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Yeah, no, I mean, I got to Atlanta. I woke up early this morning, had a great day in the afternoon at the pool yesterday at the Dive Motel in Nashville. I got a little sun. I was a bad boy and had my favorite pasta from Rolf and Daughters, my favorite Nashville restaurant. Which one is that? I know, is it like the buttermilk one? It's this weird cachoe pepe they do. and like the the pasta noodles look kind of like their hand twisted yeah yeah exactly yeah it's it's big heat um so you were eating a full big body cacio e pepe last night which is all off brand for you on brand for you but out of out of practice for you yeah but i knew i don't know i just needed it it's it's too good it's like i eat it every time i go there because it's the it's my it's like i think about it when i when i I mean, Nashville, it's a go-to dish. I mean, I feel I need it right now in terms of food very, very strongly. That's the only real way that we have to blow off steam, which is to eat bad boy food. I mean, unfortunately, I thought they were doing the kind of thing where you could eat it on the patio, but I had to take it back to the hotel. You thought that because you were in Nashville that this hipster restaurant would be a Democratic one, but it was a Democratic, not a Republican restaurant? Yeah. Well, I knew it was a Democratic restaurant, but I think that the rules are just on a sliding scale depending on day of the week. Yeah, I might. There's a small chance that I pull up to Dintai Fung for dinner tonight. Let's fucking go, baby. Give Dintai... They need some... tj funds you know what i mean you need to put some money back into that economy that no they don't need my money they have they have a lot i've the only time i'm spending money at restaurants is is to support the small businesses that really do need it and they are not one of them but just oh i see so so you're making kk pay i like that that's smart well she she has she has a gift card you know caruso bucks

oh okay no funds are ever exchanged at the americana period you know what i'm saying i like that wow you're actually fucking the man that's cool we are yeah we it was it was weird walking around the the americana which for listeners who don't know is like a big outdoor mall that is terrible but everyone loves it at the same time it's kind of like this weird thing i don't even know It's the Grove for other people. Other people. Well, I mean, the Grove is terrible. And I guess it's the Grove, but for LA people. The Grove is more for kind of like tourists. You know what I mean? Like it's a real tourist trap because it's in West Hollywood. And it's a thing that you do. But the Americana, it's more of just like a place for everyone in LA to go who... has no culture or anything. That makes a lot of sense for you then. You know, people, people who are unable to, to entertain themselves with their own mind, they have to just like, I want to go to this place. And then in exchange for all of this being given to me, I have to buy stuff. I have to buy some stuff. I absolutely have to buy stuff. Sometimes you just need that. Sometimes you just have to have that. I just want to walk around and people watch a bunch of guys in Yeezys. And, you know, it's bad. That's what I did today at a quick trip gas station about an hour outside of Atlanta. So I know how you feel. Sorry, go ahead. No, that's it. I'm really happy to be in a major metropolitan area. I bet you are. Finally. It feels good to be back. I reconnected with America. I liked some of what I saw. I didn't like some of what I saw. And now I'm in the comfort of my parents' home in Decatur, Georgia. Decatur, where it's greater. You think LA is next? What's going on?

I mean, I would love to come to LA, but I don't know what the move is. I don't really know what I would do. Well, I mean, you'll do all the stuff that you would do in New York, but it would be better here. Yeah, but I mean, TJ's fucking motel is closed. Jake and Adrian's motel is definitely closed. So actual hotels are actually closed. So then I got, you know, I don't really, I don't really, I mean, this is a whole podcast, but I don't really fuck with Airbnb that hard. But, you know, for long term, I guess there's no other choice for a situation like this. I mean, you know, give it another few weeks and I'm sure TJ's hotel will open back up again. You know, of course, we'll have to all get tested before. Yeah, we'll see about that. I mean, you know, you can't, you can, you can scan my, you can scan my head before I walk in every day. I like that idea. I like that idea more. Oh, anyway, today we do have a guest. Don't worry. It's not just going to be me and TJ talking about balls and racism. People love both of those things right now. That's true. That's true. We have our guest. We're going to give her a call. Patia Borgia, who you may know from Instagram. Patia's Fantasy World. an incredible account that is, that is funny as fuck, but has also risen to prominence in the last few weeks because of some of the resources that she's been able to compile and put together. Particularly the one about how white people should talk to white people. I think that that speaks to Jason and I directly. Yeah. But also, also, I just think that it's interesting to, to find someone who is young and engaged and also like, kind of just flipped their platform when they saw an opportunity and it's been like a true resource for people of kind of all shapes and sizes. And everyone loves it. It's funny as fuck. It really is. I mean, that's just the way that that, you know, I think that making this really difficult kind of dense information, mixing that in with truly demented memes is the most 2020 thing you could possibly have.

That's how you speak to people. It is. It's how you speak to people. Anyway, we'll give her a call and she can explain it to us a little further. Wonderful. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world and i know you particularly have quite a lot of questions a lot of questions but how often because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot how many times do they do three times a week and i i have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do that's just a guess the guardian is not some billionaire owned They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Oh, this is huge for me personally. This episode of How I'm Gone is brought to you by TaskRabbit. Oh, baby, let me tell you something. This is not a joke. I use TaskRabbit a lot because I can't do anything. You need some art hung? TaskRabbit. You need something put together? A cabinet? Got to reach that cheese grater on the top shelf? TaskRabbit. Anything you need, TaskRabbit can take care of it for you. How it works, TaskRabbit connects you with skilled taskers in your area. They can help you move. They can assemble furniture, repairs, yard work, mounting, and more. You can search for a tasker based on cost, skill set, availability, and past client reviews so you know exactly who's showing up and can have confidence that they know what they're doing because taskers have assembled over 3.4 million pieces of furniture, completed 700,000 home repairs. handled 1.5 million moves, and the numbers are just going up, Jason. Yeah, throw a little money at the problem. It's not so expensive. And that job that you really don't want to do is something that another person out in the world is very good at doing and would gladly do it in exchange for a little bit of money. So when life happens, your to-do list grows. Get ahead of it now and get $15 off your first task at TaskRabbit.com or grab the TaskRabbit app using promo code

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Yeah, seriously. Thank you. Oh, my God. No, it's gotten fucking crazy. Like, yo, these companies are wilding. Like, everyone is DMing me and I don't respond. Like, first of all, if you're talking to me and this doesn't, the rate is, like, less than $1,000, we can stop talking. But I stop responding and they just get their other employees to, like, DM me. And it's like. What do they want from you exactly? Do they even know? They list the topics. One publication lists the topics and I'm like, this is literally everything in the fucking database. I don't know what you're asking me. Why do I have to vocalize it? Just read. I made a free thing and now you want me to talk for free? I could be jerking off. This list that you made is really awesome. Could you make a list on how to read this or something? Yeah. Or maybe a spreadsheet? I'm not sure of being like, yeah, a lot of people are recommending me books, but like, what are your personal favorites? Cause I have too much to read. I was like, that's like not my problem. It's really not. I mean, I do think that, um, well, first I would like to get some info on your, on your backgrounds and where this all came from and where you came from particularly because, um, You know, it's just, I feel like I haven't seen a lot about that. I've seen a lot about the work itself, but I would love to know where it all comes from. Yeah. So I'm from Jacksonville, Florida. I'm 27. Damn, I guessed that you were 27. I just want to shout myself out, shout myself out. I was 27. I moved to New York in 2010. I'm like, I don't know. I was like pretty. Like I was like an A honor roll student. I remember when I was like in fifth grade, I got a scholarship to like this prestigious private school, but it was cause I was like the smart minority kid. Like my mom was like, like I literally got this scholarship and they took me to the principal's office and they were like, you can't tell anyone because the other parents are going to get jealous and mad. And I was like, what the fuck? And like, so I kept my mouth shut. Cause I was also just like, what? Like I didn't have a desire. I was interested in education, but I didn't.

care about the hierarchy of it. You know what I mean? Like I wasn't like my dream is to go to private school for middle school. But like when I, when I got in, like this, my best friend who was white in elementary school, she found out and she like got her parents to pay to like go to the same school. Just cause like I was there for free. So you, they hired you or they, they, they, they got you on board just so the other white kids who thought you were cool would follow. it was a plan that sounds like jacksonville jacksonville to me but basically i like with recent events like i don't know i kind of grew up knowing about everything going on right now like my parents were pretty my mom was filipino but like she was like pretty good at teaching me about like how the world is gonna be for my sister you know like she was like yeah you're like mixed but like you are presented you like you present blackness and My dad was also, like, he was super, like, military army, so I grew up, like, hearing the most boring shit, but a lot about, like, civil rights stuff, but also, like, Rodney King happened before I was born, but, like, that was something I knew from when I was, like, five, you know? Sure. Like, I knew how the system was. That's very unique. Most kids don't have that at all. Well, I think it was because, like, I was fortunate to have two educated parents, and, like, granted, I fucking hate my dad, but, like, I think the one thing is like, as I'm older, I'm like, I'm so fucking like, I'm grateful that I had that. Cause like my dad did teach me a lot about us history and it, everything I know is like, not only from black experience, but from that, but also cause like you just, I didn't learn it in school. Like I didn't, you know, they teach you like Martin Luther King, one human race bullshit. And like, I probably knew more about the Holocaust from school than I did my own history, you know? And it's like, clear what U.S. education prides itself on, and it is, like, kind of this level of, like, whiteness in any capacity. Learned a lot about Christopher Columbus. Yeah! And, like, I think when you learn, and when they teach these things, they don't really teach it as if, like, it has any effect on people right now. When, like, all of this stuff really is from, like, motherfuckers not wanting to pay tax. Dan, that's actually a really good point, though. Relatable.

When it's presented as history, it's almost like, oh, this is a long time ago. Don't worry about it. You just need to know this because this is where it all started. Yeah. But it started, that's when the problem started. And it never stopped. We're still in it. So I think taking all of that knowledge I've learned, and I think living in New York, when I moved to New York, I kind of felt like I wanted to move away from Jacksonville because I was like, I can't live in a city that is like... black and white like there's kind of no room for any other minority or being mixed and like you know it's really boring lifestyle like i wasn't really interested in like dating my husband marrying my high school sweetheart like i didn't have like i was just like this town is trash you don't have to explain why you want to move out of jacksonville florida yeah yeah like like i we've all been there we know we know but then like when i came to new york like the past sorry jacksonville like the past 10 years now it's kind of interesting that it's like There's so much implicit bias in New York, you know, even when I think like I'm pretty social. So it's like I go out. The jobs I've had were like in art and fashion. So those are predominantly white industries. But even like going to the fashion thing, like I'd have to wait for my wife for the show because like the fucking door bitch wouldn't take me seriously. You know, like she was like fashion's night out crowd type. I mean, I think all of that is true, but that, so did you come to New York looking, did you, did you, did you come to New York to go to school or did you come to New York? Yeah, I got into SBA. Okay. I didn't, I wasn't, I was coding when I was younger. And then when I, when I was senior year, all my guidance counselors were like, what are you going to do? And I was like, I don't know. Cause I. it's fucked up now to think about when I was younger but I remember when I was little I was just like okay like I have so many skills like I was good at art like technically and like I was good at like I was good at coding but I was like I want to do something that helps people and like that you know I I don't really think I had a like my mom is um my mom is a chemist and my dad was he was a teacher but he mainly spent a lot of time working for the government so I didn't really have

That much access to, like, other occupations. You know, I didn't know what existed until, like, the internet hit, and I was, like, a teenager ordering the Miss Shapes book, you know? Wow, now we're talking. Thank you for relating to these two late 30s white men. You finally said something I understand. So the only job you knew was chemist or DJ? Yeah! Oh, in my childhood, I wanted to be an astronaut. I wanted to work in space. I was really into science on a serious level, but I was like, damn, if I go to space and die, that shit sucks. That was the only thing that kept you from being an astronaut? Yeah, I'm glad. And then I wanted to be a lawyer because my mom's divorce letter was really good. And then I was like, damn, like, to be a lawyer, you gotta, like, love lying. You know what I'm saying? That's true. That's true. That really is true. You can make a lot of money. That's the most money you can make from lying, probably, for sure. Yeah, and I was just like, you know, like, I feel like when you think about, like, what is there that you can do that makes money and, like, helps people, like, almost everything just has, besides social work, just has some form of, like, it's, like, fucked up, usually, you know? Sure. But, yeah, so I was in New York, and I just, like... through my trajectory of like 2010 to now I just worked at a lot of fucking places and you know I just like the things I thought were cool the magazines I thought were cool every time I had an interview every time I had to like walk in somewhere every time you know when like you start to realize who works for certain places and you're like that's who's running this like that's fucking whack and it changes you like I used to think the fader was cool as fuck No, I can tell you. We all did. I sent them a fucking cover letter, and this nigga corrected the fucking typo I had. I was like, yo. I'm going to find that email. Like, that shit was crazy. And I was like, yo, fuck you. I Googled his ass. It was a white man. I was like, I know damn. He was like, next time you send cover letters to publications, like, you might want to proofread. I was like, whoa. That's honestly, that is.

You know there's a 50% chance that that person is Chris's man's too, right? Yeah, I definitely know him. For sure. I definitely know him. I guarantee you right now. Well, we always used to make fun of the fader because it was like they would pander so hard. They have like the whitest person on one side and a black person on the other side. So that way they could just get both without like having to make a decision, you know? Yeah. two covers so go ahead no no no i was just gonna say like a lot of what led to the database was like looking at my own experiences and realizing that like like you know on paper like that shit successful if my name was like ashley adams i'd be having a six-figure job easily like straight out of college or some shit but like i had setbacks and it was because like i was either presented as like intimidating for people or just like too much Or like, I don't know. And I think that is like a form of racism that people don't want to talk about because obviously the focus is on police brutality. But like police brutality wouldn't exist if like white people were so complicit to it. Well, I would like to talk about that because I do think there's a stereotype of like black women being too much. Yeah. In general. And I don't understand. You know, obviously that stems from racism, but I don't. I feel like it's. i've always found it to be pretty fun the too much part like yeah like i think it's like fun to be around and and like kind of exciting almost well i think it's crazy when people say because like when i was younger i was shy so i want to say like i was super shy i think a lot of it was from like not being able to get like a cool job that i like i think i was just like so insecure about those things like i came here with no money i was like really on my own um i mean my mom was like supportive but you know it's like you if you're not rich and you have a parent paying your rent like you ain't rich like that's just the point blanks but when did the shy part go away for you kind of i left new york because i was just so broken i didn't know what the fuck i was gonna do in like 2014 and i came back 2015 and then i just like started hanging out with like my little friends and i was going out

And I have, like, savage white friends. Like, every white person I'm friends with is savage as fuck. And so I just kind of, like, learned. I was like, you know what? Like, if these motherfuckers can be savage, if they can steal bottles of alcohol at, like, Balthazar, like, it's out. Like, shit. Stealing bottles from Balthazar? Okay, like, not Balthazar, but... Like, close to. Close to. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Another less popular Keith McNally establishment where the bottles were taken. I'm not going to blast anybody. I love it. But, like, yeah, I was just, I got that, like, savages from, like, a few of my close white friends. And so I think that was also kind of, like, an interesting thing I realized. Because I was like, oh, like, yeah, if they can be savages, if they can be messy, I'm going to run with that shit. And I'm going to do it on the internet. And I don't care. And it seems to be working. No, I would agree. So you're back in New York and you start this Instagram account. Yeah, I started Bundle Update first. Bundle was a term that my friend Shane from Bitcoin. And it was like bundles like hair weave, but also we coined it as cocaine. So we had this account called Bundle Update and it was pictures of everyone doing coke. Like not like public. Like we had like everyone, like everyone in my scene is kind of like relatively well known. But it was just such a headless era. Because like, you know, 2015, we were leaving the toaster filter, but we didn't know where to go on Instagram. We were all searching. We were all searching for something at post toaster filter. And I found drugs. And so I just had this account. You know, we had Vogue editors following. I was like, this is crazy. But people would want to be on it. Like, little 17-year-olds would DM us. Like, can you post this picture of me? And I was like, no mail. Like, submitting photos of them doing cool. Yeah, like, I know the law. Like, you will not get me fucked up. So then, yeah, that was cool. We made a part two because we got banned because we started posting people's nudes. Like, approved. Sure. And then I was like, you know, you can.

private accounts just aren't it with that type of content. Like the headlessness is because it's public. And also Instagram was less strict. So then I had 50 years fantasy world as a finsta. And then, yeah, I just made it public one day for no reason. Besides like, I was like, I don't have anything that like, I wasn't posting pictures of my like avocado toast from cafe jeton, you know, like there's no secret. If I want to post that, it's public. Well, I find finstas to be strange to begin with, but I feel like it's just a generational thing. I feel like I'm just too old. I think finstas are only good for... There's going to be a harsh take, and I started with my friends who listened, but you don't need a finsta if you're boring as fuck. Unless you're a professional-ass person, or you're in the direct spotlight. You have to be doing some Finsta behavior to warrant having your own real Finsta. Right. Bundle Update had pictures of cocaine vials on people's assholes, the little round thing. That was savage, but that's also Finsta material. Yeah, I would agree. I would say maybe that's defining Finsta material. You've got to be slitting your wrists on IG Live or else the Finsta, we don't need it. We don't need it. We don't need it. But it started taking off, and then obviously, you know, I imagine that when you decided to pivot, or use it for a greater purpose, I guess, was the response immediately good, or were some people like, yo, I follow this shit for memes, what the fuck is this? I think, like... throughout all of it I've always kind of spoken up not so much as intense as now but I think like the people who knew me in my circle and were following and obviously that's how it spread like word of mouth in New York because most I think like most of my followers are in New York but um it's always that what I'm doing now has always been a part of it just not in the same way like I think

I wasn't really into Instagram stories back then, so I think that's a different part. But back then, I would still post shit, making fun of white people always, and the system. But no, when I did it, I think most people who had followed me for at least a year were like, it made sense to do. I think, if anything, the new people were like, oh shit, this account is even better than I thought. Because I'm not so personal on it, but I think my personality can come out through the post. I feel like if you follow the Twitter and Instagram, it's all full circle. You get me without even having me to talk, really. Well, what I was saying to Jason earlier, and I think this is what's so important about it, is that this stuff is so difficult to talk about and so dense. So I think when it's cut with humor, even if it's the most absurd shit, it makes it all more palatable. You know what I mean? It makes it all a little easier to digest, which I think might help some people take in the information. Yeah, for sure. And yeah, I think, I mean, I was overwhelmed with the response. I didn't think that it would really go outside of my circle, even with having 100K, you know? Because I know how I reached that. I mean, reaching that number was just, I think, like... when everyone really started following me and like of course like celebrities reposting and stuff but like the like the feedback is nuts and you know and it's kind of it's like funny because it's like i'm not really responding to like brands or anyone that like didn't give me a job and shit like i'm like i'm like get the fuck out um you said uh you said at the beginning that you're you're in school right now what what are you in school for oh software engineering What kind of software do you want to engineer? Honestly, I wanted to do cybersecurity mainly, but the cybersecurity course I wanted doesn't start until September because of COVID. I just did this course to brush up on my coding skills, but cybersecurity is more of my interest. I would like to work with my friends who have brands and just implement better security online for any tech company or something.

I don't know. Especially now, a girl I know who works in cybersecurity, she's like, yeah, right now it's crazy because I'm just making a shitload of money. The hackers are bored. They're just trying to hack. That's lit. I'll take six figures for that. To sit on my ass doing what I do? Hell yes. I didn't think about it, but you're right. The hackers are fucking bored. The hackers are bored. Everyone is home and everyone is clearly stupid. Are you in New York right now or did you go back to Florida? Hell yeah, Bushwick. I'm not repping Bushwick like that. I just thought that was funny. My room is cheap, like whatever. So are you out in the world or are you like pretty locked down? Well, I don't like people and I don't like going out unless it's to get dicks on lockdown. Are you a COVID truther? A what? Are you a COVID truther? Like, what does that mean? That means, do you think that COVID is some fake shit? Oh, no, not at all. Okay. I mean, like, when people tell me they're conspiracies, they say it, and I'm just like, but how does it benefit everyone? Like, rich people need poor people in this country to work. Actually, that makes it very clear. You're absolutely right. We don't live in an economy where rich people can stay. Obviously, the generational wealth and Jeff Bozos and shit. Business owners need workers. They don't know how to do that job themselves. Yeah, we need people who are willing to work for a very small amount of money every year. because they can live off of that yeah and they can go they can go work at bon appetit for i just think there was a lot of they should have had i mean obviously it's like fuck trump all day but i feel like the worst thing he ever did was who like they need to fire the person doing pr because i feel like the worst thing the media could have ever said was that like young people can't you know it doesn't affect young people like so it's like when you start out with a like pandemic and like everything you hear is like four different things it's like hard to get a whole nation to care

Versus how they did that shit in China. You know what I'm saying? They cleaned that shit up because everyone listened and was on the same page and the facts were laid out properly. But here it's like, oh, you don't got to worry about it if you're under 40. And it's like, oh, but a 27-year-old died. I mean, I think that's the whole... The lack of leadership and a voice of reason is definitely the fucking problem. Because you're right. No one knows what to make of it, really. Yeah, because the information presented is incorrect, could be correct, half correct. Speaking of information, what do you think about a lot of this stuff being distributed and done in cute millennial graphic design? I think it's so dumb. When I made an asset for mine, when I made the little post being like, my database is launched. I mean, I thought it was cute because if I can put a hella kitty on anything, I will. Especially an Excel spreadsheet, which is what you really don't see appearing there too often. But I thought that, I think my problem with infographics is that it never works, right? We've all seen it since Trump got elected. I don't think that people need to be fed digestible information. I think people need to do the work. what the fuck are you like you know if you post a graphic that says defund the police and there's no explanation really and that's in depth you're not really saying much you know like i'm seeing a bunch of kids saying like a cab and i'm like i don't think you know what that means like it kind of goes beyond what's happening right now like this shit has always been happening i think there's also something like even people younger than me that are like You know, like, I see a lot of people, like, so proud of themselves for making their little protester kid snack packs. And I'm just like, like, I got into some beef with this girl because she was like, long story short, like, this abuser was, like, organizing some protesting bullshit.

and i was like i just dm'd her because she kept reposting my um database and i was like y'all doesn't why would you keep reposting considering you're working with abuser like i don't need this man to like fight like i don't need y'all to march like just stay home just stay home sis because like that's the better option but she was like he's doing a lot like he's like doing a lot of groundwork in the different boroughs i'm like what i just say stay home because like the fact that you're priding yourself on making granola snack packs? Bitch, you need a fucking broom to eat Nature Valley. I'm just saying, I would do this all differently. I would have lunchboxes with a long strap. This shit look ghetto. They'd be putting masks in the paper bag. And, like, the mask isn't sealed. It's not. Like, what the fuck was the point? I should have just brought my scars. I don't think they're thinking it through. I don't think they're thinking it through that hard. I'm like, okay, I get it. The police are crazy, yes. But that is the most disrespectful. If someone handed me that little paper bag. Yo, we love Nature Valley so much, though. Just let us cook with that, please. We don't care about the mess. And it's dry. Like, it is summer. You need, what they need is those, what are those fruit gummies that taste like powder? Welch's. Taste like powder. Well, speaking of, I have noticed by following your Twitter account that you seem to have an obsession with eating only applesauce. Oh my God, I thought you were going to say dick cheese. Yes, applesauce. Well, there's two trending topics on your social media right now. One of them is the cheese that appears on a circumcised dick and the other one is applesauce. Yes, because... Let's break both of those down, please. I'm going to get... Dick cheese is lit. I only had that. It wasn't on purpose and I held my breath and I don't think they knew it was there. It was on my ankle.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Have you broken quarantine for dick? No, this is like an old ancient tale. No, no, no. Ancient tale from February 2020. And then the applesauce is, forgive me if I get canceled, but I'd be ordering my groceries on Amazon because Instacart is fucking bugging. There's never a time. But anyway. I ordered my groceries in May and I accidentally pressed quantity of five on large, like the large bulk applesauces. Okay. So I'm just trying to consume it. Like I told my roommates to eat it, but they won't eat it. Okay. So you don't love applesauce. You just are trying to trick yourself into liking it because you have so much. It makes me feel like a baby. I get that. So I like it. I like it. And I bought a Hello Kitty plate, and that's what I eat it on. Maybe I should try that, actually. I'm trying to Benjamin Button myself. The shits are nasty. They're like pebbles. That's not good. You're not selling it. Yeah, you're really not selling it. You don't got a bathroom? It goes away. It goes away. You got a bathroom. Look, I still don't want to... If it's pebbly, I don't want it to be around. It's like a 7am deposit. You know, it's like direct deposit. It's literally fine. But it's healthy. What were you talking about, Dick Cheese, though? An old ancient tale of when I've seen it once. But I didn't want to say anything. You've only seen it once. Yes, I thought it was just a meme. Like there's a meme of like a picture of pizza. And it's like when he pulled the foreskin. I thought that was a joke. Well, you know, I think it is. It is a joke, but it's based in truth. Yeah, that's terrible. I've never. Yeah, I've never. I've never seen. Seen that with my own two eyes before. It could be shocking. You don't need to. Where do you get your news from?

yeah that's a good question because i do not be fucking with the news yeah actually my girlfriend that was my girlfriend's question i asked her what a question that she would ask and she she was curious about that okay i get it from black twitter i usually like i i love twitter more than instagram because i don't mind doing reading you know like my friends who don't like twitter they're like i don't like to read i'm like it's literally like 140 characters. Even a thread is more digestible than an article and people are very concise in their threads because they understand. To be good at Twitter, I think everyone who's on Twitter is smart. Instagram is where the stupid people reside. Fuck your blueberry pancakes. Well, you're talking to two members of the Twitter community that are verified. So we obviously respect your opinion. I like Twitter. You can be savage. Like I saw that. Yo, I saw this tweet that was like, we don't care if you got 500 likes on Twitter or on Instagram on your photo. You better take these two retweets and 42 likes on here. I was like, that's so true. Like Twitter people think you ugly. Well, I. Black Twitter is kind of an enigma that I hear about a lot and I think I've flirted with before and I understand some of the jokes, but I would love for you to pass on some great black Twitter accounts for our listeners. No, you don't have to do that. Don't listen to him. It's not your job. I don't even think I follow the people that... Well, there are a lot of people out there that think that black Twitter is an app and not... we will never advance yo dead ass if racism doesn't kill me stupidity will like i'm literally gonna have a heart attack like what the fuck do you so like any any major like news source or website you're not really trusting or i'm not really trusting you know i'm very anti sean king

follow any like news source i mean i'll read like articles that people like post and i'll repost them but i think like trusting a news publication as a whole is kind of tricky you know yeah i think twitter really is the best and all you need you just have to follow yeah well you have to follow the right people who who you trust because you can trust a person a lot easier than you know cnn or a network that is you know based on making money And then also, like, because I grew up watching the news and stuff, like, you know, it was, like, on every morning and stuff, like, while I got ready for school. But I think sometimes, like, the news, they don't really be saying much. Like, journalism doesn't say much, you know? Like, if you watch CNN every day, it's, like, 80% the same every single day that week. You know, it's, like, a protest update. Not much is still said. There's somebody in office, you know? I was kind of like, whoa. See, I'd be on my, like... I'm very like, vote if you want to vote. I don't preach that because like, you know, the backlash and then you get the people who are like, well, that's how we got Trump because the black people didn't vote. And I'm like, well, the statistics show the white people voted. So handle that with your majority. But, you know, and everyone right now, like this is how I know people are stupid because there's all this protest shit happening and people are like, see, this is why y'all got to vote. I'm like, who the fuck does a presidential election have to do with this shit? Like, we had Obama, Trayvon. You know, like, all that shit happened. Like, no president was willing to be like, fuck the police. They were just like, we need to do better. Why do you think the president is so scared of the police? Like, our president right now? every president because they none of them will do anything you know what i mean which is what you're saying like yeah i don't know i mean i think it's i don't think that u.s politics is really was ever really built on humanity in the first place because i don't understand how you can be in a position of power great power and not do anything and i mean i know that's obviously not just america and stuff like

My mom tells me shit about the Philippines all the time. I think she's used to corruption. So she's very like, yeah, it's all just crazy. And like, I kind of grew up in that sense. And my dad was very like, it's crazy, but this is how you survive. But I think presidents are maybe scared of the police. I don't know. I always assume everything's about money at the end of the day. And just like having power, like police, I feel like are low at the totem pole, you know, like it's like the person who couldn't get into the army. uh yeah and that's that's saying a lot because the army will take them all so it's pretty bad but you know what i mean like i don't i feel like you never really need a cop who's had like mad experience it's just like i've been a cop for 40 years and it's like damn you're fat as fuck like shouldn't you be working out instead of like chasing little black kids when you can't even run like black people are fun like they're uh fast as fuck like what the fuck but i don't know i always assume that maybe the police just give people in government maybe they make it feel like i don't know because i'm just like you could literally let the people go like they're like yeah i think the whole system that the whole system is like flawed we all know that but i don't think the police are helpful like You know, it's like you read about, like, at least my parents were in a domestic violent relationship. And it's like, my mom never called the police. When I was young, when I was kind of getting older, I was like, why didn't you call the police? And she was like, what would they do? And it's true because, like, even when you watch, like, TV shows about this stuff. Like, for instance, even on TV, like, police suck. Like, you know, they show up to the house that has, like, a domestic violent situation. And then the husband's like, oh, we just had a small argument. And then they leave like they don't do nothing because they don't know how to assess those situations. Like, how the fuck does it take seven years to be a lawyer and six months to be a police? Like, how do you enforce the law that like people have to actually study the law for years to know? Well, I think that I mean, I do think that is the issue is that they're not equipped for the problems that they're, you know, supposed to be fixing. And that's the I think that's the main takeaway from the reading about about defunding the police is it's like, you know, these people.

aren't equipped to deal with addiction or mental illness or, you know, all these things that half of this shit is getting called about. You know what I mean? That's probably what half of the calls to 911 are. And they're so physically violent, you know, in their response to those situations. You know, it's like they're really aggressive. Like, they don't calm you down. Well, I think they're taught that it's us versus them. And that's the mentality, and that's why. And that's the problem. Yeah, it escalates so quickly. And I think that's the thing with the protests, too. It's like, if you show up in full fucking riot gear with machine guns, then there's a vibe. Right. Like, people are going to get kind of riled up. Like, it's also just so extra. Like, oh, my God. Like, how the fuck are you going to be, like, 5'4", afraid of, like, motherfucking regular-ass civilians? Like, that shit is so wild. And, like, the use of, like, batons. Like, that's a fucking stick. Like, I know that shit hurts, but, like, for the person who's being violent with the baton, it's like, how the fuck do you look? Like, that doesn't even look like self-defense. Like, okay, will you shoot someone because you feel threatened? Fine. But a stick? Dog, what the fuck? The stick is demeaning. Well, I think good help is hard to find, and there's so many police officers that are needed because the government is afraid of everything, that they just hire anyone. Anybody! Anybody. You see how they look? They look crazy. Like when you go to a Whole Foods or something, and you're like, it used to be chill here, and now they just hire anyone, and there's no customer service, everything is trash. The same thing is happening for our police. The same thing happening at Whole Foods is the same thing happening in the system. We need people who are better qualified. Ever since Amazon bought Whole Foods, it's been fucked up. And ever since the government bought the police department, it's been fucked up. Literally, who gonna save us? So your fantasy world master list has been getting a lot of...

a lot of attention online and a lot of shares and stuff. And the section of, of white to white conversation obviously jumped out to us as that's what our, our, our podcast is literally about. Yeah. So, so thank you for that. And, and a lot of these, a lot of the questions and topics in here, you know, are, are some, some difficult ones for a lot of white people to ask and answer. And do you, what do you what do you think is going to happen do you think there are you know how how much time will will it take for white people to really kind of open their eyes and see you know how they've been fucking up so much i think i mean i think it's like lifelong work like i think for me learning my own History is a lifelong thing. Like I constantly had to read starting when I was in elementary school, outside of school and stuff. I think it's like a lifelong work of unpacking and like sharing that information. Yeah. Because I don't know, I was kind of talking about this with my friend yesterday and I was like, yeah, like the black community is so vibrant because so much of it is built on sharing information because that wasn't taught. And I don't, I think that like white people. I mean, white culture sucks, but the fact that it sucks, like you should make it lit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, okay, if you're tired of people generalizing white people, which was like the craziest thing people have been giving me shit for when I first started really posting, but people would be like, not all white people. And I'm like, here we go. But I think, okay, if you're tired of hearing that, wouldn't you be like, you know what? Let me change. Yeah, let's change the narrative. Because I will go to the grave dragging white people if I have to. And every good white person should also love and recognize that they are the best people to be dragged. Yes, like all my little white friends, girl, I had them working those crackhead hours on Monday to baseball. I was just...

ordering my Uber Eats. I was watching Criminal Minds, checking up on them every hour. How's it going? You know, I had them working. I had them making filters in the Excel. I was like, this is how I want to design. Make sure every sheet is like that. Y'all think I typed all that shit in? Hell no. I had the white people working. And then at the end of it, my white friends who worked on it sent me money. Exactly. Damn. Here he is. period that's a double period internship program this is how to be we're living like white people need to realize we are in a show right now it's called america's next top ally because it's a lot going on like you have you have no other choice if you don't want to be an ally then empty your purse and leave new york leave wherever the fuck I don't know. Just leave. Because it's just not right. You don't belong here. But the white people are putting in that. My little white friends, they are out there in the streets. I'm like, I will go protest, but that walk looks way too far. That little Brooklyn Bridge to Town Square, girl. That's what white people used to say just two weeks ago. Literally, they're happy about it. And now they're washing your feet. off of nature valley what do they have you know white people are all on adderall yeah that's true they're like bundled at the broken protest i've seen people protesting and drinking after i'm like what's that hard for i don't know one of my one of my friends hit me and said he was he was in one of the protests and there was white people like laying in the park drinking rosé like during like They had taken a break. See, that's when I start being like, fuck gun control. What the fuck are you doing? What do you make of all these apologies from brands? Boo! It's so crazy because this is my thing. Honestly, I would just write some short ass shit. I don't really give shit. I'm sure everyone will see me dragging brands.

be giving shit to the brands that have one little sentence. You know why? Because you cannot expect a company run by white people to have a statement. You just can't. You can't. They don't know what the fuck they're talking about. To have one that actually has any meaning or soul behind it. Yeah, I would rather make a short little concise statement. Even a little Black Lives Matter post. We're donating this. Fine. I'll let it go. But these companies that are writing these like they're writing these essays. And I'm like, how do I be writing all of this? Like, what the fuck do you know about black people? You don't hire any. They know a lot about writing essays, not a lot about hiring black people. Right, because white people love semantics. You know, they love that. You know, I've seen a lot of them putting, fuck, what's that one acronym? Like B-I-P-O-C? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, what the fuck did you learn? Semantics are our love language. In the fantasy world group chat, we was like, what the fuck is BIPOC? We were saying some stuff that didn't cancel, but I was like, oh, like most people, even black people, most people thought that meant bisexual people of color. That's definitely what I thought. That's where, yeah, I think everyone thought that. that's not it. But I'm like, oh, these white people really Google, you know, they went through like the educated black friends from Yale to see what to say. And that was like their little cool, that was like their Virgil Abloh of their life, you know? Like, it was crazy. The brands, boo, give it up, delicious. People need to do better. Well, that's what I'm asking though. So obviously a five page Instagram apology ain't it. So what is the answer? Hire black people and give away money? Yes. Okay, that's simple enough. I mean, that's easy to understand. Like, stop selling fucking t-shirts. Yo, I went off on Noah. I don't know if y'all... I didn't really post it publicly. I think I did on my Twitter. I don't know. I went off on them for that little Fear of God shirt, and I was like, that seems like the most insensitive shit ever, blah, blah, blah. You're feeding into a machine you're creating. You know, you can't complain about young kids caring about clothing when you sell a shirt.

for like donations because at the end of the day that's a waste on the fabric and like resources like when you think about sustainability whatever so they like listened and whatever they wrote that whole like we have failed post hit me up and then today i get a fucking email that i'm gonna like go in on when i get off this call but it was from like this pr firm that i i know this girl and they were trying to give me the free shirt i was like You're making little ass kids buy a shirt that says fucking Off-White and Noah on it. Spend $100 so that you feel better about doing something for the community. But behind the scenes, you're giving away this shirt to influencers. Seriously, kill yourself. I would rather... Don't even march. Don't even donate. Because the intention isn't good. You know what I mean? I'm like... Don't fucking be on the street if the intention isn't there. Like, I don't give a fuck because I've seen this happen so many times. I live this life. I think the t-shirt thing, because we've talked about it here a lot. I think the idea behind, not that one, not the Noah one in particular, but just in general, is that it will encourage people who might not give money to give money. Well, there's other ways of doing that. Like, I used to work at Richardson, or I guess I still do. I'm just like, quote unquote, unemployed there. but like there's this black gay bar it's only black owned gay bar in harlem called alibi not in harlem but in new york and we were trying to figure out what to do and they launched it today but i was like why don't you hold a raffle for five dollars per thing per ticket and like you know the price can be like store credits but at least the people who feel like they don't because when i was um when i launched the database and i was like i'll take donations because like this was a lot of work for free that i didn't have to do And it was emotionally taxing. There were times when I was crying and I was like, what the fuck am I doing this for? All types of shit. But people would send me my followers. They're all pretty young and stuff, but they would send me $5 and this is all I have. And I think we have to get people out of the mindset that the amount matters. Damn. Yeah. No, you're probably right. I agree. You can make people... There's a way to make people feel like even if they donate $2 that they're contributing to something.

Yeah, I had Richardson do that. And this bar had already met their goal, but I was like, whatever more is better. And a raffle's $5 that's already doing well. And that's a simple, effective way. You raise awareness. You're not being gifted something because of it. There's a chance of reward. So that's the excitement. But it does make people feel like even $5 that is going directly to something is enough. And I think people should remember that it's not just about organizations. People should help out. you know, their local favorite spots or whatever, like check in on them on Instagram, see how they're doing. Cause like people don't, especially black people, like black business, like people don't always ask for help when they most need it. I do think that the, the donation thing has become a little bit competitive and that does take away from kind of the spirit of the whole thing. You know, it's like, obviously like I fucking dragged Virgil cause I thought that was irresponsible. Regardless. Because, like, I called it on Twitter. Like, I knew after I made all my little memes. Because I know, you know, you know people be watching. Like, we all have people. We're all one degree away from Virgil. Like, everyone who was, like, somebody. And I knew people would be watching. And then I remember New York Times made an article. And then I made a tweet that was, like, four hours later, he gonna come back with a statement about how much he really donated. Like, how the fuck do you donate $20,000? The same as, like, a smaller skate brand. that made no sense but i think the problem with virgil the problem with virgil is that it shows that white people can't do the same thing so they see a black man in a position of power but they will validate anything he says because they're like well this is a black person and he got to this top and they they're not willing to be like but is he saying was what he's saying right because when he wrote his statement and it was like i'm a black man i'm dark dark it's like you wrote that statement for your white friends. Because no black-ass person... When have you ever read a black person make a statement and be like, I'm dark? Like, we know you are. You also got in that position because fashion highly fetishizes and they love dark-skinned black men. We see it across the board. Like, runway models are always ultimately, like, dark-skinned. There's not really anyone who's, like, medium brown or whatever, or tan. It's always, like, a pale person and, like, someone as black as my computer monitor. But it's also, like...

When he, like, says that he's, like, scared about, like, not getting a job or something, it's like, no, you're not. And, like, but the thing is, is that, like, people will prioritize, especially someone like him, they'll prioritize his insight because white people have this view of, like, oh, well, if someone is Black and in power, they worked hard to get it. And that's not the case. Because there are most Black people who are in power, they were just... being uncle tom like you know they were kissing white ass like i've seen myself get high positions in jobs because i kissed enough white ass you know what i'm saying like and i was always on my but like for me it just sucks because i was just like this shit like i'm as you can see i'm like crazy but for someone like virgil who you know and it's like this whole week that he's like just talking about the work he's done and like he's launched and it's like inspired by his hero martin luther king i'm like yo you white as fuck for even coming at people with Martin Luther King right now like I have my followers reading Asada Shakur my nigga you are way behind like you are it's just not it like you like these white people know what the I have a dream speech is like they already know but I think that's the problem and like I think that's why a lot of people and black people were upset and like my people would never really fuck with Virgil because it's like You are abusing that power because that shit trickles down, you know, like even till now, like so many people will send me things from like other black people who have that position of power in fashion. And they'll be like, what do you think about this? And I'm like, oh, they're only asking because there's just like, wait, which black voice do I listen to? And I'm always like, you should always listen to black women point blank period. But you cannot trust these men because at the end of the day, they're just, they're still men and like men are opportunistic as fuck. And like, I'm just like, I don't know. Even when he clarified the $20,000, I was like, that still sounds cheap to me. How much money would you like to have seen Virgil donate? How much does a designer make like him? I think he has a lot of brands. I mean, I'm assuming based on what I see on the street, but when I posted his memes, man, people were like, yeah, this is why I bought fake off-white. So I'm always buying real off-white now. White people!

In Soho, you'll be seeing the, everyone has the yellow belts and you're like, I know damn well this little child did not spend on $300. But it is like white people buying less, you know, like the really rich, like Upper East Side kids. I think everyone with that type, I mean, okay, if Kanye could give two mil, I would say like $400,000,000. say in the millions. No, he's not. He doesn't have money like that. That's what people don't understand. Okay, so 500. Well, then he should learn to make money. I know he got multiple jobs, too. I'm like, you got mad jobs. You got mad jobs. Like, just give it up. If I'm ever seen as that great and I'm working on five different things, I didn't make it. Like, I thought the whole point was that, like, you get rich and do less. Well, I think some people, like him in particular, I think that the output... They like to be relevant. Yeah, it's fun to be part of the conversation all the time. You know, if you need that, then once you get to that level, it's easy to keep that momentum going, you know? Oh, yeah, my fans are coming for me. He actually did a 20K. I'm like, great. So as much as fucking awesome, like, what are we talking... Like, I don't know. I think... I think the amount matters with people who have power. I don't think the amount matters for regular people. Does that make sense? Yeah. Because it feels like a slap in the face, I think, when someone in power who has money doesn't donate a lot. And I think the problem is these people who are in power, they'll encourage others to donate. And it's like, you know the world is on unemployment, right? Mm-hmm. Like, I don't... obviously I gave the resources on where to donate but I'm not posting shit like make sure you donate because I'm also human and I'm also a regular working class person and I understand it can be hard to make that decision but like when you just see people in power make like forcing you to do something I think it's kind of just like like tone deaf because I think rich people come by Kylie Jenner could fix this bullshit in a heartbeat you know what I'm saying like if people if all these rich ass people just use their voices and stop like

I just did this thing with the NYMAG just now, or, like, the cut just now. And I was saying, I was, like, like, I kind of feel like I'm the only one with, like, the platform I have, like, as 100K followers. But I feel like I'm doing more than these brands. You know what I'm saying? Like, I live in Bushwick in, like, a four-bedroom apartment with my friends. Like, I'm not living, like, a glamorous life, but I put in the work. And, like, I wasn't too good for it. I didn't have time to do it, but I made time. And it's just, like... No, everyone can, especially those people in power, they can do way more fucking work. Well, thank you for doing that. And stop leaving it to people like us. And stop leaving it to regular people to do. Well, I think the reason it works for you is because I believe it when it's coming from you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I believe it when it's coming from you. I don't know if I'd believe it if it's just some brand. I think I would just scan past it. Yeah, if your fantasy world master list was created by a reformation or... or something like that. I don't know if people would really be digging in and sharing it. They'd be like, oh, great. I don't know how people were surprised by the reformation thing. Okay, I'm going to be real. You cannot trust an old brand built on sustainability. That shit is weird. Well, selling stuff is the antithesis of sustainability. Yeah, and it's just like the price point is always fucking insane. keep using a straw. I'm going to recycle it. How are you spending your money right now? I just bought some Chanel slides. My mom saw them in my Instagram story and called me. I bought some Chanel slides. I'm like, I just gave you two racks. You're asking for way too much. She recently retired. She recently retired, but she can't. She retired kind of early, but, like, she can't get her pension or something yet. Plus, like, you know, like, Corona fucked up all the offices. Yep. So I was like, all right, I'm going to, like, help you out with, like, the money I made from, like, that database that I made. What does your mom, does your mom, like, is she, like, logged on to understand how poppin' this is? Or does she, like, not totally get it? Oh, for sure. When I gave her that money, she gave her that money. She was like, what did she do? Well, no, she, like, the first response, she was like, what's the database? Because she had seen the Instagram. She follows me.

And I was like, it's this. I was really short about it. I was like, you know, I kind of just made it for my community in New York. I made it because I didn't want the people around me to think that they were exempt. That was the main point, which is why... I wrote the intro the way it was. Like, it was like a letter from me to my friends, to my followers. I didn't think it'd get big. I guess it's easy for a lot of people in, you know, in those worlds of, like, open-minded, artistic, experimental, you know, queer, whatever, to feel like they're exempt from all this going on. Yeah, like, white people feel exempt if they're like, well, I'm a liberal. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, that don't mean shit at this point. You know what I mean? You got the Democrats and Kente Clark. which is honestly iconic but crazy because i literally i like i remember when i was growing up my dad was like we're black we're not african-american we're black and i was like that makes valid sense like i'm not from africa like i have like our last like my government name like his last name is very like it's like slave descendant shit you know it's just like regular master's name type shit but i remember like my aunt then my aunt they were like they were very like black elite and she would like take me to these like kwanzaa things i you know i was confused as fuck because i'm not african but you know that was the whole vibe you know we had like activities and stuff i didn't know what the fuck i was saying that they made me repeat and like african languages but when i saw that shit i was like now i know damn well it's not kwanzaa like what yo that was the craziest thing like they should have just ruined rainbow for pride month i mean the fact that that got all the way to the point is crazy it's i know it's honestly insane like you motherfuckers want to tell me to vote in november like everyone can literally die like that

Like, I won't be writing my own name on my absentee ballot whenever the fuck I figure out where the hell I'm actually registered to vote. It's been a minute. Those, that picture is truly something else. But I mean, I think it's also like the fact that there's so many, they all agreed to do, it's just like, it's not one person. It's like 10 people. I mean, that's the thing, I guess, with the database too, right? I was trying to raise awareness around my friends being like... You can have all the fucking education in the world. You can still be a dumbass. Politicians went to college. You know what I'm saying? These people who were participating in that, they went to college. They got their master's in some bullshit. And yet, that happened. And it's the craziest thing. I did this early college program when I was in high school. So I did four years of high school and two years. And then I spent two years in a community college to get my AA. But I remember... You know, like, I took, like, sociology and I, like, learned how the world was. And, like, everyone takes those basic-ass little classes. And I'm like, clearly the info is not retained. Mm-hmm. It is not. Yeah, we all know so many people who went to college. You know right or wrong at this point. Who are very, very dumb-dumb. Literally. And you can just buy yourself into it. Yeah, you pay to play. Speaking of that, I saw you tweet something maybe last week or something about how. You are an intelligent person, but you give off bimbo vibes. Oh, I let my friend River start using my Twitter. So that was not you. Yo, they made a post the other day. She made a post and she was like, I'm going through all my sex videos and I'm wondering which one is the one I got chlamydia from with my favorite trade. I was like, oh, because then I had the straight people I post up with be like, yo, what? And I was like, my friend's posting. Oh wait, no, I did make that tweet. That's a good excuse. Yo, my friend got my Twitter account. I don't really know. No, but I remember I did make that tweet. That sounds like something River would say. But I get confused now that I did make that tweet. What was the question? Why do I feel that way? Well, do you actually think that you give off bimbo vibes or do you do that on purpose? It's not on purpose. I think it's...

It confuses people because, like, you know, I was a 4chan child. Like, I was an incel. I still kind of am, you know. Like, I know all about that shit. Like, I was on the dark web when I was 12, bitch. So you were on 4chan when you were 12? Whenever that shit first dropped, I was on the dead ass. That will fuck you up. Were you a Tumblr person too? Yeah, but, like, my Tumblr was more so the same shit I post now. But, like. I also was into, when I was getting into, like, art and fashion, it was, like, it wasn't basic, bitch, but it was nothing really special to hold on to. Does that make sense? Sure. Like, I had nothing to say about my Tumblr. It was, like, fine. But I was more into 4chan. And, like, I was never, I wasn't a hacker, but I was interested. I was, like, fascinated by the world of 4chan, basically, and, like, the dark web. It's a fascinating place. yeah like i grew up like i didn't i didn't really socialize much so it's like when you're just in your room on your computer and it you know it wasn't regulated like my computer was in my room next to my tv so that's all i did but yeah i think like people often i mean i think people see it now because i think i think i'm aware of the power of the meme account now before i wasn't really but before it was also because like Some of the people I was around and just like, you know, New York is very clout, Chasey, unlike art, fashion, music. And it's like, if you don't really do any of that, you're not really relevant. So I had this meme account and I still had thousands of followers, but I didn't do all any three of those things. So in real life, I wasn't popping. You know, like I was like taking jobs for 15 an hour. Like I was like working at restaurants, like nothing cool at all. And I think the intelligence thing is, I guess, easy to read now. Like people seem to find it. I don't know. Like from what I'm getting from the people who follow me now, it seems very clear what I'm doing. It is like a meme account, but I am speaking on shit. But I think, I don't know. Sometimes I feel like I'm bimbo. Cause I'm just like, like I just be staring at my wall. This is so sweet. Like I have depression, I have clinical depression. Like I just be like, what the fuck? And then sometimes I lose faith in humanity. Cause I'm like, we have come to a point where I'm the leader.

Damn. That is crazy. So you've probably made a lot of personal breakthroughs in your own life in the last six months, I would say. Literally. The one thing I learned, though, was that I only got this far by just speaking my mind. I never censored. I didn't care if a job I wanted saw my Instagram. But also, I feel like once you get to a certain point and establish yourself and what you want to be, it's almost like, do you really want that job anyway? Well, if you were like a shy computer incel kid growing up and now you have no filter and you don't censor yourself at all, what happened? What changed in you to become who you are? Is it drugs, alcohol? Because that's what it was for me. I think it was just like observing. the world around me you know i kind of especially when i came to new york i always felt like even the well-known black i feel like even the one on black influences even you know when like there was a jump in my know like influencers and like every fucking body started casting minorities and like everyone is always kind of everyone's like and i get it because i am also a minority but everyone every dj gig was going to the females i know You know, everyone, when they had press, no one was saying much. People would always be like, yeah, it's really hard being a minority, but no one really said much. And I felt like all the press I've been getting and have been getting, I always kind of use that as a chance to manipulate and use to speak on me and what I'm doing. Because like, okay, yeah, sure. When people kept reposting the video of George Floyd, it's like... People are like, what's for awareness? No, everyone's fucking aware. It's just that, you know, I don't live my life thinking about police brutality every day. I don't. I know it happens. I mean, I don't think about it in a direct way. Like, obviously, I think about blackness in every aspect. But it's like, you can't, especially in New York and, like, the people we all know and stuff, it's like, you have to be explicit with these people because they will separate themselves from the average white person in America easily.

Like, when I tell my white friends to fuck white people all day, my friend's like, haha, yeah. And I'm like, oh, you don't get it. Or it should be haha, I'm sorry. Like, at first, you know, like, I feel like for the past few years, especially as social media got more, like, social justice-y, it was always, like, this funny joke, right? Like, if you're white, you have to laugh with your black friends saying white people suck. But it's like, oh, no, I wholeheartedly mean it. Like, and this is why. And then, like, the conversation has a pause because I linked, like, five articles and shit. And I'm like, oh, Lord. Now they stress. And, like, I think it's also, though, because somehow, like, white people have a really great way of making you feel like you're doing too much. And I think it's time for that to be over. You know, like, I've been gaslit so many times. Like, people, when I call something out on, like, even cultural appropriation, someone will be like, well, you know they didn't mean it like that. I'm like, here we go. I'm like, if we had a dollar for every time someone got called out and said, well, you know they didn't mean it. It's not about being malicious. It's just the fact that you shouldn't do it. Right. Yeah, your intentions don't matter because it could be confused. Although the bone apple tea thing was carrying. That was so funny. What did you think about the bone apple tea thing? I don't know. Nothing about it. I just saw the photo and I was like... Damn, the internet went off. I think white people just needed something to get behind. I think a lot of people were that, because I was like, when are we reading bone apple tea? Well, it's very popular, but it's also, I think that part of it is that the food world is very, they're having a little bit of an issue with race, and it's coming to a head now, too, of all sorts. Yeah, that's what I'm realizing, because, you know, I don't. work and food. I need applesauce. You're a chef in your own way. Yes. It's a trickle down of we want to dismantle the police, the government, politicians, and now also fashion publications. I know these girls got to be stressed. These PR girls are stressed right now.

I mean, it's tough. I mean, it's easy to not be racist. It's easy to not be racist. It's tougher to clean that shit up. See, that's the thing. These brands might as well work on it now. Don't even bother about selling shit. Because most of these poppin' brands, they have the money to keep running. Let's be real. If you have to give up your $3 million salary to pay your employees... all fucking well, people living on 20,000, like you'll be all right. But it's like, you might as well fix it now because I think what's happening now, like, you know, employees are coming out. It's not going to stop. No, we're, we're just, I think we were just seeing it get started. Yeah. Like I think, I think, you know, every time this happens, it's the same, like, it's the same, like kind of timeline, you know, it's like the weeks of protesting, then it dies down, blah, blah, blah. But I think the difference with now is like how many people are like coming out about how they were treated and like workplaces are like how they were paid. And I think that's really interesting because it is kind of like, you know, I think employers, especially like companies and publications that think they're the forefront of culture, like they don't expect to get called out because they think that like their little magazine is doing the work. You know, they're like, we put a rapper on the cover and it's like, yeah, but the only black lives that matter to you are rappers. Like, that's not saying much. You wouldn't, like, nobody would be trying to befriend Young Thug if he was, like, who he was before he got famous. That was, like, a regular hood person. Yes. Yeah, and just because you put one black rapper on your cover and then G-Eazy 12 other times does not make that okay. Yeah! And, like, it's not doing the work. I don't know. I think that, I think these brands get caught up with like, I remember there was this era, I think when, like in 2016, when people really started having conversations about shit and people, you know, black people were like, we want representation. And then that was the representation, you know, it was like rappers. And I'm like, this ain't me. Right. Well, I think, I think there is a change of coming.

There is. I will not shut the fuck up about it either. You should. It's an exciting time. The white man is very scared right now. They're so scared. I'm literally about to drag. I'm about to drag somebody and make them wish they never got into their job like today. Why? Damn. Can you give us an exclusive? Yes, because I got sent off. Oh, the fader. Oh, it's the fader guy. Oh, the PR. Yeah, the PR. So who do you want to, who, who do you predict is going to get canceled next? Yeah, that's a good question. Honestly, I don't listen. It might be a long list. However, my friend had this good idea that I should make stickers. Like I should get a logo on stickers and on businesses in New York, it'll have the sticker that I approve of your business and your practices. That's a great idea. Like the Yelp approval. That's a great idea. You know how they do the food restaurant? Yeah. Like the Zagat guide. Literally. That's funny. You can do a t-shirt too. People can wear it. If I have a fucked up business, how much do I have to pay on the low to get that sticker? Two mil. I'll sell out for a mil. Sell out for a mil. No, you got to do better than a mil. Trust me, a mil goes fast. Oh, and a lot of people have a mil. Okay, I would do... I just have a little coffee shop. Oh my God, how many more coffee shops do we need? My problem is the coffee shops don't be having bathrooms. Get the fuck out. That's a very Larry David thing. That is very Larry of you. Well, you know. Why the fuck am I going to purchase from your establishment to drink a beverage and I can't pee? Come to California. I'm supposed to go to Seaward Park. No. Come to LA. We have so many bathrooms wide open all the time. I'm supposed to go to LA for a weekend because I'm in school full time. I really can't wait to go to Moon Juice. I'm a white woman at heart. I'm going to be real. I live a very bougie life. Me and you both, sweetie. I can send you the white girl spreadsheet. Don't worry.

What is the, yeah, when are you going, when are we going to see you go Hollywood? I feel like it's time. Are they calling? Is Hollywood calling? Actually, I just forgot. I'm even forgetting. You know Eddie Wong, Eddie Wang? Yes, we know him personally. We're working on a show. Oh, wow. Wow. How long gone exclusive? Thank God. So, yeah, tomorrow I have a meeting with a manager because I can't, like, do all this shit. Like, the shit I'm getting in my DMs is just kind of too much right now. Amazing. And also, like, so many people keep asking me to do shit for free that are things that have money. But it's also, like, you know, like, it's fun for me to drag people and call out when I feel like it. But I want to be, you know, I want to have someone else do that. You're not always in the mood for that. And it's good to have a third party. Yeah, and so, yeah, we're working on a show, you know. That's big. Me. I think, like, the cons, you know, it's going to be, like, my memes is, like, the themes within the show. I have to, like, the next two weeks I have to work on writing. Yeah, we need you to have an agent, a manager, a lawyer. We need all that shit. It's coming. It's coming. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm also in the process of turning. to an LLC because I've been doing consulting and stuff. So I'm going to trademark that tool. I really hope all of this turns into a large monetary gain for you. And I'm being dead serious. I'm going to beat Oprah. I honestly know. I think you're exactly the kind of person who should benefit from... doing the work. It'll be very fun to watch you get very paid. I'll say that. Yeah, exactly. Like, I want to see you rally out with money. I'll be so nauseous. I'll be like, I just blew 100K on Moon Juice. Fuck y'all. Well, please remember us when you get to the top. I won't forget. We're the best white men podcasting. Just don't forget it. I was told to say this is like the best, most important hipster podcast.

That was Raktakon. That was Raktakon. We know. Well, you know what? It is, and now we're going to use your quote in all our promotional material. You should. You literally should. Because I used to read Hipster Runoff. A classic. A true classic. Which has nothing to do with this, but like, yeah. I mean, I was in Hipster Runoff all the time. Period. That's period. You were hipster runoff. You were Carl. Hopefully he's still alive. All right. Well, thank you so much for doing the show. We appreciate you taking the time. I know you're busy. Of course. We really do. Thank you so much. Thank you. I can't wait to see where it goes. We'll talk to you soon. You too. Bye. Bye.