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It's just me, your boy. One-on-one pod, CBTJ only, Sunday afternoon. Clash of the Titans, bitch. I did a light, active recovery day. I went on a hike this morning with my friends Tom and Elsa. My first hike since I've been in California, actually. Where'd you go hiking at? Griffith. Okay, okay. Yeah, it's important to stay well-rounded with a hike, even though you're not getting those... It's a fake exercise, but I'll take it. Those four-minute miles, it's not a fake exercise, Chris. I was sweating, which is nice, and it was nice to catch up with them. Obviously, if you're really exercising, you're not able to socialize. That's true. Combining the socializing in a socially distanced manner outside the beautiful California weather on a Sunday morning, all praise be to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It was an excellent start to my day and just a real reset for the week. Because it's not only about working out the body. You have to also take care of head, not to quote Bradley. Yes. You're right. It's true. You do have to take care of that head. And my head game dummy, yours, we'll see. It's a road. Well, it is a road. Actually, Tom is the guy who co-owns District Vision, and they do a lot of meditation and a lot of that kind of wellness. All that stuff. All that stuff, but they do a really good job of it. I think they make it really approachable. But they're going to be doing more, so I should probably dip in for some of these. I think they're going to have specific meditations that go with running or anxiety or whatever you're dealing with, which I think is a smart idea for them. Yeah, I've been trying to set up a little sound bath at the crib with my LP just to help her along with her meditation vibes only.

So is it like a Them Jeans DJ set sound bath or like a real one? It's both, actually. I've been telling her to get into meditation more as a practice. She does yoga all the time, which is obviously a very meditative activity, but you need a lot of tools in your arsenal and just one won't do. If you're still experiencing anxiety or stress or anything like that. That's true. You have to keep on adding more logs to the fire. I mean, the only log you should be adding is that big-ass blunt full of that indica. You know what I'm saying? That'll get you. But that's the problem. LP stays zooted, but I guess... Still doesn't. So she can be absolutely smizacked off the indica, but she's still getting a little flare-up. Yeah, well, I mean, more so, it's exactly that. It's putting out a flare-up, but the fire still burns. All you're doing is kind of putting a stinky little indoor Band-Aid on it when it should be all-day outdoor Indica vibes. Yes, you're right. So basically, I plan on... Setting up the Sonos on full blast. And then loading up an NTS playlist of new age, ambient, field recording. It's not going to be a Them Jeans hour and a half long Radiohead B-sides and ambient tracks. It's going to be like real. Okay. I'm not going to be in the mix during this. I'm also going to be. dipping into the sound bath. I was thinking you would pre-record it, but the thought of you being in the mix live with the CDJs in the house is a much cooler idea. Jason, that's something we should think about for a revenue stream. Diplo has already co-opted the ambient meditative genre. He released a bunch of music.

I saw an Apple Music playlist or something that he did, and then he has a record of ambient songs that he's made because he's about that life. I didn't know that Woke Ripple also had a steady mind. It's surprising. Bro, in this EDM game, you have to. That's true. Cutthroat. Wes has taken a lot of different musical genres and made them his own. So now he's stealing from white people like he should have done in the first place. I'm not saying he's stealing, but... I'm not either. All shade aside, it is impressive for him. There's no other artist I could think of that has been like, yes, I'm going to do... Almost every genre of music, popular or not, he has... He has found a way to get his claws into it. Big Diplo stay in the lab, you know what I'm saying? What he does is he diversifies his bonds because you never know if Tao Beach Club is going to close down and then World Global Smash songs by Pitbull or Burn Up Boy will no longer be useful tools in the arsenal. He knew that it was going to be work from home. social distance, vibes only. At the right time. He put down the Indica and went right to the lab to make that sleepy music. You know what I'm saying? For you to get right. Your boy, Calvin Harris, could never. Tiesto could never. Man, that new Calvin Harris Weekend song really sucks. how can you honestly the weekend is on fire the last weekend record is so fucking good how can you make him bore i don't i mean it's just like calvin harris is is i mean he's had his moments but damn i was disappointed with that one well i was a little disappointed calvin calvin i i much prefer calvin to the weekend but

That song, it sounded like they had an idea of what they wanted to do, and it was a cool idea in their head at the time, but then when it came out, it just wasn't kicking. We got the scratch track. That's what it felt like to me. I think they're like, what if we did this 80s Miami Vice smooth Coke jam kind of energy, and then what came out was not hitting. Calvin, if you're listening. Feel free to come on the pod and defend yourself. Drop the ab routine, Calvin. Yeah, but I mean, he has so many smashes in his catalog. What's his real name? Is his real name Calvin? No, it is not. I don't remember what it is, but I know that he's Scottish, I believe. We know Jason's written a couple checks to Calvin Harris in his days as a top LA nightlife promoter. The other way around, buddy. Damn, Calvin Harris was cutting DJ Them Jeans checks? Tell me more. Well, I mean, he's not opening for me. I'm opening for him. Oh, I see. I understand. I'm sorry. You made that sound cooler than it was, and then I forced you to bring it back and make yourself look bad as usual. Okay. That's right. But no, I actually never did book him for anything, but if I ever did, it wouldn't have been a scenario where he's getting a bag. It would be like a, you know. This is cool for you to do. You need to do it. Yeah, I wouldn't have. Show up with the USB sticks, black out for 30 minutes, play your Rihanna song, and keep it moving, buddy. That's right, that's right. The same way, you know, a Diplo would do, where it's like, hey, Diplo, I can only pay you, you know, $1,500 for this, and he'll be like, you know. There's a certain scenario where just asking somebody to do it for free is less insulting than offering your kittens. I always think that's actually a funny thing. When you see celebrities doing stuff, sometimes I'm like, oh, they did this for free because what you could pay them is insulting or pointless. So it's like, just send the car service and I'll show up and I'll do it. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure when Adam Sandler was agreeing to do Uncut Gems, they weren't going back and forth over how much money he was going to make on those distribution splits and shit. Yes, no, you have to understand every situation is different. You cannot capture the bag from everyone. Sometimes that is not.

the situation um you know we we haven't talked about the the the drake merch leak we have not talked about the drake well maybe i thought we did maybe i think you lost that track remember oh shit run that back run it back certified lover boy in stories october um of course he should always release an album in october maybe he does and i just didn't even pay attention to it No, I don't think he does because Drake loves the summer. He loves to talk about how he's the king of the summer. You know what I mean? This summer, though, he took it off. He's in the cut. He's in Toronto laying low because he's about to come with Certified Loverboy in store soon. Well, what he's in is album mode, Chris. Jason, what is it? Are we in album mode? How do we get into album mode as a podcast? Is that possible? As a podcast, that is actually a very good question. I mean, album mode, when an artist announces on their Instagram that they are in album mode, I believe that means for the next three weeks, I won't be trying to fuck chicks. And I'm going to just try and see how many cool songs I could write. I'm going to do my absolute best to stay in the studio and not go out in the club and get photographed. It's the rap equivalent of a positive affirmation of, for the next month, I'm only going to eat fruit for dessert. I'm not going to watch Netflix. I'm going to read a book. It's the same thing when you say you're in Alamo. I'm not going to do Xanax. I'm not going to go to the club until 4 in the morning. So is being sober the ultimate album mode? Well, yeah. When you're sober, your whole life is in album mode. But also everyone's album mode is different. My life is not only a motion picture, but it's also a double LP is what you're saying. A gatefold 180-gram vinyl double LP. But for some people, they need to be really high.

or drunk to make the album. Well, we've discussed this personally. You know, I only want my artists zonked out on something. That's when the best music is made. I think Drake's highest point was when he was gone off the codeine syrup. Oh, absolutely. The Drake lean era is my personal favorite era of Drake. What is it about lean that makes rappers Output increased. Because I have done lean. And you fell asleep. Yeah, the only output is figuring out how I'm going to get off of this chair. Young thug looked over and said, yo, get Big Bird off the couch while he fell asleep in the studio. I'm trying to work. But, I mean, does it, you know, does it free your mind at night? Does it let you, does it release your inhibitions to allow you to feel the rain on your skin? What does lean do? As a known, a documented opiate lover, I don't know. I don't, it does. Yeah, but you can't, you can't, you can't have lean and opiates in the same exact. Well, they are, they're the same. They are though. They're the same thing. Like it's all the same. Like it's all like heavy, heavy downers. And that's why I don't. Yeah, but there's a difference. I know there's a difference, Jason, but I'm saying because you're sipping one out of a cup versus taking one in a pill form. No, I mean like the chemical compound structures in codeine are different than Oxycontin, are different than Xanax, are different than Vicodin. Oh, no, sure. But codeine and Oxycontin are pretty closely related. Like you basically graduate from codeine to Oxycontin when you become a man. So it's not – I'm just saying to you that those – Downers in general, I don't understand. It does make you care about nothing except yourself. Okay, now we're getting somewhere. I do think that might be beneficial to the artist because then maybe that is what album mode means. They lock in. They only care about themselves. Therefore, the album or songs being good directly benefits them. Therefore, they're rewarded for their selfishness. Which is potentially a problem for people who already only care about themselves to begin with.

the codeine on top of that or the oxycontin on top of that i'm not saying that you're the type of person that only cares about themselves but i also am saying that you're the type of person who only cares about themselves interesting take uh you become you become a monster who's 30 pounds overweight and doesn't want to do anything got it yeah yeah yeah but if you're if you're famous that doesn't matter you know what i mean it doesn't it does matter but like a rob kardashian you're like yes i i gained 30 pounds i don't care about shit except Wingstop and Call of Duty, but it don't matter. Rob gained 100 pounds and didn't even make any money on Twitch, but he is a – I don't understand it either. It's actually really baffling to me about how the output is so much better when on that particular drug. But when you do coke, it's like – your brain doesn't really work when you do coke. Like, I always felt like a mush brain doing coke. So I think that that doesn't lead to the most creativity either, even though, again, a lot of my favorite records have been made, you know, chained to the mirror and the razor blade, as they say. Yeah, you know, every, you know, Eddie Van Halen guitar solo was written high as fuck on cocaine, and that man was shredding intricate guitar solos. That's interesting. Like, Yes, that's like the worst music of all time, though. I'm talking about like good music, like the Rolling Stones or like Oasis. You're talking about good music, like G-O-O-D music? But also, okay. Tiana Taylor is what I'm talking about, yes. I'm talking about Cy High the Prince's solo album. I said Oasis is a prime example, then. These guys are making amazing, beautiful music. It's not as difficult to play that music, technically speaking, but for the songwriting, difficult. And those guys were on a lot of cocaine. Look, Jason, I agree. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't understand. But we're all wired differently ourselves. So the chemistry of our bodies makes me the chemistry of the drugs. And that's just what makes it cooler. That's why Oasis will always be cooler than somebody who doesn't need cocaine to do it. If you're able to do it, adding the cocaine just increases the danger and the difficulty level to where it's fun and exciting to watch.

good point and drake staring into the mirror in marvin's room in the marvin's room video with the double cup on the sink that shit hits that that that'll bring me to tears bro certified lover boy in store soon i don't know if it's going to hit the same how are you feeling about it so far this episode of how long gone is brought to you by a new podcast from the guardian stateside with kai and carter this is covering a lot of our bases jason it's a it's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world and i know you particularly have quite a lot of questions a lot of questions but how often because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot how many times do they do three times a week and i i have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do that's just a guess the guardian is not some billionaire owned They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, so do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world... writing, taking pictures. I do topless boxing. You need a website. Exactly. A website that works, that does what it's supposed to do, that allows you to be creative, but also business-minded. Jason, there's one place to go for that, Squarespace. Yeah, Chris, I'm over here. I'm modifying calculators and putting Claude inside of them so you could cheat at school. And I just want a place where I could have everything all in one place. I can have the SEO tools. So those future graduates can find me and, you know, I'm able to accept quote unquote donations for my services that might be gray area. You know what I mean? And then email campaigns. Hey, I got a new, you know, 2.3 version upgrade. Boom, boom, boom. Get the analytics going. Raise some money.

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He's put out, what, like eight albums now or something like that? Drake's been around for a little long time now. You can only really succeed as a rapper. For the first five years. Yeah, maybe something like the first five years because after a while you just get into the Nas category or something. God, there's nothing worse than new Nas. I see people capping for Nas online. I'm like, you dusty ass. You call me an old head. Nothing is more old head than capping for Nas. What is the Chris Black white people music version of Nas? It's a good question. Yeah, it is a tough question. I don't know somebody who's – Black Crows? No, no, no, no, no. Don't even try that. Why not? Well, because they were never as bit, like Nas is considered like a legend in the game. Yeah, okay, yeah. But Nas only has one record. Honestly, Nas has one song. Is it Train? Is it the band Train? Are they the Nas of Chris Black music? Train is not Chris Black music, fuck you. Third Eye Blind? No, maybe. Third Eye Blind had six singles on one album. So that, again, that's a different era. You're Chris Block for knowing that. I thank you. Well, I have to defend them a lot. So you've got to keep your tool belt full. You're like a QAnon member. You've got to reply for everything, and they all sound pretty good. Stephen Jenkins was eating babies, and that's why they had six singles on that record. But I don't know what the equivalent is. I agree with you about. rap music and the, the short timeline you have, which I think is, it's unfair, but it's also proven to be true. Like it, it just, it, I mean, obviously Drake is doing more than surviving. Drake is a multimillionaire who's every song he puts out is number one on the charts. He's doing more than surviving, but there was a point where Drake was critically acclaimed a top like pop superstar and also loved by like people like me, you and like pitchfork, which is an insane crossover. And I don't know, like,

I can't think of anybody else who's been able to achieve that kind of acclaim from every little corner of the world. It's true. There was a time when he first came out, or when he was peaking, where you knew that every time he put a new song out, it was going to be good. And that kind of went away maybe two years ago, where... you started being skeptical about you know it'd be like oh new drake is gonna you know he's he would announce like his apple music show or whatever like damn everyone has to tune in he's gonna drop the new song and then it was it was amazing every single time it would be like holy shit he just came out with this one and then there's a new dance and blah blah blah but then after a while it'd be like oh this one's kind of a stinker like this song the you know the a side was good b side was a little sleepy And now it's like 50-50. You're like, wow, I hope it actually ends up being a good one. I feel like that's what people think about this podcast as well. But you're right. I remember so distinctly being in a hotel room, staying up late to listen to the Beats 1 show to hear the record because they were going to play it front to back. I've done that multiple times. Right. And a lot of people did. And you would never do that now because it can wait until tomorrow. But that was an interesting thing that he was able to capture because that to me is the only online version of something like going to Tower Records at midnight on Tuesdays, which I did all the time. I mean, I did that all the time when I was younger and in high school in my early 20s to buy all kinds of different records. You know what I mean? So capturing that kind of energy in so many corners, like I said, is pretty unbelievable. And probably there's a handful of people that are able to do that in our lifetime, if that, you know. But Certified Loverboy in stores soon. The merch is looking good. And that is what we – I like the song. It grew on me a little bit. It is the fake trophies beat-wise. But I like how the – I don't know the proper term for this as I'm not a musician myself, which I know is confusing. But where – because when Dirk comes in with Dirk's verse, it's like he comes in like a line late.

Does that – like Drake says the first line like he normally would instead of Dirk – and then Dirk comes in, which I think is a very clever device. I don't know if there's like a name for that or a thing that people do, but it makes it like a little bit of a surprise, which I think is a smart move. Well, that is a move that has been taken as the world continues to rape and pillage from the EDM community. Oh, here we go. Well, the hip-hop song structure originally was kind of like loop-based instrumental sampling, blah, blah, blah. The beat would be amazing enough to just go through for three or four minutes the Lil Wayne song, whatever, on no ceilings, and you just ride that shit and it's fire. But now every song has sort of taken that structure of an EDM hit where there's an intro where there's no drums and it's like... ethereal piano sounds or whatever and then it drops and then it goes back again and then Drake sings and then and then and then you know so that's what makes dumbass people in the club or at music festivals turn up you have to tell them when this is when you go off and this is when you chill and it's like that peak and valley thing that you ride forever and and all a lot of hip-hop songs have taken that same structure Damn, you're right, TJ. That people like Calvin Harris or the Swedish House Mafia invented whatever 10 years ago. Because, yeah, it ain't like when Lil Wayne would give you the Polo of the Dawn beat that's like six minutes of the same thing and it's just absolutely flames so you don't care. A Bangladesh beat from a Lil Wayne mixtape is about as good as it's going to get for me. Yeah. And the same way, you know, like an amazing classic 90s house song would be like 8 minutes and 45 seconds and it's just the same shit. But it's good enough that you don't get old. It doesn't get old. You don't get sick of it. And it will have some slight variation, but whatever. But I think Drake, I think that...

I think with the song Over, which was pretty old, that beat is so insane to me. But that was when they were first doing that shit where the beat would change halfway through the song. It was some OVO 40 come out. It sounds like you're swimming backwards underwater, and then all of a sudden the beat's different now. But it really works. It does work. It still works. It still works for him. So Dirk coming in after the first bar of that one. is is a similar move that that edm trap blah blah blah music will do where it's like oh and here it goes and then you're you're about to go off but then it it waits one second and then it finally kicks in and then everyone's like oh shit i'm surprised and then you know you get a positive reaction i love surprises you're a guy who loves being surprised sure But yeah, the merch is good. He does have a Nike white hat that has a kissy lipstick mark on the top of the brim as if you were a gang member who gets the kissy lip on the side of the neck tattoo, which is always one of my favorite tats. A great tat. I don't think I can rock that, but I can rock the, and I will be rocking. I've put in my request already for the Certified Loverboy in-store soon hooded sweatshirt. Yeah. With the lockup. And I need to replace my know-yourself hooded sweatshirt from the first OVO Fest. Yeah, because you really have worn that one ragged. It is threadbare. I mean, that is the original blue polo shirt. I've already donated it to the AGO, the Modern Art Museum in Toronto. They requested it. So I had to donate. It was the right thing to do. It was a gift from me to the museum as a picture of the arts. So now I need a new sweatshirt because I only wear one Drake piece at a time. And I also like the certified Loverboy in-store soon socks. I can't wait to see you wearing this garment as we're exiting Erewhon and then a 12-year-old child.

with full Supreme fit yarmulke on and the head-to-toe Drake merch, has the same outfit as you, and then you guys dap each other up for a person that has yet to hit puberty or something and then getting into Mommy's G-Wagon. That's a scene that I would look forward to. Well, Jason, good, because that will happen, because I think that's the power of Drake and Nike combined. The power of Drake. It can cross borders and barriers and bring people together. Me getting an invite to a bar mitzvah is a pretty cool thing to do just for wearing a sweatshirt that you actually like. Hey, Chris, come on. Get in. We're going to my bar mitzvah. Honestly, you never know. I'm ready to branch out. I think that Drake could be my foray into that. Speaking of yarmulkes, our How Long Gone hats, if you bought the first run of them, they did ship out this weekend, I guess last weekend. You'll be hearing this on Monday. You should be receiving your headpiece from How Long Gone Industries very soon. Also, if you did not... Get a hat because it's sold out. Keep your eyes peeled to our social media on Twitter or whatever. We will be releasing a new head top with a new colorway for you. Just in the next, this week, just get your mom's credit card ready. Have your Shopify approved. You know what I mean? Yeah, and also turn on your done-to-death Twitter notifications. Don't do that. Why? You don't want people? You don't want people to get notifications? I think if you subscribe to Dent to Death Notifications, that could really cause you some problems. It'll definitely affect your battery life if you get a ping on your phone every time Chris tweets because, I mean, what is it? Your screen time fitting to go up. That's for sure. Yeah, yeah. Your phone is always going to be very warm. You'll have to, you know, it'll have the little emergency thing pop up because. I hate that.

It's been happening to me a lot at the pool. It's really annoying. Your phone is overheating? Yeah, because I leave it in the sun. I forget to cover it with a towel. And they say global warming isn't real. Exactly. Actually, speaking of Twitter, I woke up today. Oh, yeah. Is this about Chris Black's doppelganger? Yeah, so I woke up today and I had like... I'm not exaggerating, like 100 new followers on Instagram and probably 25 on Twitter. Which is more than you would normally get from whenever you buy the bots. Exactly, yeah. They try to kind of pepper it in slow. So this was like an influence. And then I started looking and they were all from the same place. They were all from Copenhagen. They were all... from copenhagen they were they were they're finnish danish from from amsterdam any of those fjord places and so i'm like i don't get it and then there was a tweet that i was tagged in and i i translated it and i i couldn't really understand so i just asked one of the people that followed me i'm like hey what the fuck is going on like did something, did I do something to offend an entire country of people? It's not the first time that would happen. You know, usually that country is like, you know, people who like Frank Ocean. It's still not nice for you in Haiti after what you said. Yeah, exactly. So, and he's like, oh no, this like guy here got called out for like ripping you off. And I was like, but you know, I'm like, what does that even mean? Ripping me off how? Well, his Instagram, he literally has repurposed the classic done-to-death pyramid logo and then added sunglasses to it to make it absolutely insufferable. And then he – first of all, that drawing is by a friend of mine named Wes Duvall. It's honestly from 2007. It's been around that long. So – and then he has the creepiest part.

He's got the glasses, bro. Are they the same frames as yours or just very similar? I can't tell from the photographs, but they're strikingly, scarily similar. It shook me to my core. This is a man who lives in Amsterdam. He lives in Copenhagen. Sorry, Copenhagen. Respect our cope heads. Yes, cope goners. What do you want? So you find out that this guy has stolen your whole swag, your visual appearance for your logo, your branding, as well as your eyewear choices. And then also the photos on his grid are a little Chris Blackie as well. They're extremely similar to the point where he might have gone to the same place as I've been before and taken the same photo. okay so like he might have just taken it from my profile but like but i guess he's like a little bit of a guy in copenhagen and like he's got a little bit of an attitude problem and people are like bitch you're just to want to be new yorker let me call you out and show show where your swag so his so his so this is a little weird because you know i've i've had fake them jeans instagrams but it'll be it'll just be like my photos that they took and then they'll rewrite in the same um comment that i wrote or caption yeah but it's different because you're a celebrity dj you know no but but i mean it'll have seven followers and it'll get shut down this is no this is this guy's real account this is this is someone's real account and he has like a few thousand followers right yeah yeah he's got like seven or eight thousand followers it's not it's not it's not like a total it's definitely not like a burner or some weird so he has been doing this for a while did you did you scroll back far enough to see when when he initially did take your whole swag no i didn't but this tweet where the journalist calls him out on it has 215 likes and 21 comments so like these people seem to care but you know what i don't care like i don't like i i mean it's funny for sure but what do you think the chances of him agreeing to come on this podcast are um

probably low he made all of his accounts private and is probably cowering in fear damn did you reach out to him no i don't i don't care about this steal it all you want bro i don't give a fuck i didn't invent any of this shit like i know but just out of fascination i would want to contact him Unless this person is planning on killing you and wearing your skin. That's what I was going to say. I'm confused. I don't want to get single white mailed. The glasses, though, is the fucking... That's where I draw the fucking line. It wasn't the tasteful photo of a vase on a table side? No. Anybody can be a basic white bitch like me and put a white border on a photo on Instagram. That's fine. White border hive. When you start coming for the eyewear, it's on site. You know what I'm saying? I'll show up. As soon as they let us into your country, then we got a problem. You know what I mean? It's on site for the eyewear. He draws a line at a crisp pair of crap eyewear frames. You said don't come for the craps. I would never wear crap. Look, Chris, you can wear the craps. It's fine. I don't really care. The fact that we both get crap eyewear ads on Instagram, obviously, is depressing in itself. But I actually went to Cutler & Gross on Melrose yesterday, actually, to get my glasses adjusted because I haven't had my glasses adjusted in six months, which is insane. To adjust for all the gains that you've been having. Well, it's more that I wear glasses every day and my giant head stretches them out and they need to be brought back to proper formation, Beyonce voice. And this style still exists, but this color is no longer being made. So I had to ask the wonderful employees at Cutler & Gross to find any pairs that they had so I can cop them before they go away forever. So dead stock daddy now is what's going on. You're in dead stock album mode. Exactly. I'm dead stock album mode. One to rock, hopefully three to four to stock. Yes, I experienced that sometimes. That could be a thing that comes as you get older or as you like, it's a little bit of age mixed with once you figure out what your uniform is. Totally. Where you're like, I found my favorite pair of Nikes or New Balances or jeans or whatever it is. And it's like an album. It's an album or a model number or it's something that came out this year.

It will be gone next year. It will be replaced by the new version. And I'm in that mode now of like, I'm just going to buy like five pairs of these shoes on eBay, wherever I can find them because they're discontinued because they're my favorite. And that's just, these are just going to be the shoes that I have every year until I die. That's exactly what I'm trying to do. But Cutler & Gross is, you know, hopefully there's apparently a pair in New York. So hopefully I'm able to buy them. But yeah, so this guy stole my swag and all these fucking people. What is his Instagram? Because I think all of our listeners are going to want to, oh, it's private now, huh? Yeah, it's not, I mean. You don't want to give him a shine? I don't, I can't. I'm trying to find the – I don't even – yeah, no, I don't even know. Yeah, it's all private. It's all – but somebody put – some fucking – some Danish person put up that – you know that picture of Cristiano Ronaldo and that crazy statue they made of him where he looks like shit? It said, I'm Cristiano Ronaldo, and this guy's name is – His name is Oliver – N. Oliver – E-N-N-E. but i don't mean i mean i just don't it's fine dude i mean you know like i i can't the kind of people that get mad about that and think everything is stolen from them and that they're like so original is one of the most insufferable things people do on the internet and i never want to be a part of that culture like you didn't invent it whatever you did you probably didn't invent it absolutely absolutely but i mean it is a little weird and it's not scary because it no i mean Yeah, it's weird. It's funny to me, but I'm not going to be like, hey, bro, my lawyer is getting it. It's like people are so insane. Who cares? Nothing I'm doing is original. I'm sorry. David Mamet has these glasses. It's fine. Let it cook. Well, if somebody out there knows this Chris Black doppelganger, have him send me a DM. I would love to speak with him. Get into the mind of this serial killer and really see what makes him tick.

I will. I'll fly him out to LA. I have a guest room. And I just want to sit him down. I'm not going to rough him up. But I will do some things to him. That'd be cool if you were my muscle. That'd be pretty funny. Hired guns. Jesus. But yeah, anyway, it was a pretty funny thing to wake up to because I really did think. I was like, what the fuck is going on? Because that's never happened before where. There's been an influx and no, I can't find where. And then it's also all foreign. Like my garage. What do you know about our friend Bella Thorne and OnlyFans, Chris? Damn, Bella just ran the checkup. I mean, apparently she actually fucked over sex workers. I don't fully understand. Her gaming of the system caused them to change their rules, correct? Yes. She said that you would subscribe to it, to her OnlyFans page for $10 a month, and then you get to see pictures of her, I guess, that are similar to ones that she's already sharing on Instagram and Twitter of just her... It's extremely PG-13 from the reviews I'm seeing. But then she said for $200... If you send me a $200 tip, I'll show you the real deal. You know, the real deal. Caroline Calloway shit. And then. So you sent her $200. What did you get? And then she made, yeah, like whatever. She made $200 or she made $2 million off of people. $2 million. $2 million off of people sending her these $200 to see the real shit. And then it was not the real shit. And then they were, everyone requested a refund. which then shut the whole OnlyFans server down. And then they lost millions and millions of dollars, blah, blah, blah, and everyone's pissed. And then they had to change all the rules and regulations of how much you can make in a tip and how much refunding happens and then how often the creators get paid. It used to be you can cash out or you get paid out once a week and now it's once a month.

because they need all the extra time to process these fugazi payments. That's extremely unfortunate, but I also think that, I mean, Bella Thorne is absolutely empty between the ears, but I'm sure she did not think that that's what was going to happen. Like, I don't think she set up the intention, like, let me disrupt OnlyFans, but I don't understand. If I know Bella, I know she'll make it right, Chris. I would hope so. I mean, I don't know Bella. I don't even really understand what she's famous for. I believe it's a Disney program is actually how she got her start. But she is – She's like if Miley Cyrus couldn't sing. She's very, very unappealing to me in almost every way. Yeah, I mean, I guess – I mean, I don't even know what to think about it. It's a little weird. sex work is really huge now i think i read that there was there's like a half a million different different people who depend on only fans as their source of income now yeah it's incredible i mean it's 450 something thousand people only fans only fans that's their job OnlyFans is Substack. It's the same idea. It's YouTube. It's the same idea. It's harnessing your network and giving them the content they want for money. It's no different. And it should be treated the same way, I think. I think it's amazing that you're allowed to just take that power into your own hands, create your own content, and make money off of it directly in a safe way that you're in control of versus a production company. some weirdo guy or person that starts a pornography business that abuses their talent, et cetera, et cetera. Or which is the same as like, you know, getting to work for a magazine that makes millions of dollars every year and they pay you $300 every time you write a story, whether or not it goes viral. It's the same vibe. You can just say, well, I can make $300 off my sub stack.

No, it's totally the same vibe. But I do think it's – I think that OnlyFans is going to have a – I imagine their popularity is something they were not totally prepared for because it's gone – I would say it's gone like almost mainstream in a way as far as like it's becoming the Kleenex of sex work, like the term that you use for that kind of – you know what I mean? It's like, oh, yeah, it's OnlyFans and you just know what that means, which is really powerful as a brand, of course. But I think with great power comes great responsibility. And you can't just willy-nilly change rules because some obnoxious fake actress posted bikini pics and scammed the system. Yeah, but I like that they figured out that people are willing to actually pay for pornography or adult content. All they needed to do was know that the person who was doing that content would be the one who got paid. versus a production company or some sleazy guy or whatever. That's the only thing that needed to change for people to actually spend money on pornography, which is something that obviously with the advent of the internet was almost removed completely. It's true. So that's a beautiful thing. It is a beautiful thing. And I think when we look back and... a few years once once we're in a better place as a society i do think the the it won't get better they probably won't uh the creation of these like micro economies is going to be uh one of the main yeah cool cool things or at least interesting things the one the only thing that i'm worried about i mean because you you you do in a you know in a way make yourself cancel free or you know you can't fire me because i'm my own boss blah blah blah i can do whatever i want um is you can't kill me because i'm already dead hell yeah but the thing that the next move will be de-platforming true and then i think that's kind of the scary part but then people will hopefully be like

Do you mean like you're going to write in to your local senator at OnlyFans and tell them to pull Chris Black off the platform? Yeah, exactly. It's fine. It's all good. I can say whatever I want. And because I have my Patreon or I have my YouTube channel, and then they can be like, all right, well, we're going to cancel your YouTube channel. So now you can't make money anymore. So you're saying failing Fitz will finally get thrown off of Patreon? I think it's only a matter of days, yeah. Because someone's going to cross the line. Also, I think I'm going to be on Failing Fits this week. Did you already record? No, I have not recorded. I'm recording this week, I should say. Very interesting. Do you have any tips? Don't do it. No, no, no. I'm just kidding. I wonder if thing one and thing two will be able to handle you, to be honest. I think that you're a man of incredibly quick wit. uh razor sharp i would say and you also you're you're a little disarming in your approach you know i think they're used to some thirst buckets and people who want to play cat and mouse with them whereas tj is known for sitting in the cut thirst and just and just spraying when he feels compelled he don't he don't care when you feel it he cares when he feels it and that is that's an interesting approach for them but they'll no you're you'll be fine you're you're you're a titan compared to them I mean, no, I'm not worried. It's more of like anything I should know since you have been a guest on there before. Any advice that you would have from a personal standpoint? Yeah, promote how long gone as much as possible. Done. That's the only thing. If they can digitally beg publicly, we should be able to get some listens behind the scenes from them. Well, what I love to do is cross-pollinate, and you know that about me, Chris. God, I love cross-pollination, Jason. I agree, too. I try to talk about this podcast as much as I can to the point where my friends and family hate it. Hell, yeah. That's why we're getting this fucking... Solar Ray money? Vitamin D? I have been thinking about eating some more vitamin D, though. Despite me being very tan, which you called out earlier this week. You do. You look great.

I mean, again, your chest could use some work, but you look tan. But there is such a thing as too tan. I agree, and you're looking like a California raisin. So I am too tan. I mean, I think we could get you some F. Miller face oil maybe. Okay. I would love that. That would be a great birthday gift. Do you moisturize? Are you moisturizing currently? I do moisturize. I do use face oil on occasion as well, as well as a night cream scenario. Sometimes I'll do a mask. If we got you body oil, it would be cool, but it would run out so fast. You have so much body, bro. Do you wear body oil? Nah, nah, nah. Fellas. Nah, nah. Bro, body oil is gay, bro. Fellas, is it gay to moisturize? I mean, body oil, I mean. Face oil, yeah, sure, whatever. Body oil, come on, dog. Body oil is a step too far for me. I don't, I mean, I could probably. I'm already slippery. Damn, you are, yeah, you are, you little slime bag. I'm like a catfish coming out of the swamp. Try and hold on to me. Jesus Christ. But you, yeah, I mean, I think that. The California sun is hot, bro. It's beating down on us, and it does take a toll on the skin. Since I shaved my head, I've had to switch to a calming Aesop shampoo, actually, to make sure that my scalp is being... Well, that's the first problem. Don't shampoo, dog. Don't be washing. Don't be doing none of that. When the whole leg wash thing was going on on Twitter, remember that? I do. You were like, I can't even reach my legs. Who cares? But I mean, the science behind the theory that washing anything except for your penis, vagina, butthole, or armpits and face is unnecessary. It makes sense to me. Unless there's actual dirt and filth on there, I don't need to be scrubbing with soap on my lower back or the front of my thigh or my forearm or something like that.

Well, it's, again, I'm— I think it's doing more harm than good. I drench my body in sweat every day, and I love to smell good. So that is—I'm not doing it for cleanliness. I'm doing it purely so that if I catch a whiff of anything, I want it to smell like my soap of choice, whatever that may be at this time. Right, right. Okay, so then just soap up the parts of your body that you can smell. You can't smell the back of your— your lower back very well. So we don't need to cover that. I wouldn't want to waste. Yeah. I wouldn't want to waste the, the Marino bar soap on that. I agree with you. Actually, you know, I was sent, um, an incredible new incense and I've really been smoking out the Villa Carlotta and it's, it's getting me into a nice pre fall kind of mindset. Okay. Let's, let's go pop off. It's called St. Rita Parlor, and it's cones, actually. Have you ever used incense cones versus the stick? I have, but only on occasion. And usually Chris doesn't like cones, though, when it pertains to big gas. When you roll weed in a cone, you're a pussy. When you smoke cones but they're incense, you're smart. Let me just put that on record. But it's a whiskey, water, tobacco, and rose combo, and I'm really feeling it. It's really nice. Whiskey, water, tobacco, and rose. Yes, yes, yes. Damn, bro, sounds like a Monday night to me. That's true. It's a Monday night at Bronson Bar in 2010. But I – It's rare that I, at this point in my life, it's rare that I smell something new that I'm really like, damn, I love this, but I really like this stuff. It's really been, I've been hitting the cone hard. Yeah, for a scent head, you would have thought that there'd be nothing new under the sun for that sniffer of yours, but it is cool to see something surface that really tickles your fancy. Exactly, exactly. And it's just, yes, it makes, you know, being in a nice smelling environment is a...

pillar of the Dun to Death Project's Chris Black universe. It is an absolute necessity. It's an absolute necessity. When you travel, let's say you get an Airbnb or you get a hotel, do you come loaded up with scents on you? Yeah, I travel with a candle. Oh yeah, I brought a candle here. So you travel with a candle. I travel with a candle. I travel with incense in some cases, depending on where I'm going. But what about... Sometimes with hotels, it's tough with incense because they have too many... fucking like smoke alarms um but but luckily i'm good here i got the windows open i would be curious to see what our listeners thought is traveling with a candle considered too far or or not well i mean look jason some people i think i find that that nice scents are a very easy pleasure to, to indulge in and a very easy and affordable thing that, that brightens my mood and makes me feel better. So therefore I subscribe to that ethos throwing a $65, you know, candle in the, in the, in the rim of was no, nothing for me. I love that. Important. Okay. I love it. I love it. Um, that means maybe, maybe, and what is the name of the incense company again? It's called St. Rita Parlor. We need to work on that name. But I will cop that as soon as my incense runs out. It's great. Honestly, I highly recommend it. And it works nice because a friend of the show, Chris Chang, blessed me with an early edition Heath Ceramics ashtray that apparently they don't make ashtrays anymore. Damn. Yeah. That's something that I need to replace my Supreme ashtray. Yes, you do, Jason. Why did you admit that? Blur that out, please. Speaking of brand shout-outs, I wanted to shout-out to Tom Bargan, a coffee. I think they're up in Canada. They sent over some beans. Are you going off the fucking bean right now? Not right now, but I made a couple cups this morning, and I really have been enjoying it. So, yeah, T-H-O-M-B-A-R-G-E-N. What are the top notes, pussy?

I mean, right out of the gate, molasses just smacks you. And then, of course, a little bit of cedar, a little bit of Tuscan leather. And then, of course, the kumquat kind of comes marching in in the third act to round you out. And then I'm getting burnt like oats. Is that weird to say? But it goes down. Everything you've just said is weird to say, so why not continue? Yeah, baby. I mean, I made a burnt shallot oil a couple days ago. Bro, what? Yeah, man. I've really been doing it lately. The flavors of char can be your friend. I love when Jason locks into his little foodie bag. You know what I'm saying? What's up with that restaurant with the Michelin star sending a fucking sad paper box of vegetables with the dipping sauce? Yeah, some people on Twitter were asking me to chime in about it. But there was somebody on Twitter, a person posted a before and after pic of what they ordered from a restaurant. Where it's like, here's the picture from Postmates or Caviar or whatever the app was. And it's like this beautiful arrangement of vegetable charcuterie with a dipping sauce. Pepita seeds and flowering broccolini stems. The pepita seeds really did put it over the edge. You ain't going to do that for tech. It was a very nice looking plate of paper box. Oh, no, the plate. I'm sorry. Yes, the plate. It was nice. And then she showed the side-by-side photo of what actually came when she ordered the food, which was something that resembled a school lunch cafeteria box full of apple slices and a couple radishes. And it was $16. And she wasn't even really saying this is bullshit. She was saying like, you know, I understand, you know, it's not the same during COVID, blah, blah, blah. And then everyone, you know, I mean, has like 200,000 hits on Twitter and a huge engagement. But I feel bad because I know the chef of the restaurant and like I've eaten there and he's a really nice guy and he's a really good chef. So I have nothing. It's not his fault.

I mean, I guess, I mean, but also it is, I mean, it's, it's both people's fault. To be honest, bro, if you're ordering a box of vegetables for takeout, you're kind of an idiot. Well, I mean, there's a little bit of, there's a little bit of both sides to me. I think that. No, no, I agree. There's definitely a little bit of both sides, but like, would you ever order something like that for takeout? I would not. That doesn't look appealing as a takeout item. But you also have to put yourself into the mindset of somebody ordering takeout where you're like, I really want food. I don't feel like going out. I don't want to go to the grocery store. I also don't want to just eat like French fries and a veggie burger. This, you know, like I would like to eat some fresh vegetables with like a healthy dipping sauce. And I don't care if it costs $16. I just want that on my couch. Jason, you do realize that I'm exactly the kind of guy that would do that. And I would never do that. Yeah, so it's the consumer's fault for not educating themselves and doing better to know. But, I mean, you have to think, like, five steps ahead of, like, what is a good takeout food? Every food item. is on a spectrum whereas like french fries are the worst thing you could the worst i would say i would say pizza is probably number one because that's how it's designed all all the foods that have been delivery takeout foods for the last 50 years any sort of noodles yeah chinese food pizza all that stuff yeah that's all food that will travel well and you should be ordering that when you're doing takeout and there are other foods like french fries and you know maybe even a burger but like you know tons of stuff where it will it will instantly die you know in in the half an hour or 45 minutes it takes to get to your house the bread will be soggy everything will be cold you can't reheat it it's fucked so that person should not have ordered that they should have just gone to ralph's and chopped up some carrots and that's why i only only go to them jeans restaurant for my meals during

During COVID. Yes, but it's also the responsibility of the chef and the restaurant to take shit off of your menu that is just not a good idea for takeout. Because every one of these very nice Michelin star restaurants have to pivot to to-go food. You can't just be like, oh, well, here, we're going to take our 20 menu items and then put them in a box and you're done. You need to rejigger the menu for takeout specific. You have to do a full rejigger, a full recalibration of everything. Not every dish will make it. A lot of stuff has to be taken off. A lot of stuff has to be edited or modified. And then you need to come out with a clear and concise thing because now that restaurant, hundreds of thousands of people online know that this place is a joke. She also didn't say it by name, which I thought was tasteful. That was amazing that she didn't say that. It ain't hard. Yeah, you just did a reverse image search. And then other people were like, that's definitely from Major Domo, David Chang's restaurant. And other people were like, no, it's not. People are bored, but... Creating some intrigue online. Who doesn't love it? I do love it. I wanted to know what you think the connection between Donald Trump flags and boats are. Like, why do you think so many... People are using their boats to display their allegiance to Donald Trump. Because that boat owners in a lot of places in this country are extremely conservative. That's all. I mean, I just think that if you go to a lake in Georgia, every nine out of ten people there are going to be a Trumpito supporter. True. But why do they use the – I mean, they have cars. They have homes. They have their clothing that they wear. They have all these opportunities to display their love and allegiance to Donald Trump. Why specifically the boat? Do they feel –

Like they're safe out there in the water. Like people can't yell shit to them because they're protected by the distance of the sea. I just think it's a forest by a situation and like it's an easy place to fly a flag, you know, because you're barreling through the lake and it's waving in the wind. I think it could be aesthetic even, you know what I mean? But I don't know. But I think it's just like, I mean. Jason, things are inexplicable. The stupidity of the American people is something I cannot personally pinpoint and explain. This is why we pod, though. I love to explic the inexplicable. I agree. This one I'm not going to be able to help with. Although I did, in my younger days, go to the lake often. Very familiar with lake and vote culture. We didn't doubt that. I mean, the lake is like a broke boy beach, like the same way that Trump is a broke boy politician. It's like, why would I ever go to a brown lake with a pontoon boat when I could go to a beautiful ocean and I can get in it and swim? I don't even need a mode of transportation to enjoy it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it would never be the chic. sailing yacht off the coast of greece or the south of france that would have that it's always going to be you know a lake a lake is truly i mean a lot of the time it's even man-made you know so it's like a pontoon boat now i do i do love but it also doesn't it doesn't necessarily correlate to um to income though because down in orange county in newport beach all those houses you know people have these million dollar yachts and they have the trump flags on there as well Maybe it's like they associate boat ownership with supreme white success and no better place to display. That's not a bad theory. I mean, white people do love fucking boats. That's for sure. Again, I'm more of a jet ski guy. It's a little more high energy, a little more action. How bad do you want to jet ski around the pond at the Nike campus?

I mean, honestly, pretty bad. Pretty bad. I mean, I haven't been on a jet ski in quite a long time. I've never jet skied. It's really fun. I've rarely done it in the ocean, which I think. I saw a friend who was testing an electric Tesla jet ski. Really? Not actually Tesla, but fully electric. Scary. You know, Jason, every industry is ripe for disruption. That's something we need to think about. Bro, I think about disrupting a lot. I know you do. I know you do. And you're disrupting your own little ways over there in Glendale. I wanted to also ask you, this is a fitness clothing related question. I'm a big fan of Nike dry fit technology as it pertains to socks and shorts and things like that. But the shirt, the Nike dry fit, like short sleeve shirt or whatever. Single check, often in black or white or whatever. This is a shirt that is specifically made for exercise and activity, but its ability to not smell bad and also feel gross, it's worse than just any regular cotton t-shirt. Yeah, it's a problem. It's a problem. So do you have the same problem? Well, mine don't smell, but they change to a different – like the hand feel of the dry fit material changes after you wash it and dry it a lot. That's why I suggest hitting a tennis website like tenniswarehouse.com or midwesttennis.com or one of those other kind of third-party tennis sites. They have the classic dry fit shirts almost all the time in stock in every color for $35 and just buy. I buy three or four at a time. I rotate them through and then throw them away and get new ones because it's just – there's no – But I also just – they don't feel comfortable. They feel kind of weird. Like it doesn't wick the sweat away. It just kind of smears it around. I agree, but I don't – there's not a better option because something like cotton is – like a regular gilded shirt gets too heavy when you really sweat, and it also will make your nipples bleed.

I guess it depends on what activity you're doing because I do be sweating. For you walking the dog around the neighborhood, you will break a sweat, but it's not going to weigh you down. If we're playing tennis or if I'm cycling or doing any other number of activities, it's not putting any nipple distress on me at all. So you've never gotten bloody nipples pushing a cart through Whole Foods and Burbank? I have not. Good to know. There's been a couple times where I got nipple irritation from running, and it will ruin your day. It'll ruin your activity. You can't concentrate on anything you're doing because every step you take, make them titties hurt. Make them titty throb. I feel for you and the rest of the running community. Yeah, well, us real athletes will deal with our blade nipples. You guys can worry about dry fit materials. Different people have different problems. Speaking of running, do you think Hoka is officially done and dead? Is it gone? I mean, I think Hoka makes a really good product. That's not the question. Well, I think runners will wear it forever, but cool guys always move on to something else. That's just what happens. you know the the footwear cycle of that like kind of wild card out outside the norm brand coming i hoka was a pretty big one as far as that that world goes like i can't think of another outside third like not nike or adidas athletic shoe brand that made that kind of impact other i mean solomon got a little close but but solomon is is is No, Solomon did. You're right. But they were only kind of co-opted by like the super cool. And whereas Hoka's are just, you know, like everyone was wearing Hoka's like. Well, the other brand that's trying to do is that ugly on brand. The one that Roger Federer started. Oh, yeah. Or is Roger Federer's a part of. And they're just deeply uncool in a way that like Hoka is always that kind of extreme look will always attract, you know, people who are looking to be different. Whereas on just looks like.

I work in fucking Silicon Beach and I definitely have a Tesla or maybe I've got the little BMW. Even worse. Exactly. But it makes me wonder, does Hoka wish that this all never happened and they just always stuck as a for us, by us running shoe company? No, because the runners aren't going to leave them. We don't know that. No, you do know that because it's a technical purpose. If you find something that works for you, you're going to continue to buy it. Like you're going to be loyal to the brand that makes you – it works for what the purpose is, whereas fashion is completely trend-based for the most part. And if it's not cool anymore, you have to move on. But I don't think that – I think Hoka – It's functional enough to where – Yeah. I mean Hoka making millions and millions and millions of dollars they hadn't projected for a few years. And the running community would not abandon them because the product stayed consistent. Like, why would anybody leave that? You know, it doesn't make sense. Fair. I mean, I guess I'm thinking more big picture, but hey, not everyone else can. Well, I'm more of a granular, on-the-ground, blue-collar kind of guy. So that's different. That's the difference of our approach and thinking. You're a biz dev kind of cat. I'm more of a strategy guy. It's all good. Exactly. Tonight, Jason, guess what? We have the VMA Awards coming live from New York City tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific. Are you going to watch? Oh, of course I'm fitting to watch. You already know. Actually, I'm going to meet a friend of the show, Amardeep, who's in town, for a quick coffee on Larchmont. And then I'm heading straight back here to plop down in front of my giant television to watch performances from people like I'm not even sure who. Miley Cyrus and Miley Cyrus. The new Miley Cyrus actually sucks so bad. I'm disappointed. It's no Malibu. Nothing ever will be. Fake disco is one of my least favorite genres. Yeah, with disco music, you really can't tell when it's fake versus that real gushy good shit, you know? Yes, even I, a layman. Even you. But we also, Jason, we should probably, you know, we did a podcast together for the first time. What do you mean? Oh, we should?

we were guests on a podcast oh oh oh yes yes yes yes yeah we i don't know when that's going to come out though but pia um or even if it will come out based on the things that i said but pia who she did our show was like a month ago or so maybe less yeah She has a podcast herself and we appeared on that. So I don't know when that will come out in the next week or two or something like that. But we'll post it online. It's actually really funny. It was very fun to do. Jason and I have just really been in our content bag. You know what I'm saying? Just creating for you guys at every turn. And you know what we're not doing? We're not asking you to donate money for it. We're just asking you to tune in and enjoy it. And if you can't do that, then you can fuck off. You can fuck right off, mate. Fuck right off, mate. At some point, we will be asking you for money, though, and that's all good. Support. Stay tuned, because at some point, we will have to do that, because we can't do this for free forever. Okay, I have to buzz over to Larchmont and get myself a little ice cream tea. Jason, I love your work. I love podcasting with you. Thank you for putting up with me. I love doing a one-on-one pod. It really gives us time to clear the air and tackle these important issues that are on everyone's mind, including our listeners. You know what I'm saying? Everyone was like, damn, are they going to talk about how the dry fit shirts smell? Are they going to talk about flags on boats? And then, bam, we fucking delivered. We fucking deliver. That's what we do here. We deliver over and over. We're fucking dominoes, bitch. Follow me on social media at them jeans. uh follow me on social media at done to death projects on instagram at done to death on twitter chris black in the google search bar keep it locked in uh keep it locked in on our on our twitter if you want the new hat uh it's coming out this week at some point i don't know when and then if you do know that guy from finland who was he's from denmark fucking whatever

The European Chris Black. If you are him or you know him, my DMs are open. Let's get in touch. Great. Thanks. Bye, guys. Bye.