let's talk about this facial hair that you've developed. Are you in bed? Yeah. You're lucky I have a shirt on. I thought you'd get up at like 5 a.m. Yeah, I've been up since 5. What you been doing? Well, some of us exercise, which I know. I saw that you purchased some resistance bands, so congratulations. Yeah, I'm about to come over. I'm joining the resistance. Have you used them yet? I used them this morning, and 20 minutes later, I was not able to brush my teeth. I couldn't lift my arms up. Which one of the sporty and rich bands have you found is the best one for your personal fitness growth? Um, I was a fucking sucker and copped off the timeline. Yo, it's like impossible to find like kettlebells or dumbbells or anything right now. They're still sold out, right? They're still sold out. Yeah. I mean, and so as soon as you start, you know, looking on like, you know, wire cutter, uh, best dumbbells, like all of a sudden your, your feed is just flooded with like these ads for, you know, IG centric brands. And I was just a sucker and I was like, yo, fuck it. It said like available now ships in days. So I just copped immediately. For $69, which was nice. And it took four weeks to arrive. Damn. You can put on a good 10, 15 pounds in a month. You know, six weeks. I don't even know why I bought them or if I didn't want to use them. But I don't know. It seems like something. I saw people using it in the park, so it seems easy. Resistance bands are, if done right, can be very challenging. I think that people, it's just like you have to find the right routine and the right resistance for you.

I have this weird phobia that I've had since I was a kid when I got hit in the face with a rubber band of them snapping and tearing my throat out. Same reason I have a weird phobia of tape measures when they retract really quickly. Damn. So you have elastic trauma is what you're saying. Yeah. Lasting elastic trauma. Damn. Brother, that is tough. That's why I don't use condoms. Perfect. Luckily for you, Breaking a resistance band would require a lot of use and a lot of strength with two things that I don't think you have. Bro, all right. I don't know. He looks like he's kind of a strong fella. Yeah, we could wrestle. Whoa, chill. I'm not into exhibiting masculinity via pizza strength, but we could wrestle. Did you play sports at your liberal arts alma mater? No, I quit playing sports in high school. I was kind of nice in high school, but it was – Where were you nice at? Football and baseball. Football? Yeah. I got hands. What? I got hands. What kind of hands? Like for catching? Yeah, I was wide receiver. I led the league in touchdowns and yards per reception. You're 5'8". I mean how? Bro, looking like all the – Yeah, wide receivers, you know, they can be short. So this is all before the Supreme football gloves came out. You were putting these numbers up. Bro, all right. TJ, TJ, we don't really know each other. But I think that one thing that I have in common with you guys is my aversion to Supreme, which has been like my entire life. So no, I would never cop Supreme accessories, let alone anything. Supreme thing I ever copped was the Neil Young tee for my dad because he's a big young guy. I copped the football gloves and I wore them at Tom Brown Football and we won. I guess it's a little different when you're on Flow Team, the whole copping thing. I guess I never considered it that way about when you have to pay the money for the Supreme. The problem was the collaborations, the footwear is never available for Jason because of his giant dogs.

He can only get the regular gear, which is a little less of a flex, I would say. I can always hand him down to my little homies and Bay. But yeah, you are right. I will be dying early. So who has the last laugh? Who cares? Chris, invite me to the Tom Brown football shit. I will fucking smoke all of you. How many followers do you have? Because we can't just be inviting anyone to the Tommy. Is that how you value human lives? Okay, that's good. Yeah, it is. If you're a male model. Have you met Chris? If you're a male model, Jeremy O'Harris, Hari Neff, or me, you're invited. Otherwise, I must have gotten lost to the male. Sorry, bro. I didn't know. But you went to high school in New York. Football playing at high school in New York seems crazy to me. So it was crazy because I went to a school in Tribeca that didn't have like any facilities. So we'd have to drive to like the East River and play on these shitty fields. And then we would play other, we were in like a public, you know, the PSAL, public school athletic league. And the only other teams that had football teams in that were public schools were like schools way up in the Bronx and like way on Brooklyn. So we'd go and play these schools in the Bronx and get our fucking asses handed to us. Cause we were like, you know, half Asian kids, half Jewish kids. And the only way that we would score was on these trick plays where I would like do like one, a game and score. And so that's why I like, yeah, exactly. Nothing but razzle dazzle. That's why I led the league in like yards perception. Cause it was just like these ridiculous, like fucking, you know, annexation of Puerto Rico type joints that would work every single time. So you're saying the football program in Tribeca is not as strong as some— The Stuyvesant peg legs are not known for their prowess on the gridiron. Oh, that's really funny, actually. Yeah, there's a documentary on it called First Chance U, where every chance and opportunity is provided to you, whether you like it or not. No one makes it to the NFL, but somehow everyone makes it to Ivy League colleges. I don't know. I don't understand. I don't understand.

Ivy League or Sunnis. Where is Vassar? Vassar's in Poughkeepsie, New York, getting tipsy in Poughkeepsie. There's a tribe line. We don't talk about tribal quests on this podcast. Why? We're anti-native tongues on this side. We're just too racist for it, man. I don't know what to tell you. I actually – I just – I don't care about backpack rap at all and totally miss it. And Jason, I think, agrees with me. Okay. That's fair. But I recognize the importance. I recognize the importance. I listen to more backpack rap than Chris did for sure because of my history as a previous graph head. But, yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat where it's – What was the most backpacking you went? Like nonfiction, non-profits, ill bill, necro. You're exposing something about yourself that you might want to keep inside. Yeah, this puppy lapped up all of that, brother. I'm blasting necro in the freight yards. Idea and abilities. Maybe you dorks should start your own podcast. I'm out of here. But I was never really leaning towards that type of stuff unless I was listening to it for a joke. I was more, you know, I guess less into like freeing your mind type of stuff and more into just like getting high. Doom? MF Doom at all or no? Yeah. James, I didn't know you were such a real hip-hop aficionado. Oh, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say aficionado. No, I mean, I think that was like, you know, my upbringing was like DMX and like Jay-Z and... like the late 90s shit and then the early 2000s was like backpack and then uh and then like i don't know after that i guess like kanye i guess that that lineage that's a pretty common lineage i guess i just didn't i didn't i don't care about rap music that's not from atlanta i realize and i don't even think that's on purpose well it's not like i listen to that shit now

Like I can barely even kind of like get through MF Doom. We know you're banging the J. Cole. Don't front, bro. Get the fuck out of here. I've actually, I could not, all I know about J. Cole is that he had a song about like busting in his pants, right? Yes. Yeah, he did. Well, he also thinks he can make it in the NBA and he put up a photo of himself wearing Puma, which clearly if you're wearing Puma, you're not making it to the NBA. Well, he's a Puma. He's like a, he has a Puma shoe. I would rather be poor than sign a Puma deal. Fair. Do these guys have no conscience? Is there no line? I think they have too much conscience. What about Reebok? I don't fuck with Reebok either. Unless it's a J. Cole Vetmont collab, it's kind of not really entering my radar. Do you rock Reebok, James? No, I never have. I kind of like the beatniks. Is that what they call the beatniks? You mean like the jowled ones? No, like the little British ones? No, like the slipper mules with the background. Oh, fuck. This mule shit, they're Birkenstock Bostons. Nothing else needs to. We got to relax, man. Okay. I'm with you on that. None of that shit looks cool except for the only thing I would buy is a Chrome Hearts Birkenstock. That's the only upgrade you need. I mean, I have three pairs of Bostons. brown brown suede white leather which game warns from adam pally and then uh i don't know if you i don't know if you guys fuck with these like you probably don't but the our legacy like hand-drawn ones that kind of have like ed hardy s tattoos on them you know we we have real tattoos so we don't need them on our clothes okay very cool wait jason jason do you add it up A decent amount. Not as much as Chris, but yeah, I would say so. He ain't really about this. I probably have eight to nine Yatties. Ed Hardy means something different to me. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The artist Ed Hardy. That's my triple OG. That's Big Pro. That's Big Pro. Don't come for the king like that. Without him, none of this would be here, bro. This whole shit would be fucked up if it ain't for him. You know what I mean? Ed Hardy started this whole – he birthed this whole shit. He really did. But I think the slide footwear popularity because of COVID has gone too far.

Too cozy. I guess so. Yeah, too cozy. Limbs on two linguine, you know, it's too many carbs. But I see that you've been – I feel like you've been making quite a lot of purchases as a person who doesn't have a job. Yeah. pick my spots here and there. I mean, what is it? Am I like flexing too hard on the gram? Like, is that what? Hey, no one, no one said it was the flex was too hard. I'm just saying as a, as a, just in this, in this climate, it's just kind of, wow, you know? Yeah. Right. Yeah. As a, as a keen observer of your content, I have noticed an uptick in garment purchasing and therefore garment posting. Yeah. Well, I think it's more just, that's how I deal with kind of like insecurity and like personal setback. Right. It's just like, and also let's expand on this. not to be a not to be like a vulture or anything but like when you have stores go you know on there you know going out of business sales like i don't know like who if you're not going to take advantage of that someone else is and at the very beginning of this we were like oh cop johns for small brands because you know keep them in business hopefully they're around after all this um but yeah it's mostly just going through like the out of business sales Have you made any purchases that, let's say, you might regret after they show up and then there's no returns? Oh, yeah. I've caught a pair of Heelys. Cannot return those. Bro, the joke is going too far. Why did you do that? It didn't sound like a joke. It's not a joke. I don't know where they are right now. So you did buy a pair of Heelys. Yeah, for like $60 from inlineshoewarehouse.com. I'm familiar with the site. I'm familiar with the site. And what does it feel like? I've never worn a Healy, but I've always wondered. Let's walk us through the unboxing. Let's roll us through, Chris. I've never done heroin. I knew you were a fucking loser for a reason, but go ahead. You know when you're cutting wrapping paper with the scissors and it just glides? Damn, damn. That is an excellent, excellent way to describe something. You're coming for J. Cole with these bars, bro. That's kind of what it feels like. I mean, you're just like free like a bird. You're freeing the heel. It's like telemarketing, you know? Well, have you worn them outside of whatever neighborhood in Brooklyn you live in? No. I haven't worn them outside, period. Because...

So you haven't hit the streets of Borum Hill looking for white chicks at Healy? Borum Hill? I live in Greenpoint, and sometimes I see Alex Olsen, and I'm scared that he's so hot. I feel like if he sees me wearing Heelys, my chance of befriending this hot man is just never going to happen. If Big Al sees you recording a Healy TikTok, it's pretty much over for you. Alex Olsen's fucking listening to a chant on his airbox, bro. He's not worried about you. He ain't worried about you. He's trying to hold his breath or something. He's not worried about you and your fucking shoes. Because you sound a little jealous. No, I'm not jealous. I'm not a Wim Hof guy yet, but I'll get there. Not quite advanced. I mean, are you going out? What's the vibe in Greenpoint? Is everyone out in the streets? Yo, so there's a hurricane here right now, so it's been kind of wild. But the energy is fucking horny. It's the fappening. It's the real-life palpable – it's the clappening. Because it's officially summer sundress season, but nobody can get it popping. Exactly. It's typical New York's – sexy summer vibes you know throughout but then because you've been cooped up for here in New York Chris I know that you've been traveling and endangering your fellow humans um and I know that in LA don't come for the super spreader like that don't come I'm the number one super spreader in the fucking game and you need to put some respect on that uh young super spreader but uh no I know in LA like it's back on lockdown but in New York like we're kind of good it seems like and I'm sure we're gonna fuck it up for ourselves but the streets are just fucking popping. Um, the energy is like, you can cut the sexual tension with a knife and everyone just like out in the parks, boozing all day, boozing all night, getting takeout, chilling in the park and like small groups. I don't know if I haven't really seen or experienced like meeting new people, but you're not really participating in this. Uh, I mean on the weekends, like again, it just, it feels very like, it feels like Berlin almost.

So it's a bunch of ugly Germans doing coke and drinking bottled beer? Yeah. Doesn't sound bad, I guess. But otherwise, it's probably pretty cool. It's cool. I think that New York, at least we feel right now, that we're past the worst of it. And it was really shitty here in April. You haven't left, right? I haven't left New York. I went upstate to a friend's crib for like... Two nights and that's it. Damn, you're a fucking soldier, my G. Bro, I mean. It's fucking New York, baby. Yeah. I grew here, you flew here, headass. So he wakes up. I don't say that because that is a anti-immigration sentiment from Australia. I didn't know that actually because a person of color actually said that to me for the first time. It's an Australian nativist saying from like the fucking 19 dickities. So what do you say that's not problematic when you want to tell people you're from New York and they're a fucking loser? I grew here, you flew here. But you just don't do it with the Australian accent and you're good money, bro. Exactly. So every day in New York, you're just getting the chopped cheeses and you're grinding it out because you're Tribeca Stan. Yeah, you know, I'm a retired professional podcaster, just leisurely floating my way through my Flanore lifestyle. And that's about it. I mean, there's not much shit else to do, I guess. I guess the life of a podcaster is pretty easy, huh? Is this your full-time or main moneymaker? No. No, it's just one of many revenue streams. We got revenue streams. I mean, again, we don't digitally bank, so it's going to take us a little longer than it took you guys. Are you digitally shilled dick pills? Yes, but that to me, I can do that proudly, you know, and that's fine. I can live with that. Have you guys used the dick swipes? That's not part of our package. No, we only manscape, my guy. We only manscape now. What do you recommend? Well, I guess if you have chest hair, you probably don't. I got some. Hey, bro, I have some. Why do you say that, Chris? Is it because I'm a...

Asian American? No, because I'm looking at your beard and it's a little spotty, you know? I mean, I took this down yesterday. Oh, I see. So you did a little trim. No, I think that – but you guys – so how many shows a week do you guys do? Well, we were doing one and splitting up into two parts. But what we're trying to do now is like one with a guest and one kind of like extra, you know, boys only. So we're recording that later tonight. Do you find that – that the episodes with just the squad do better than the guest episodes. So, uh, so the guest episodes we put out for free and then the squad we put behind the paywall. So it's kind of like apples and oranges. Like we don't, we don't really have insights into numbers on the Patriot. We just have like general sentiment of like anger and like vitriol on, you know, all the various. I saw you guys, I saw you guys getting killed for a little while and I thought it was unfair. Well, here. Here's my mentality. No one has ever left a positive Yelp review. You only go online to shit on people. The people that just consume it and are happy and go on with their lives aren't going to go out of the way and be like, yo, this shit was Big Gas Slapper, my G. The other thing is that I think that when you're as engaged with your fan base as we are, you're on the same level as them because we are the people's champions. We're not some hoity-toity left coast. couldn't relate couldn't relate i i don't want to be if i was on the level of your fans i'd be concerned for myself well like when when you get a reaction out of like the and actually i was trying to listen to the lawrence episode that you guys did earlier i've never listened to an episode of when's this gone or any other podcast so it's it's not it's not an animosity thing i just don't listen to podcasts including ours i don't fucking listen to our our shit um damn did we lose him No, I hear him. Have you talked to your therapist about why you don't listen to your podcast at all? No, I can't afford a therapist because I don't think it's in my Cobra healthcare. Well, if you didn't quit your job to be a podcaster, you might be able to afford that healthcare. Yeah, I don't know. I've never had a desire really to go to therapy. Really?

yeah and i know that like that means you need it more than anyone probably no i know that it's like a good thing i mean i tried it once when i was like uh like 19 or 20 and just like this we're talking this old guy i don't know it's weird not a great age to to get into it i think i think you're probably old enough now where it would work to be honest i mean i go he did not he did not fuck with the cutting linguists as hard as i did back then damn you just couldn't relate you know what i mean you just couldn't get on the same page you know what i mean yeah I understand. Do you have a desire to not hear your own voice? Is that it? I think that's big for a lot of people. It's that, but I think it's also one advantage of not listening to other podcasts is that you don't try to mimic what you think is the right way to do it. That even goes for your own shit. I'd rather just freestyle and do what feels right. After four years of doing this, you have a sense of what feels right. the self critic, like we come out of a recording session every time we're like, yo, that was fucking trash. And then, and then like, uh, Lawrence will listen back to me. He's like, yo, this is actually really good. Um, you know, and I, and, and the way it kind of works, like the division of labor is I do a lot of like the pre show work. And then he does like a lot of the post show work. So like, he'll listen to it and be like, Oh yo, we missed whatever the guest said, you know, a racial slur here, like drop some hate speech here. I'm going to cut that. I, you know, as a, as a, multi-time guest on the program, I am always quite impressed with the research you bring to the table. Fully printed out paperwork. Yeah. Multiple sheets. Single-sided, though, because fuck the world. Yeah, well, I'm saying, I think that people, because of the laissez-faire style of the program and Lawrence's extreme personality, they might not realize how much work you're doing pre-show. But it's also a security blanket. I'm very impressed with the fact I was asking Chris. I was like, yo, what do I need to prep or think about? And you're just like, no, we'll just talk. And it's cool that you guys can just wing it. I mean, I don't know what work you've done before this. I'm sure you've done your fucking oppo research on whatever and want to toss bombs in my MF Doom fandom. No, so it's also impressive. And sometimes right now we're kind of like, yo, are we a little too buttoned up? Is the run of show?

too boilerplate is it too repetitive should we blow it up and kind of like not start from scratch but like you know go back in the lab and kind of think about what we really want to get out of each episode especially now that we used to be able to like kind of trap people for like four hours at a time in the studio and now since they're at home and it's you know in the evening they're like oh i can't fucking pot until 10 or 11 p.m like i got yeah because that's when you guys asked me to podcast for four hours i thought you were kidding That is insane. Yeah, I mean, we're just laughing. Do you think you guys are Joe Rogan? I don't know. What is Joe Rogan? Again, I don't know what Joe Rogan does. I just know he does fucking folks DMT with Elon Musk. Joe Rogan is the kid. Jason, his podcasts are four hours, like always, right? Not always, but it's like he just did a four-hour podcast with Post Malone this week. It's not uncommon for him to touch three, four hours on the reg. But most of it is just him. It's just him talking about nothing. It's just him. For that four hours of audio, there's probably 28 minutes of pure silence of them being like, let's look up that picture of a bear on Google. Or just weird silence of them talking about how mushrooms are freaking crazy and stuff. Did him and Posty talk about Post Malone's insane gun collection? We didn't listen. I haven't not listened to all. I did peek around a little bit just to see what was going on, and it pretty much was that. But I guess it was kind of interesting to hear Post Malone just bro down. I mean, I'm a big Post fan, and I would love to hear what's going inside that fucking freak mind of his. Not much. I mean, it's all just Bud Light and his piss. Yeah, it's Bud Light. That's it. That motherfucker's got slapped, bro. I mean, you got... No, I agree. Post Malone's got more hits than MF Doom. Let me say that right now. I saw Post Malone at Santos Party House. He's like first ever show after White Iverson blew up and fucking Lil Uzi Vert opened for him and it was like 60 people in the crowd. It was wild. And then Post Malone came in and shut it down and definitely knew he was a star. Damn, James, that's the coolest thing you've ever told me. Forgot about Santos Party House, damn.

where did you uzi came out uzi came out and he like moshed in the crowd for his last song he had the song what do you want with with ferg and then like you know his set ended and it was kind of like that awkward moment between like uh amateur sets and then his boy comes out with a mic he's like yo uh little uzi dropped his iphone while moshing has anyone really really kills the coolness of that whole experience Now, you are a graduate of the music business, but this was before that. This was before that. This was when I was at Complex, yeah. Wow. I forgot that you worked there. I tried to forget that you worked there. Me and you both, brother. But I bet you got a lot of free tickets to cool shows. At Complex? Yeah. Yeah, sometimes. But that was like... That happened because I hit up Post Malone's manager at the time. What's his name? We are Cohen's son. As the shooter. Yeah. Great guy. Okay. And I was just like, yo, we should do a story on Post Malone. White Iverson is going crazy. Or maybe it was a song about Supreme. I don't know. Whatever. Great. I don't know. Great story. Well, I would say... This is when you guys transition to the next... This is your job as hosts. Hey. Hey, bro. Hey, don't do that. Sorry. Sorry. I mean, we have a lot going on when we're coming off the dome because Jason's Jay-Z in the booth with no pad. I mean, there's a lot of editing after this, right? No. Oh, shit. Very light touch. It's a very light touch. Well, I would consider moving forward, if you guys are looking to shake things up on the pod, to go back and do some listening to your own show. It is difficult for a lot of people, but you can learn a lot about what you can do to improve your podding. On a serious tip. That's true. Game tape. But the thing about that that we find kind of difficult is we get both sides of what is ultimately a constructive criticism.

We get criticism where it's like, yo, why the fuck are you guys interrupting the guests? Let them speak. And then we get the equal amount of people being like, I miss it when James and Lawrence used to interrupt the guests. And that's why I listened to them for them to steamroll the guests. And it's like, you can't have it both ways. And we can't kind of cater to both. And if we get it in our heads so much, and this kind of goes back to what you were saying, Chris, what you're alluding to, if we're just trying to cater to every single comment, you end up just doing... gymnastics to the point where you just kind of paralyze yourself. Well, I'm saying not to listen to the comments and not to go back and forth of what is right and what you should do and listen to yourself and form your own comments and your own thoughts on your own work and trust that and then edit yourself moving forward of like, oh my god, I said swole too many times on this episode. I really got to stop doing that or whatever things that places that you could improve. Do you look at Reddit? Do you look at the famed Failing Fits Reddit page? First of all, it's called Throwing Fits. And, yeah, I look at it, and it's not as horrible as one would assume. I've looked at it. They talk about you guys a lot. It's interesting because I feel like it really is more – it's so much more than talking about the podcast. It's really like some – It's a community shit. Which is the whole point of, I mean, that's why you guys are able to make money. You know what I mean? It's because of how engaged these people are. But do you guys actually participate in it, or do you just go check in? I'll jump in on when people are looking for recs, like someone was looking for incense recommendations, and I jumped in. The real shit, the more active shit is the Discord, which is for patrons only. Can you explain what that is? Because I don't use stuff like that because I'm not a mouth breather. So if you could just tell me, that'd be great. So it is a platform that was designed for, I think, gamers first. But it's basically just a live chat room that kind of spring. They spring up around like every kind of, you know, very niche community. So is it bad that we don't have one?

you could have one and it depends how you want to use it you know i i don't necessarily it's more a place for fans to like gather and talk to each other and like share intel and kind of like uh you know go to each other on to whatever recommendations yeah just just uh you know maybe make some make a new friend somewhere whatever it could be but you could like offer them i mean they're your more they're your most hardcore fans you could offer them you know early access to merch or like exclusive shit but uh within the throwing fits discord there's different channels so there's like a channel about um music about tv and film sports gaming uh wow the music section of the throwing fits discord is terrifying to me i can't keep up like that's the one that where i just can't keep up with it because it's all just like youtube links oh i thought it would be like kid cutty fan fiction it's all like no it's like 100 100 gex thousand gex um yeah it's just gex i don't even know a lot of gex just gags but no so it's the discord is like super can can kind of just reflect the general mood of like the most hardcore fans and it's interesting you know i i try to keep like the 35 000 foot perspective on uh commentary lawrence gets very riled up by like individual comments Um, and he'll take those to heart and then he'll, you know, not to speak for him, but whatever he spoke for me on when he was on. So he'll freak out. And I'll just be like, Lawrence, you're literally concerned about three people. You know, that is like 0.01% of the general of the entire paying audience, which is, you know, a certain percentage of like the total audience that listens to our shit on the free shit. So I just try to keep like the general, like long vision, not like, you know, living one inch at a time. Easier said than done. for some people, but good that you can. Yeah, it's very good. I mean, so the touch points for the podcast are the show, then there's the Patreon show, then there's a Discord, and there's an Instagram. What else are you guys doing? I feel like you guys are giving people maybe more than they want, but what else is there? We're trying to do, so we're doing a live Juicy Zoomy on Friday where basically everyone, I don't know when this is coming out, but everyone at a certain tier.

We're going to send out a Zoom link. You can tap in. And we're just going to do fit checks and fuck would not fuck with working title with fans. Audience participation is mandatory. We'll have people tap in. We'll unmute motherfuckers one at a time. We have the homies from Ireland and the UK and Canada tapping in. And we've only done one so far. It was a lot of fun. I accidentally put one kid in a really awkward position where he was watching with his girlfriend. And I asked him what porn he's fucking with. And I think he just stumbled and bumbled through an answer. Well, to be fair, it's his fault for bringing a woman to an incel gathering. Yeah. I mean, that's on you, bro. I'm sorry. I have no sympathy for that man. I just think you guys – you guys are doing quite a lot, which is impressive to me because I don't know if – I don't – what do you think brings these – what is the main subject that brings people together in these? Like what's the most popular – is it music? Is it clothes? Like what do you think people are talking about the most under the Failing Fits umbrella? Failing Fits? Oh, because I call you guys, when is this gone, and you call us Failing Fits. I get it. Damn, you finally got it. Let me ask you this. Are we... I mean, I've never met Jason IRL, but we're not like... When's this gone and throwing fits? We're not like enemies. We're like homies within the same arena. I would say we're homies within the same arena, but you're like Vaughn's grocery store and we're like... Ralphs. You guys are Ralphs. No, no, no. I would say we're more of like an Erewhon level. Just based on guests and kind of like overall demeanor. Yeah, Erewhon is the supermarket. It's in LA. It's kind of like a little bit more expensive. A lot of celebs go there. Yeah, a lot of superficiality. A lot of bird scooters pulling up. A lot of fucking, you know, Range Rovers. Yeah, but Vons, which is what I would say Failing Fits is, is more like you pull up in your beat-up Civic with a spare tire. You get out, you buy a couple things in Mountain Dew, and you go back to the car, which to me feels... That feels right. That feels appropriate.

Again, we're the people's champion. I know what you want from me. If those are the people that you want to be the champion of, by all means, be the champion of those people. We're the champion of all people. I think that the through line of our shit is, I would hope, and this is definitely spinning some bullshit, is general self-betterment, whether that's through the things you buy, which kind of sucks, but eventually it is... I mean, Chris, it's reflective of your... values and priorities totally we vote with our dollars yeah but also it's like oh yo i want to learn about you know the story behind whatever this brand or this artist or this uh you know furniture some shit i don't know whatever you guys talk about um so so so the young the young impressionable listener you're hoping to guide them you know on their path to to adulthood in life and yeah and that goes through like Yeah. Each one teach one. I think like whether that's through like discovery of like new brands or finding confidence, like try new shit or branch out from, you know, whatever level of fit you're coming from before. If that's just like our post style and like common projects like, yo, level up. Well, I love when you admit your faults on this podcast. Continue. Those are my faults? Oh, I just assumed you were pulling from personal experience. No, I've never owned CPs. Always thought they were trash. Always thought that they were indicators of new money, gauche, tech bro shit. Which I learned at Snapchat, actually. I've also never owned CPs, and Jason hasn't either because they don't make his size, but he would have. The only thing that kept me from getting those beautiful CPs. Jason, why don't you just bind your feet? I've thought about it. Yeah, so I think that's good. I think what you're doing to educate and teach is important. What other areas other than buying stuff and clothing are you hoping to educate the youths into? I don't know. I think hopefully each guest we have on, we now do allow them to tell their story or to source.

bring interesting people to the fore I mean same as you guys right it's like yeah you week to week like you might have uh Hari Neff or Jeremy O'Harris but then you might have some critic who has like no social clout but they still have interesting opinions and interesting things to say and I think like that's hopefully it's like yo it's kind of just like defining the extended universe whether it's like when's this gone or throwing fits But it's all like cutting through the bullshit and noise. And it's like, yo, stop paying attention to the fucking Chunky Dunkeys and go like, you know, read this book by this interesting person. But I thought you guys. But so you're saying you talk about the Chunky Dunkeys a lot because then you fit in the book after you get their attention with the Chunky Dunkeys. The Chunky Dunkeys are a literal two pack of ass. To quote your favorite philosopher, Joe Budden. That's true. Dead ass. Go off. Go ahead. Give me the scripture. Two pack of ass. No, the Chunky Dunkeys are fucking bullshit. And like, I don't know. I guess that's another through line is like, yo, stop. liking something because you're told to like it and like learn how to like your own shit for your own reasons. And again, that's a great lesson for young people. I agree with you on that. So it's like, yo, like, like, I mean the turbo late stage capitalism, like sneaker culture right now is so problematic. I mean, not to flex or anything, but we were on Deezus and Merrill yesterday and we were talking to both, both of them about like why they love sneakers and why. we're so disenfranchised with it currently because right now when you have fucking Gary Vee and like off white fours, cause he's the only fucking guy that can afford and also like try to flex on Tik TOK while, you know, giving like motivational speeches. So it's just like, so skewed and so fucking, uh, left of, it's just, it's just out of control. Um,

So yeah, I think that's another through on it. Just stop liking this shit just because it's expensive or just because the scarcity is what's promoting it. That's the thing with all that shit to me. It's actually not that expensive if you're able to get a pair. It's not actually that expensive. It's the desperate wanting to be willing to pay 40 times what it's worth to have it that is problematic to me. Like wanting to buy a pair of shoes for $150 is totally normal. It happens to me every day. It happens to me every day. I've never bought anything resell in my life. Ever. It's crazy. But if like the fact that everyone knows that this certain pair of sneakers is going for like a G and you then acquire it and flex it and that's what's moving your dick, then like that's problematic, right? Like that's just like a weird – you're chasing this like weird – The priorities are all off. Yeah, but if there's a $1,000 pair of shoes or a John that you want because you fuck with like you think the design is a genius or you have like sentimental attachment to it, you know, maybe it's like a vintage something that you had in your childhood that you then like still fucking love. Fine, go for it. But, you know, as long as it's for the right and personal and individual reasons, not like the hype machine and the fucking, you know, bullshit self-perpetuating cycle of violence. I think everyone has to get to that point with their own self-confidence and identity on their own because I know I was personally guilty of not being able to dress in a way that was confidently myself and celebrating my unique flavor until I was probably maybe after high school. That's early. Which, yeah, I guess it could be early, but I think nowadays kids are getting there a lot quicker because of role models who are telling them they don't have to do that and making it cooler to be unique and different. Like you guys. Well, I think it requires a lot of trial and error, and I think you have to brick a bunch of shit before you can arrive there, which is unfortunate because that's just a waste of money. You have to fail up to get there.

Before you throw fits, you've got to fill up. Oh, my God. All right. Thanks for joining us. Luckily, Lawrence and I have a hand-picked, beautiful, curated collection of 100 Johns on Grail.com because we have a 360. partnership deal with them. The synergy levels are over 9,000. We're not shilling dick wipes like you guys. We're not shilling ass wipes like you guys. You're selling used clothing on Lawrence's former employer's webpage. I'm not going to speak for Lawrence in terms of how awkward it was for him to be a part of the negotiations while still employed at Grail and like arguing against himself on both sides. I don't know if you guys... A lot of you guys have ever approached a business negotiation with Lauren Schlossman, but let me tell you, he goes just fucking finito in the conference rooms in a way where he just like, it's not great. It's not great. Trump-like with his negotiations. Yeah. Yes. Hey, you know, those people unfortunately get the job done. Yeah, no, I think the biz dev operation of throwing fits is booming, which it has to be when it's a full-time thing. Well, I was about to say, what has changed since you both have become full-time podcasters? First of all, the fact that you don't live in LA or do stand-up, it's not looking good for you. But what do you think you're going to do? I saw your little merch. So what else are you trying to do to increase the revenue streams? The merch hit. Yeah, but you did a pre-order, which, you know, I mean, I guess you're on your list. Because we're heroes. Because we're heroes. We're not trying to ruin the world. Don't give me the fake sustainability talk. I don't play that game. We have multiple collaborations with high-level brands coming out this fall. I don't know if you guys are looking right now, but I'm showing you what one of them is. Yeah, so you have a fake bean boot in your hands that is probably going to cost $400. What else?

uh both of those facts are not true um no we i think like we're trying to do partnerships to make sense like we have turned well we signed wme but we've also like turned down a bunch of brands that we just thought were like after three years or two years of like talking about fucking like mugsy jeans and like couches that have like cum wicking technology we're just very done with like it doesn't make sense it does not make sense for us to fucking shill that shit so we're just like yo we're only gonna fuck with brands that we actually personally would fuck with we're only gonna try and sell merch that we would for the most part uh for ourselves so when when does the first pink dolphin launch come out the bravery honestly the bravery The bravery of you and Lawrence to only work with brands you like is honestly inspiring. We're trying to get a Nike deal. Well, good luck with that. I don't see that in your future, but I've been wrong before. I think Puma could work, though. Puma, I can see. I have the plug of Puma. Shout out Eric Silverman. Wait, do you guys do outro music? And if so, can I have Young Dolph? Which song? I don't know. There's a lot. What was the album? Yeah, there's a lot. I was trying to think, you guys put out as much shit as Plies. You guys are very prolific. That's high praise. Plies is one of our favorite artists and personalities in the game. I'll put some Dolph on the end for you. Don't worry, Chief. We got Dolph for you, King. Dolph for Plies, whatever you guys think is great. Our pace has been good, but I do think that it's... Is it too much? No, no, no. I actually really like it. I don't think it ever feels – I don't know about Jason, but I'm always ready to go. It doesn't really feel like a chore to me. I think three a week is the perfect cadence. You have one day off, one day on, one day off, one day on, and the weekend hits. You get a couple days off. I think it's the perfect amount to keep you fresh. How much of your creative process is driven by monetary decisions where it's like, yo, that's – one ad read –

A week or do we want three? Do we want to triple our money or what? We decide on the cadence before there are ads. Honestly, the cadence was decided also by COVID and that's why we started it because we had all this time. Now that we have a little less time, I think it was just a priority to fit it in. You know what I mean? To make it work at that same pace. I don't think we would ever exceed a three-ad scenario. That's probably where I'd tap out. One thing I've noticed with a lot of podcasts, that have like kind of the funny jokey ad reads is they can just go on for way too long and they don't need to do that like just like a five minute ad read about talking about how funny you know manscaping or dick pill shit is like you can do it and you can it can be 30 seconds and you'll still get paid and it'll be done and you move on to the next one instead of making a real meal out of it where it takes you out of it I think that's the philosophy that we try to do for this. You guys did ad reads at Barstool, though. We did ad reads at Barstool, yeah. We got in trouble a few times because we had too much fun with them. We didn't give a shit. We were just like, yo, we get paid no matter what. We don't get paid based off the success of the ad, the advertiser. No one listening to us is going to go buy a fucking burrow couch. I think Burrow reached out actually and they're like, hey, we want to send you a couch. I was like, oh, great. I live in California at this homie's address. He was like – he had just gotten married and like needed a couch and I was like, yo, do you want this couch? He was like, yeah. He was like, oh, I actually live in L.A. now. I just moved. I think that the ad read – I mean I just am surprised if you – I mean, I guess at Barstool, they're selling them in a group, so they don't even know who's – they're just like – they want it to be straight. They sell it to the network, not to the – and they're like, oh, yeah, we'll spread it out across Collar Daddy, part of my cake, and Failing Upwards. I've never – I don't – how is Failing Barstool doing, you think? Are they hurting right now? I don't know. I'm always very – I've always been very surprised at – not surprised, but –

more like i guess like impressed at how they've kind of navigated uh the waters of from a from a business side of like media just because they're so personality based like that's what you need now to succeed is like you can get the information you know i learned about the fucking explosion in beirut on twitter before it was on any platform right definitely like solid videos and shit um so you need like it needs to be personality driven and then when it comes i mean i think that they All podcasts, I'm sure you guys too, without people commuting, we lost a big chunk of listenership, without a doubt. Well, we started the podcast when no one was commuting. Oh, damn. Yeah, those numbers, they kind of slowly crept back up to normal over the last few months, though. But yeah, the commuting thing hit pretty hard at first. So you're going to go up from here when things get back to normal, which is great. Yes, hopefully, yeah, for sure. Yeah, the growth, the chart is very similar to COVID where it came out real strong and then dipped down once we all realized that our life as we know it is over in hell. And then once we got used to that, the numbers climbing even higher than they were before. So as the head of the throwing fits biz dev operation, I would suggest that you lock in some deals now and add in some bonuses that you can unlock when the numbers go up. So you're just fucking taking. That's good advice. And I think people should know. And I want to do this on this platform. I think Lawrence tends to overpower you with his extreme talk and behavior. But I think that people should know that you've had an illustrious career in marketing and media. And I think it's impressive. And I think people don't know enough. Thank you. Is that your transition into talking about my career? No, it came to me. Can you stop trying to mansplain our own podcast to us, please? I just think people probably don't know. I don't know how much you talk about it or not. I don't know. Honestly, I think that the most impressive shit I've done personally is with this pod. No joke, the deal that we had with Grailed and Seasons.

and other shit um you know those are the two things right now and even the merch i think like like i guess what i realized kind of early on or halfway through my tenure complex is like yo there's money in media it just does not go to the writers and the reporters and the journals it goes to the fucking like ad sales guys right for sure because like i had this position a complex where i was kind of between it was like director special projects some shit where i kind of sat between like the money guys and the editorial guys and At that point, it was the height of trash-sponsored content, where it's like, yo, Honda just bought 10 articles, so you guys need to do 10 road trips that are swaggy as fuck. And it's like, what? So we were like, yo, let's reverse this. Let's make this a two-way conversation. James, you be the representative of editorial, and you develop the ideas with the editorial team that the ad team can then and the marketing guys can then go out and sell. right so kind of like reversing that so we would be like yo honda we want to do this like very lit thing around you know swaggy road trips do you want to pay for it um and then so i i guess i kind of learned like what did you what words did you just say throwing throwing honda fits and then um and it was at snapchat when i was at snapchat i i'd sat next to like the business dev guys who are fucking gorillas like straight animals I would never want to have a beer with them or hang out with them, but it was interesting to hear them talk about that shit. Again, there's money to be had in media, but I think it doesn't go to the fucking bloggers and writers. It goes to the people that know the business side. What's that? It never really has. Any type of media platform, magazine, newspaper, television network, that's just what it's about without the advertising. No one's making money. And writers and content creators, unless they do it. themselves are never going to make it. Yeah, or unless you're like a bold-faced name. And then at Def Jam, I just learned that being talented is the fucking sickest job in the world. That's just what everyone should have spoken to. What kind of artists were you dealing with at legendary Jeff Dam recordings? I mean, I wasn't like... Did you get to work with the Killers or no? The Killers were on Def Jam? They're on Island. Def Jam Island split up in like 2005 or some shit or 2015.

That's the last time I cared. Continue. The coolest rapper I think I got to work with directly is probably YG. But is he actually cool? I think he used to be cooler. I think he's still cool. In the grand scheme of rappers, he's on the cooler side. No, that's fair. I just think he's one of those guys now who is cooler and no one even knows what the music sounds like. That's fair. Unless you're a Cali boy. Unless you're, yeah, I don't listen to Cali hip hop because I have taste, so. Fuck you, Chris. But not wrong also. Yeah, Jason, you don't like Cali hip hop. I like some Cali hip hop, just not a ton. Who is that now? I mean, it's like, I guess like Shoreline. YG. YG. Tyga's over here in Cali, you know what I'm saying? Tyga, Tyga number one. artists for me um i wanted to talk about shorts with you james oh yeah i know that you guys are anti blowing the brains out of shorts and and chris kind of is too i'm i'm team i'm team failing fits on this do do you wear shorts that have the liner in them as well as underwear or in in uh in replacement of underwear So I actually believe in copying baggies two pairs at a time and blowing the brains out one and keeping the brains in on the other. Very, very brisk black move, I know. This pleases me. That's advanced. So you wear the one that has the liner in them for when you're doing your aquatic activities when you're at the beach. When I'm on the water. When you're trail running. James strikes me as a guy who wears his board shorts sagging with the Calvin Klein boxer showing. Never did that. And then shorts with the brains blown out when you're just going to go post up a cha-cha or whatever.

Well, not Cha-Cha. I've never been to Cha-Cha and they're racist. I'm on the right side of history there. Here we go. Congratulations. I'm just going to take this Japanese culture and then as two white guys just become millionaires off of it. First of all, James, they were millionaires to start with. Let's not forget that. Third of all, Cha-Cha. I know that Cha-Cha and Matcha people listen to this podcast for some reason. like fans or like the yeah and just if you if you guys are listening fuck james and i would love the lifetime matcha card if you if i think we deserve that we've talked about on this show multiple times i haven't been there in months um but they fuck with the pod they uh they fuck they through throwing fits on their like friday whatever like things i'm listening well they wear they wear they wear street wear so they would like you guys okay all right um so it is a shame that they ended up being racist though it is a shame The issue with the five-inch baggies is that Lawrence and I just started getting into bigger shorts, keeping the five-inch baggies, of course, in the rotation. Bigger as in bigger how? Blowsing shorts? Like bigger as in longer inseams? Bigger as in longer inseams and just like flowier, like the isemiyake en plisse. Yes, yes. I love those, not for you, but I love those for women. I love them for me because, They just somehow garner a breeze up. They're like a chimney flue. They get the breeze to go up your balls and just tickle your taint. It's amazing. I don't know what the physics of it are. We don't talk like that on this podcast. Jason, can you bleep that stuff out, please? You can say taint. You can say taint on Anchor. Wow. The Cornhole Ridge. Or the Gooch. We'll go with the Noguchi. It's Goochie! I don't think – I actually did a shoot for Neighbor, the store in Vancouver, and I was wearing a big pair of shorts for maybe the first time in my life. And I didn't like the way they looked on me, but they were exceptionally comfortable. Insane how comfortable they were. They do have chimney sweep energy despite how comfortable they must be. I mean it's cute that you guys are discovering Issey Miyake at almost 40. But hopefully it will lead to more high fashion stuff.

And you can check out Izzy Miyake's clothes on grail.com as well. They probably have some good stuff up there. That's true. Not in the collection this week, but maybe when we refresh next week. But now the thing is that there's this whole like inseam war on TikTok where all these like hot young women, very young, almost too young, were like, yo, five inch, like five or die, right? So like all these fucking basic ass, like huddy ass dudes and all these LA guys are now like, yo, fuck, five inches. That's what we rock now. Which is such a shame. Because we were on the right side of history, and we should have been the vanguard of that movement on TikTok. But it happens right as we're adding more silhouettes and lengths and shit to our repertoire of shorts. So you're saying that you were too far ahead of the curve yet once again? Sometimes it's tough. Sometimes you set trends too early. Bro, I've been five inch since 2005. As the person who had been, Lawrence probably wouldn't give me credit, but he knows where he got it from. Wait, Jason, if you were five inches, your dills must be popping out. Yeah, do the math, bro. Nutty's is out all day. It's just simple science. Just bat-winging up and down Wall Canyon. But that's why I blow him out, and then I have underwear underneath. It keeps it all in there. He wears his Comme des Garcons Y-Fronts with the brain blown out. What underwear do you guys wear? What type? Uniqlo. Boxer briefs only. Jason? Boxer brief, usually Calvin. I thought you were a Bjorn Borg guy. Bjorn Borg? Jason or me? Both of you nerds. I was just kidding. I cop 12 packs of Hanes boxers. You wear like dad boxers? Like a flowing cotton boxer? An assortment of different flannels and plaids? Exactly. You don't even get Brooks Brothers, bro? You're getting Haynes? Yeah, bro. That's pretty cool. That's when I know, that's when we separate the men from the boys and the shit. You know what I'm saying? Everything in my life has to be right. You clearly cut corners in some places. But the thing is, to me, that's right. To me, that's right. I don't like boxer briefs because I don't like wadding my shit up. I like the airflow.

You know, I don't like confining my meats. I'm not like a... Jason, does it feel like James is trying to convey to our listeners that he has a giant dong? No, not at all. It's not leading down that path, sure. All this hog talk is making me uncomfortable. If you guys had the visual element, I could just give you a little pixie right there. But again, you don't see... Chris just saw the fucking... He saw the cornhole ridge. James, let's go ahead and get you out of those shorts, all right? Let's get that dick out. So, so how many hours a day are we working on failing fits? Like what's your day to day looking like? Yo, so it's kind of crazy now. Like, like, I don't know. I wake up, I go on like a bike ride or I just like work out or, and then I just read and drink coffee. And then I don't know. It's day to day. Like, I think that it's probably like three full days of work. Also the thing is, and this is not, this is not like talking shit, but like to get on the phone with Lawrence. What do you think could be a half hour turns into an hour and a half very easily just because we just fucking banter because that's what we do. Hold on one second. Am I the Lawrence of this podcast, Jason? The fact – I mean, yeah, clearly. Okay. That's unfortunate, but I think I need to hear it. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. How do you – yeah, I mean, sure. Is that because you just are long-winded and verbose? That's a good start, yeah. Yeah, and I'm doing it naturally without any substances, which is pretty crazy. Exuding large amounts of confidence. Yeah. Braggadocious energy. I'm not braggadocious. Lawrence is unhinged. I'm not braggadocious on his level. You're dumber than Jason is what you're saying. Depending on the day, it's possible. Yeah. All right. Yeah, then yeah. So you're basically saying your full-time job takes three full days a week. Yo, so like yesterday I would say we were like working or like on the phone for like six hours, five, six hours. Today it's going to be like – I mean this counts as work, right? I'm out here fucking plugging the pod. So this is – I don't know how long is this going for. That's true. We'll be fine. Don't worry. We'll be very – Yeah, this is going to go for another two minutes. And then we're cutting a fucking boys-only slapper tonight. And then tomorrow we got Taylor Lorenz coming on to talk all things TikTok.

So I got to put in the fucking oppo research on that and go into my, you know, typical five-hour TikTok hole a little earlier than normal so I can, like, come up with some questions about fucking Jake Paul and Lil Huddy and Addison Rae. And then Thursday, you know, it's on to fucking secondary and tertiary revenue streams. Sounds like a pretty good life to me. And then Friday, I'm off. Wow. Actually, no. Friday night, we got the juicy Zoomy. So Friday night, we got to fucking plan that shit. How is my King Chuck handling all this? Chuck is – I'm a little – he seems a little – I think COVID and quarantine have really gotten him down. I think that he was really into the whole vibe check, which Chris, you tapped into, I don't know, like two or three times. Jason, we got to get you to tap into that. It's making his triumphant return next week. So you guys should definitely come through. I think that he is a little like all of us. He's a little sick and tired of this. He's very, he's being a very good boy. He's taking this shit very seriously. He's being very responsible. He's a pussy is what you're saying. Yeah. When, when kin folks shut down, I got the text, like y'all come through and a few of us gathered and definitely created a super spreader event. Um, but we were able to like drink all the beer that they had left. But Chuck, I was like, yo, Chuck, come through. This is like your family. He's like, Oh no, like, you know, COVID. Um, He's found a new role heading up our gaming division. He's the leader of Pal Nation. Catch him on Twitch every night, basically. Twitch is streaming from, like, fucking, like... I get the email reports the next day from Twitch. It's like, you have streamed from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. And 56 people watched. It's like, yo, Chuck, what are you doing? Eight hours of streaming for 50 diehards. But it's really, like... he streams with his high school friends. And I think that, um, I don't know if he like feels kind of like he's become a beloved character on, in a throne for this universe, rightfully so. And he's like God's perfect angel. Like Lawrence said in our New Yorker profile, which came out, uh, between Lawrence's episode and this one. Okay. Um, we know all about your little profile. I actually, you tweeted it. You tweeted it. Yeah. Because I'm in it because I'm the, I make you guys look like serious adults the way they framed me in that, in that profile. Are you in it?

Yes. There's a whole thing about me talking about addiction that makes the podcast look like it's not just dick jokes and video games. So you're welcome for that. They're like, what's some serious stuff that some guests have talked about? And I was like, cancer, sexual abuse, sexism in sneakers. And like, we'll just go with fucking Oxy and Chris Black. Yeah, because they want subscriptions. Much like throwing shit. Pills are sexy. Pills are sexy. James, what are you guys doing? Speaking of that, what are you guys doing to increase maybe more of a female-based audience for you guys? Or is that a desire for you? I feel like there's no chance, but you could try. So this really crazy phenomenon has popped up. Every Friday on our IG story, we put out a call for FitPix, FitCheck Friday. And we get literally hundreds of submissions. It's wild. And this new phenomenon is apparently there's a bunch of women working on a Fit Check Friday looking for a man's. They're going fishing for some fucking dong. And they literally will hit up dudes that they see that have a fire fit. Because we'll tag every submitter. We'll tag their handle. And then so you can very easily go to their profile. And apparently these women are. these female fans are going into and this is like empowering and amazing that we're we're just fucking you know serving up a buffet of meat and these women yes but do you think do you think the women realize that they're all virgins or do you think they have to figure that out later i think they cross that bridge when they come to it when you know the guy's like oh is that is that what a vagina looks like some people are looking for a virgin all right that's true that's yeah for sure um That's not why I'm on TikTok. That does sound very, very empowering, and you guys are doing the important work, and thank you for that. I think bringing on more interesting female guests, we had Nicole McLaughlin. I think I'm saying her name right. She was a very popular episode. She talked about facing sexism in the sneaker industry and the whole shrink it and pink it phenomenon.

And how she like came up with, you know, and still is coming up with ideas that people just rip off and claim or like men claim. Could you explain shrink it and pink it, please? Yeah, I've never heard that. I've never heard that before. So it sounds like a sex move, but it's actually basically in the sneaker world. They're like, yo, we got to make a women's shoe. OK, let's just take an existing model, make women's sizes and then just make it pink. I'm very glad that I didn't know what that meant. That proves that I'm not part of the sneaker community, which is thank God. I think Jordan was accused of it because they would always just put out like the women's releases would just be like pink, whatever. Sneaking and pink is a very apt title for that. And I think that transcends footwear in general for all types of female based products. Yeah, for sure. And yeah, I think it's just like having on, I mean, you guys know this just as well. Like it's about having on guests that will. hopefully bring in new audience and then you they have such a good time that you convert them to come back next week so on and so forth but yeah i think like the i think we're like i don't know [redacted address] more than i would think yeah same i'm very impressed i'm very impressed yeah and then you can let us know what the actual numbers are after we're recording because that's bullshit You can send us an email and just let us know. It's off the record. You guys just had Jonah Hill on your podcast, which came out today. Yeah, the homie. Great get. You guys recorded that. I was just listening to it before this. You recorded it in May. What was the delay for putting it up? We recorded it the day after George Floyd was murdered. By the time it was ready to come out, everyone, Jonah, us, the whole fucking content industry was like, hey. let's put a pause on everything so we can have like more meaningful conversations and figure out like figure it just figure this out later and we actually put this out on our paywall behind the paywall with no social promo like i don't know a month ago um just because it was you know we're sitting on it and we wanted to give the patrons like something and then the plan was always to like put this out as a free app so eventually we got to go ahead um we you know worked out with jonas team and

Yeah, I went live today, and I don't know. People seem to really like it. I mean, he's probably one of the only celebrities who actually you can have a real conversation with. Yeah, yeah. He's not promoting his movie the whole time. No, not at all. He's just talking about Leo's fits. We'll give that a listen. I mean, I probably won't, to be honest, but hopefully some of our listeners will. I was listening to him mentioning that he enjoys Bottega Veneta. But it's just really expensive. And, you know, if Jonah can't afford it, who can, is what I want to know. I mean, he wears the row, so, you know. Yeah, but he grew up with MK and Ashley. You know he's getting flow team. Oh, that's true. Yo, the row flow? That's really where I'm trying to be. James, thank you for joining us, King. Yes. It was a pleasure. And honestly, this was overdue. And I think it's nice to show both Habs. of failing fits fairly on this program so people can judge who they who they like the least for themselves the fact that you invited on the white co-host like me and warrants being equal the fact that you invited on the white co-host that's your own internal white supremacy that you have to dismantle and i'll leave i'll leave that to you um and you know and your audience to judge but thank you guys for having me uh and and um where can they find you on the internet obviously they know about about failing fits but where can they find you personally i am at dr taco no it is not a pussy joke it is a potato chip brand from thailand and actually warrants like way back in the day was like yo you should you should get a twitter and i was like what the fuck is twitter he's like yo just like do like it's like uh you know whatever just make one so on twitter i'm dr underscore taco md so like this is stupid i don't need a real fucking name and then on ig it's dr spelled out taco and again it's not a pussy joke It's just a delicious brand of potato chips in Thailand. Your Instagram leaves a little to be desired. Your Twitter is great. It's a recommended follow-up. What do you recommend or what should I do with IG? Because I've always kind of struggled about giving a shit. Well, then don't. If it doesn't come naturally, I think that's the thing with social media. Whichever platform comes naturally, you lean into that one. So if TikTok is your platform, James, then by all means, go for it. Did you or did you not forward the TikTok I sent you to your homie at Essence?

I didn't know. I didn't. I didn't even watch it yet. I was busy. Please do. It's gone viral. And I think that essence should cut us a check. Okay. I love virality. Thank you. Thank you, James. Thank you, guys. Everybody go listen to Throwing Fits. If you've listened to every episode of How Long Gone, you have nothing else to do. Thank you. We'll talk to you soon.