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All right, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it three times a week, Jason. Does that sound familiar to you? We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place. All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcast. or watch on YouTube. How long gone? It is actually a Wednesday because of our... travel schedule we had to record today and you know what jason i'm happy to do it uh it doesn't bother me at all it was on the calendar our guest was able to rearrange and accommodate us so we're in a lucky position to be able to do this what a great uh attitude that you have right now chris i gotta say well i just did something that other new yorkers can probably relate to where i i perfectly timed something using the new york city subway system which has a mind of its own, as you know. So I went to meet Derek Blasberg for lunch at basically Upper East Side, Kapo Masa. Blasi Baby? Yeah, Kapo Masa. Kapo Masa is the name of the restaurant. Yeah, it's like the Gagosian sushi restaurant. It was delicious, I have to say. It was amazing. We had a very nice piece of melon for dessert, which made me think of you. Do you know what kind of melon? uh it was a we'll move on after it was green light green obviously it wasn't a kermit you know shade in the honeydew family it was in the honeydew family you and blasey baby rounded out a great omakase lunch was the melon cut or was it just oh no it was cut we both got our own

you know, sliver and each piece was pre-sliced. Got it. Got it. Okay. You know what I mean? So you could pull it out yourself. I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay. But the point is of this story, it was a delicious lunch and I had a great time. But the point of the story is I timed it perfectly and got off the sixth train on Spring Street, was able to stop for a coffee and got home with 10 minutes to spare, fill up my water, wash my hands. And now I'm here to podcast with you. He's done it again, folks. He's done it again. Well, that's the thing. I haven't done it again. I've done it. So that's why he's done it for once. Yeah, exactly. Okay, so typically you are not in the habit of making NYC your bitch. It's sort of the other way around. And for once. You made NYC your bitch? Yeah, I am New York City's bitch for life, but I did, yeah. For once, something worked properly. Even though it's 100 degrees outside, it was still, I'm not even sweating. It was that seamless. Wow. Okay, congrats. I know. Thank you. It's all down here from there, brother. Are you still in Palm Springs? Because sweat is going to be an issue. I am still in Palm Springs. I was lucky enough to... Get a late checkout so I could podcast. Nice, we could do this. Yeah, I'm sure you weren't ready to leave yet, so I'm glad that you could stay for a couple more hours. Just one more hour. Just another hour. But, I mean, it's been nice. It's been nice. At first, it was a little, I mean, you go through all the stages of, you know, poolside, desolate vacation. You know what I mean? Where it's like, what do you do here? Zero. And then, you know, you kind of go through all the stages of... Sure. You cycle through every emotion. I mean, you know, you have to sort of... At first, you're like, the world's your oyster. What are you going to do? And then after a while, you're like, oh, this is it. And then once you sort of get into the flow of pool... Read book till it gets too hot. Go in the water. Come back. Read book. Yeah, sure. Get a handful of cherries. Read book. Go to pool. I hope those cherries were in a nice bowl of ice. I don't mean to put you on the spot. They were in a plastic cup. Iceless. But they were refrigerated rainier cherries. Iceless sounds like your bitch's neck. She has a selection of pieces. How dare you?

I didn't buy them, but she has some. She has diamonds on her neck. Oh, my shorty, iceless, currently. Oh, gosh. Going through a rough patch. But, you know, I guess the cool part about it, since it is 109 every day, you get the AC always on situation. Yeah, that is nice. There's pros, there's cons to it. But there's also going to the shower. All you have to do, you never have to fumble with getting the right water temperature, the right, you know, I got to learn each, you know, if you're the Four Seasons or the Belmond or the Motel 6, it takes a little while to figure out the combo of hot and cold. And there's a spike here. But when it's 109, you just turn the cold on full blast. The water is still pretty hot when it's on cold, just in terms of the local basin from the Coachella Valley. is already steaming so every there's you have a set you don't have to make any decisions it's like what are we going to do just survive you know that's yeah if all you have to do is survive it's kind of nice the brain is able to shut off completely but i'm getting lucky with with restaurant picks because it's you know it really is a crap shoot and i hate almost everything out here but you know there's little bits and and pieces yeah for sure we found the shintaro of coachella oh that's nice last night uh Chris, let me combine our interests. Coachella and Shintaro, are you with me? Okay, was it banging? The Shintaro of Palm Springs, we'll say. Yeah, sure, sure. I felt like it has a Christian undertone to it. Love that. Love that. So there's Matthew 3, 6, 6 on the... on the menu and shit there's like cartoons of jesus on the menu oh it's like overt it's not they they slick with it it's overt this is the place is called joyce's sushi it's joyce does sound like a christian name if i'm being honest with you oh interesting and there's nobody named joyce who works at this restaurant there is not even a female that works at this restaurant but

amazing merch i'm sending you a photo of the hat right now did you cop i didn't cop i was i decided to take a photo and steal it from my own merch but oh yeah this is really good this is really good so It looks like something Ben Edgar would be envious of. This is very object company, but there's an interesting choice in kerning, let's say, between the apostrophe and the S, almost like something is being left out. Do you think this is purely stylistic, or do you think this is a mistake? This is a collaboration with Idea Books. That's probably what it is. Yeah, this could be. All England Techno Club, Joyce's Sushi. I see the through line. I don't work here. The interesting thing is, you know, every once in a while you'll go to a menu in a foreign country, or sometimes you are the foreigner in the not foreign country, and they'll have words spelled in different ways, you know. And this is not just an English thing. It happens in every language. But, you know, it'll be in English, but some of the words will be mixed around. It's fine. It's not a big deal. It gets you there. But this menu had one that I had never seen before. Okay. So it was like stating something like they had like a buy one sake, get one free happy hour special or something like that. But the word free was spelled. Jesus Christ. It was something that I could not even imagine. Like how they got there. It's obviously a four-letter word, and we know it's spelled F-R-E-E. Let's not assume. It was in a way that my brain... I couldn't compute. I can't recall it right now. It took me so long to figure it out. Was it bad enough that you almost didn't know what the word meant? Even with context clues. You know what I'm saying? I have no idea. No, no, no. That's 1,000. Okay. Just the way that a common four-letter word, I'm able to sort of unjumble them. This one was unjumbleable. There was something about it. It was hidden in plain sight what this was. And it was also using emojis. And I think emojis on menus and just marketing.

in general, is really starting to change and make the world a more global place. It's true. It's the language we all speak. Emoji is the language that we all speak. Pictures. Returning back to Neanderthal cave drives. No, no. That's one way to spin it. I would like you to spin it. I'm spinning it as childlike wonder and the power of illustration and imagination, something that I think is, of course, underappreciated in our you know crumbling society well but i i'm i'm this merch is cool as fuck and i want to go to i mean i have no plans to come back to paul palm springs but i miss it kind of yeah they have their they had some you know the same thing i'll tell you is what i told carolyn you know we don't we don't need to go for the uni in palm desert no no sure sure the basics don't get greedy don't get cocky no You can't get cocky with the uni. Uni is bad everywhere I've ever had it, and I think I've had some of the best, you know, according to someone. But I can't imagine it in Palm Springs when it's 110 when the sun's down. That just doesn't feel right. Desert oysters, obviously, you know, they come in frozen. What's up? We're headlining Desert Oyster Fest this year. It's going to be sick. We got Sublime. The toilets are clogged from 3 to 7, so just... Cruise wisely. If you want the VIP shuckers package, just get in touch. Take it master. They'll sort you out. Shuckers package. That was nice. I had an interesting conversation. So GQ had a dinner with the Italian brand Canale last night that we went to at Borgo, which was delicious. I hadn't been there yet. This is the one where you got all wet, had to wear a suit. I did. I was all wet, and I was set. It was me. It was Alex, me, Cameron Winter, who I'd never met, obviously a fan of. And then across from us was Walton Goggins, the star of stage and screen. And I didn't realize that Walton is from basically just a different suburb that I'm from.

And when I got to check out GQ magazine, they have a profile on him where it says all about it. Yeah, I'm sure I did read it, but I don't remember this kind of shit like Lithia Springs, but he, but he, and then I said, well, I'm actually, I was, I went to like high school in Conyers and he said, I had a girlfriend in Conyers and then I said, oh, my parents live in Decatur. And he said, I had a girlfriend that lived in Decatur. I used to poke on something up there, too. I was like, wow, this is really cool that I could say any city in a two-hour radius of Atlanta, and you would have probably had sex with someone in that radius. It was very impressive. Okay, so you, Cameron, and Walton Goggins. Matt Sweeney. Matt Sweeney and we had a great conversation about Amy Winehouse and the power of her music. Oh, okay. I know. I know. I get emotional. I still feel like Matt Sweeney doesn't like me. He probably doesn't like either of us. That's kind of part of the charm, I think. That's kind of part of the charm. But we discovered, because Cameron was wearing an Elvis shirt, and Will Welch was like, you know, I wear an Elvis shirt sometimes. And then Matt Sweeney was like, I also have an Elvis shirt. And they said that you get a lot of positive verbal responses from lesbians when you wear an Elvis shirt. which is which is a lot to unpack and i feel like there's more there lesbian uh lesbian icon elvis presley yeah which i didn't i didn't realize i mean obviously elvis is an icon to many but i didn't know he was uh embraced so warmly in the lesbian community lesbians reach out let us know if we're wrong you know the more you say it the more i see it i feel like it makes sense like lily friend of the show from celebrity book oh yes of course i feel like She has done a few Elvis Lukes in her day. I think the Elvis haircut has been adopted by, you know, the snail males of the world, et cetera, et cetera. I think Elvis has lesbian hair. Elvis does have lesbian. Betty Davis eyes, Elvis Presley hair. That's all you need. That's all you need to kind of get me going carnal. Yeah, anyway, but it was fun, and I got home at a reasonable hour, but we're back at it. I have to go to that new Condé Nast book party is tonight at the...

original Conde Nast building in the Frank Gehry-designed cafeteria, which should be a fun – because I've been in there, but it's been a long, long time. So I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to asking you if you've – well, I'm looking forward to trying the David's Cod Protein, which we want to talk about. Did you see – I wrote about it today, actually. Really? Well, not that in particular. I wrote about how awful the protein trend has become and that this – even though it was clever, feels like a real, like, maybe that means protein is over. Run the nail in the protein coffin. Like, they did it. It worked. It was a good marketing idea. You know what I mean? But, like, how much further? After protein cereal, I thought we were done. But the hits keep coming. I mean, Chloe's protein popcorn kind of one step closer to the edge. I'm about to break for me. The David protein cod. I don't know. What I worry about it is it will only be purchased the way vinyl is purchased nowadays. People will just buy it to post a screenshot of their shopping cart as an epic win because now that Love Island is over, they have to buy stuff to entertain again. But I'm sure the... homogenized virgin protein is good i love i mean yeah virgin protein and you should you should only be allowed to eat it like a david bar as well oh that's a good idea yeah you have to eat it you have to unsheath it and eat it raw you have to eat it like a fucking turkey yeah that's a turkey chomps with a z all right uh we have a guest today um joe carey is is a actor musician um he has a new album out what's it called the crux It's called The Crux. The Crux. Got it. All right. We got The Crux. And we're looking forward to catching up with our homie here. Let's give him a call, Jason. Let's give him a call, even though we're already talking to him. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web, so do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world,

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how long taskers book up faster, especially for same day tasks. So book trusted home help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code how long with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's trying to slow down. The news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast three times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Three times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. The Guardian is not some billionaire owned. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch it on YouTube. It's three times a week. And who couldn't use more news? Especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Joe, how are you? Hey, what's going on? How are you? What's good, bro? You got headphones on by any chance? I do not. Could you get them? Well, I don't have any. Okay, well, that answers that. Just to be clear, you're a professional musician, correct? I'm actually even at the studio, so I have headphones. I just don't know how to plug them into my phone. It's a dongle situation. I'll tell you, I'm extremely... Technically challenged. Most of your type are. This is something we come against a lot, actually. Where's the studio? New York City. I'm sitting in Lee's office at the studio's Electric Lady. I'm familiar with Electric Lady. It's the premiere. I mean, it's amazing. Do you feel like the ghosts in the walls help you there, or is it just like you can go to dinner in the West Village right after you finish? I feel somewhere in between, I guess. It's funny because obviously there's so much history at this place. Yeah, for sure. When I first started coming here, I kind of was a little intimidated.

I guess quickly, pretty quickly in, you sort of are like, well, I'm not confronted day to day with the fact that any of these legendary people were recording there. It just kind of feels like your place after a while. So that's kind of nice, but it's definitely not lost on me. I mean, like from David Bowie to ACDC to Jimi Hendrix to Lana Del Rey and everybody has recorded here. It's a cool. I was literally having this discussion with a friend at dinner last night and I was like, I don't understand. The idea of like we have to go to the middle of nowhere or we have to go to Malibu. The idea of being able to record in Manhattan and like I said, go to dinner, go to your apartment, go to the Bowery Hotel. Any of these options sound better to me than being like in West Texas with six guys. Go to this bowl. Exactly. Yeah, you can hit this bowl after the studio. It's nice. It's a total. And I guess like there aren't many of them left that are like this. This is like kind of a one of a kind source place. But I agree. I mean, it's convenient to be able to like. especially if you're traveling around a lot, to be able to have something like this in a major hub that feels like a sanctuary and feels like a place where you can let your guard down. It's great. You can let your freak flag fly over an electric lady. You can. I understand that. But you live in New York, right? I do. Yeah, I live here. Okay. I didn't know. But for a long time, or is it fairly recent? Since the beginning of 2023, so just over two years, I guess. Oh, you're still getting your sea legs, young buck. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I grew up outside of Boston in this town called Newburyport. Lived there. Then I lived in Chicago. Then Atlanta and L.A. because I was working and shooting and stuff. And then kind of after the pandemic, I wanted to move back here. Always wanted to live here. Jason's going to get annoyed with me, but I'm from Atlanta, and when we talked to Maya, Maya lived in a house across from my last apartment that I lived in. In Cabbage Town? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I lived on Powell Street by S3P. Dude, that's where my office was. Really? Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. In a house, in the bottom floor of a house. I'll allow it, Chris. I'll allow it.

for a long time he's allowing it i just like that you guys it's just funny that people i don't know it's like a i feel like as far as places you have to live for work reasons it's probably pretty good it is fantastic and kind of still like sort of a secret kind of i mean i don't know it seems like that to me it's like just it isn't totally blown up in a way it still feels like sure small town it feels it feels blown up to me because of what you know but i understand what you're saying if you're coming from new york or la or even chicago it feels much more manageable yeah even boston it's kind of like i don't know it's got that southern sort of you're a little too cool to be from boston this is a surprising revelation Hey, I don't know whether to appreciate that or take that as a defense. As a Bostonian, I'm confused by that compliment. I've learned that Boston and Chicago have a bit of a rivalry in certain sports. You might know that more than I would. Where do your alliances land? That's tough. You a Red Sox, you a Cub. Well, I live in New York also, so it makes it even more difficult now. Another bitter rivalry. I'm for sure Red Sox. I love the Cubs. When they won the World Series in 2017 or 2018, I have great memories watching the finals and driving down during the World Series with my dad to Atlanta. But I kind of fall on the Boston side of things for sports. I think that's fair. I do like the Red Sox logo. I think it's a great historic logo. Classic, man. As far as logos I'm going to wear on my body. As far as a hat goes? Yeah, exactly, as far as a hat goes. Well, I sort of brought it up because this Sunday I'm throwing out the first pitch at the Cubs-Red Sox game at Wrigley. You ever thrown out a pitch, Joe? I've never. Well, I've done it at a Phillies game, oddly enough. Oh, so the B markets were interested in you, but you couldn't. No, no, I'm not big enough. No, no, no, I'm not big enough for the A's.

No. Why do you think I'm releasing music, man? I'm trying to get to that, you know. I got to figure this shit out. I'm trying to get to Fenway. That's the only reason I'm releasing music. I got to get the big green monster under my belt before this shit is all said and done. Okay. So Phillies, how'd you do? You throw a ball? You throw a strike? You put any sauce on it? No, I put no sauce. I went pretty standard, but I got it over the plate and with not a ton of flair, but I didn't. I was watching a compilation of people who had just absolutely biffed it. I think Jason's been doing the same thing. But he sent me a video of his practice, and I was very impressed. I was very, very impressed. But, Jason, I don't want you to get overconfident and try to put some mustard on it and maybe, you know. I don't know, Jason. You might want to just, like, absolutely just spit on that ball and throw it as fast as you can. Well, the one thing I was considering was if there was a cameraman who's, like, near me, Let's call it a two-shot. You're in the biz. We got the main shot looking over the plate, but we got another guy up to the side getting a little B-roll. I say, where's my camera? When I wind back to pitch, right into that B-camera, give him a wink, no look, straight down the middle. If you can do that. I think that that's a good idea. I think he can say that. I don't know if he can do that. I've been able to pull it off in an exhibition match, but not at Wrigley. Not exhibition match. I don't know if I consider you and a guy we know throwing balls in a park to be an exhibition match. You mean Stevie at the park in Glendale is not necessarily an exhibition match? The video you sent me, I feel like Stevie was sitting on a bucket too. No, he was squatting. Oh, he wasn't. Oh, he was squatting. Because I love a bucket sit. I feel like that's real, like, dad playing catch shit. That's like softball beer league type shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I like that for a couple friends tossing it around. I ain't above a bucket. I ain't above a bucket. Must practice. Joe, did you wear a jersey? Yeah, I wore a Phillies jersey. Yeah, they put my name on the back and everything. Okay, I didn't know if you – did you go with anything funny or did you keep it straight?

I just kept it straight. I didn't have any. I just kind of showed up and they had made it for me, which was cool. Well, that must be nice being sample size. Yeah, it has its perks. Just a standard Kiri 69. They handed me the jersey and then I'll find one. Yeah, they had it already made. Oh, yeah. You wanted 420, right, Joe? We got it. It's no problem. Yeah. Yeah, that one wasn't taken. Okay, so, Joe, now that you're living in New York. Do you have a car, or are you carless? No, I have two sisters that live here. One of my sisters has a car, so I can reap the benefits of that. Okay. Do you own a pickup truck in a different home somewhere else? No, I only have this place here and no car. I'm pretty rootless, to be honest with you. Bro, you're smart. This is cool as hell. You have one apartment and no car? Yeah. I barely have an apartment. I got an apartment here. I bought an apartment here, which was an amazing thing I never thought I'd be able to do. And my dad's an architect, and we did some work on it. That's finally done. So I've kind of been homeless, to be honest with you, for about a year. So you said one house, no X, small circle, big checks. Yeah. No truck, no boo. No truck. Don't eat it. When you tell me this, it's disheartening because I'm a man that has been much less successful than you and has a higher overhead is what I'm discovering, and I don't really love that. You're younger. Chris said he has a smaller dick but a bigger nut. Exactly. No need to laugh at that one, Joe. Thank you. You're sweet. But yeah, I don't know. I think that's very commendable, though. It really is. That's hard to do. Honestly, through no real effort, I guess. I'm just sort of like, you know. But you don't have any dark... I mean, not dark in terms of bad, but just like something that you blow money on that we don't talk about. Pokemon cards. You know, something like sports gambling. I don't know. Maybe... You know, the horse gambling, no. Oh, it's pedals, isn't it? Pedals and onboard gear. I've definitely spent some money on, like, acoustic guitars I'm kind of starting to get into. Sure. You know, nothing too crazy, though. Music equipment, for sure, because, you know, that stuff is... That's fine, you're fine. It's also a decent investment. Like, if you keep that stuff and you keep it in pretty good condition, like, all the kind of...

great vintage stuff people are going to want forever. No, that's really true. I mean, you get to use it and then it doesn't necessarily depreciate in value. Exactly. As long as you're taking care of this stuff, especially these guitars. As long as you add a little more charm to the telly, it's worth the same or more. Just one little scuff or something. Nothing major. You wear a special belt when you play that one so it gives it a nice indention on the back. Exactly. That's still very responsible because that's stuff you use. You know what I mean? That's stuff you use or whatever. So it still feels in the realm of responsibility to me. Yeah, I need to be a little less responsible is what I'm kind of learning about myself. Welcome home. Welcome home, Joe. I need to maybe do some crazy stuff maybe. That's a good idea. Have you thought about dating a troubling woman? That would be probably a good idea. Influence your life negatively? Your manager is like, no, no, no. All right, we're done here. I think that the... I think that if you have the mindset that you have, it would be tough to deviate even if you were trying to. Yeah. I think that's the thing. I think that is the thing. Like if I tried to be like you, I couldn't do it. Now, what do you – what's your – I just like things a certain way. And if that costs money, that's going to cost money, and that's what – I'm going to pay for it is kind of how that is, whether that's traveling or going to – whatever it is. I don't – I mean I guess I do, but I don't have like – you know, a car collection. He could have a few less REM t-shirts that cost $400. Yeah, I've got a lot of that. I got a lot of that. But in a similar way to the Fender Twin from 1959, those retain your value as well. Honestly, I would say they probably do retain their value. They retain their – and the popularity is only increasing. Or at least that's what you tell your mom at least. That's what I tell my mom and my wife and anyone else who will listen. And you can sweat them, you know, sweat them a little bit. You make it your own, and then eventually – I'm adding flavor. I'm adding – certainly some sort of flavor, I would imagine. I'm adding my own salt. Yeah, we got a video of you jumping in the ocean with that on, Chris. Oh, man. The value skyrockets at that point. Cha-ching. Are you collecting T-shirts or no? No, I don't collect –

t-shirts uh on tour when we were just going on tour they're you know we're doing a little shopping here and there but you and the you and the fellas hinting the vintage stores that's pretty fun that's quite fun you're look at this motherfucker it's so tame that's pretty fun it's quite fun i'm like a pretty tame guy i think generally no it's cool you have a nice disposition that has probably allowed you to do all this stuff because you seem relatively unfazed, which is a nice way to be. Yeah, I don't know. It's all just like ridiculous and crazy, I guess. That's right. The fact that any of this has been able to, that I can do this for my job. I mean, I can lose sight of that sometimes, but I try to remind myself like, dude, your life is amazing and it could be horrible and you're really lucky. So every time I think about that, I guess it's also like a way to scare myself straight. You know, don't do anything too crazy because you could be, you know, back to busing tables. This could all be over. Yeah, this could all be over. Get your gratitude on, player. Get your gratitude on. Oh, that's funny. I have a tattoo that says that right over here. It's so weird that you mention that. It seems like you're pretty void of social media. You kind of stay away from that, and I think that's probably the best, well, maybe. Yeah, as much as I can. Because you don't have, like, just a. the joe instagram or twitter or whatever but you have one for your musical project which is kind of like when you know my wife's mom will create an instagram profile for like a dog or a cat as a way to you'll be sneak through yeah that's exactly right like i don't i don't have instagram i mean what i do for my band it has 1.4 million but i mean i don't you know i don't use it yeah that's not my thing that's marketing tools and everything but but all that is to say you're probably not spending hours and hours looking at other people's lives and bodies and vacation schedules and things like that so that's helping keep the head on on the shoulder it's a slippery slope but dude i mean for anyone it's a slippery slope i you know if i have to i'll get like you know oh we gotta post this stuff and we're about to tour da da da da and then you download the app and then all of a sudden like you're like fuck i spent like like six hours on that in the past

two days like this is like such a it's just like such a the thing that made me feel so bad about myself for using it is like if you think about all the cumulative time that you spend looking at some random app when you die it's like a disgusting number it's like don't don't bring that up don't bring that up please don't it's horrible it's actually horrible and it makes you feel so bad about yourself but like they designed it for you to get totally addicted to it it's like those motherfuckers man no it's true it is those motherfuckers we're finding that a lot of our sort of musician peers are in a position where they've reached enough success where they don't use it either it's like i actually i understand that it's like a tool but i have a label and a manager that can handle that i don't get some help yeah i don't have to engage like i think it is a smart thing to do if you're trying to make stuff constantly you need to be in a different mindset yeah than me who can i have the freedom to mindlessly scroll on instagram and ruin my life it's a full-time job doing like running an instagram page is a really you got to really kind of thank you and it takes a lot of like planning and it takes a lot of shit that i'm really bad at and the reason that like i'm making music isn't because i want to run an instagram page just because i want to screw around with my you know dumb toys adults adults you know guitar you know just fiddle around all that yeah that's your job that that should be other other people in the in the musical worlds that we interview on this podcast use it social media for, you know, maybe some other reasons. You know what I mean? Maybe they're a little more active in the DMs, we'll say. They use it as a marketing tool, quote-unquote. Joe ain't seen the inside of a DM in a decade. He said, I don't even know. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I've never opened one, never seen one. DM? What is that? Dude, I like Depeche Mode. They're cool. What do you mean? Depeche Mode rocks. Yeah, I like Depeche Mode, man. Yeah, I mean, Joe, even if the finger starts moving up towards that inbox, meta, like your business manager just has meta, just pull the plug, just crash it. Yeah, just block it. It goes directly to Reverb.com. Redirect, a quick redirect. Quick redirect. You guys played Glastonbury, right? All right, this episode of How Long Gone has brought you back. Quince.

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mucking it up with everybody else you know getting sleep on the ground where you can and drinking warm beer that somebody get you know it really does capture that and america hasn't had that since the 60s probably other than the juggalos of course definitely no that is you're totally you're dead on with it and it's like i mean you you did get helicoptered in and out of the of the muck but yeah i mean i did take a helicopter and i did have you know the roads were troublesome i did get a couple b12 you know ivs every every hour otherwise it was totally normal in between the ivs it was intense the idea of being able to sort of wait in line for a pint flanked by alexa chung and sienna miller and then you see the libertines play and then you sleep on the ground that does sound pretty good like overall it's cool there yeah and it has the identity of the festival is different than i've been to a couple i've we been to coachella been to lalapalooza been to austin psych fest been to some just like a random boston calling and this festival is like I feel like it originated the idea of like kind of a festy person. And so when you kind of go there, you're like, oh, this is what every festival is trying to do. Sure. This is the blueprint. This is the blueprint. Like this is the blueprint. And it's like this is like where the stereotype is from. And not in a bad way. I just mean like it's people there are like very. And nothing bad happens there, if you think about it. Everybody's really looking out for each other. In America, we're getting murders. There's no way that's going to go down. There's no way that's going down. They can't even... Bonnaroo gets canceled because it rains. They can't handle this. Stealing goods from tents. Yeah, they can't handle this. They can't handle this. After you played and you're kind of wandering around, maybe you have a little disguise on. Maybe the hat's tucked down a little bit low. Are people... I feel like people are being more respectful of celebs over there than they are in America as well, yeah? Yeah, a couple people said, hey, I love the set or whatever, and festivals are hard, man. It's like a different, because a lot of people aren't there for the whole time, people are seeing a bunch of different music, and all in all, I think the experience at that festival was my favorite festival experience we've ever had. It felt like...

Felt a little easier, I guess, maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little looser. Interesting. I do think the audience is also very, like, you're right, there's, like, a lot going on, obviously, but I think they're all, like you're saying, sort of, like, psyched to be there and, like, engaged in a way that is a little different, too. And I think the overall energy of the festival, having never been in my entire life, feels like it creates a place where the energy polices itself, where the bands who are normally... yelling at the sound guy and screaming at the monitor tech and complaining about this thing and that it's a little more like hey we're leaving the ego at the door we're going a little more easy breezy we know that it's you know things are not going to be exactly how you want them to be and we're not going to be a fucking knobhead about it yeah yeah yeah i think so i love that that's what i try to encourage in people as well yeah i try to set that i try to set that tone as often as possible did you uh after you finished had a couple loggers, did you wander into maybe a little rave cave somewhere deep into the woods? Come on, you know me, man. I'm in bed by... I'm in bed by 10. So you didn't watch Charlie and George DJ with like A.G. Cook at 3 in the morning? No. Well, I did see all. I saw Charlie. I saw A.G.'s show. I saw little Father John. Joe snubbed for the Apple dance yet again. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what I have to do. Starting to feel personal now. What do I have to do to be able to do this dance? I am sure that you have a see-through shirt just like Gracie Abrams. I'm sure you have something in your closet that would work. I have the shirt, but I just didn't get the call. I think I was. like maybe 20 people down from top choice sure there's a there's a list i think there's a list we're thinking about it on the delta upgrade list you are you were not at the in the top no no no i don't know there's no there's no global global apple dance certificates you can use you know we keep we keep bringing up mesh this week on on the podcast do you own any mesh shirts i don't think so well i have like a hockey

uh penny from like a while ago actually i'm unloading my closet right now because i'm like moving into this place what do you mean by penny i'm sorry i'm not familiar with that term like a penny like you put it on if you're like scrimmaging or something like that so it's like a scrimmage jersey basically pretty much yeah and it's okay okay sort of like mesh but not i mean it's like fake right right right you guys have any mesh i'm i'm i think it's i have some gauzy material shirts that are a little bit transparent. Like, you know what I mean? Like a gauzy texture, I'm saying. That's not mesh. But it is somewhat see-through. Mesh is too obvious to me. Mesh, the holes are big enough to where you could read a book through it, perhaps. Exactly, yeah. I don't need anybody seeing that. No, I feel the same way. I'm past the time where I could probably pull mesh off, and it's not going to get any prettier. Your body's really bad. I know. It's all downhill from here. It's all downhill from here. Okay, I want to go back a little bit musically. Let's say we go back, because you're what, early 30s? Yeah, 33. Okay, so let's say maybe like 2005-ish. Yeah. When the young Joe was being musically crafted and shaped. What were we listening to then? I mean, I was very into like classic rock, like ACDC. love hcdc when i was a kid especially come on bro not hcdc your boston is showing bro your boss your boston is out your boss i know you want to hear what's even worse the cars big one the cars are cool no the cars are cool that's boston baby i know that's why you're that's well you know the best band from boston unless i'm missing something that joaquin phoenix did is the lemon heads oh well i mean they are amazing too but I was going to say Boston, honestly. Boston, the band Boston. That album, that was one of my first albums my dad got me. Four Play, long time. That is just burned into my brain. So, like, classic rock stuff, obviously, was very big for me. And then, kind of like Daft Punk, I guess, was also a real big one. Like, listening to Discovery, I got a laptop around that time and downloaded a bunch of music illegally, and that was one of the artists.

I downloaded Tribe Called Quest was another one that randomly, I don't know why, I downloaded a lot of their music. That was like Black Eyed Peas, so I kind of like Black Eyed Peas. Honestly, Black Eyed Peas are having a huge renaissance right now. Are they really? Because current modern pop music is sort of depressing and minor. And Black Eyed Peas, for all of their faults, made legitimate, fun, partying music that is actually hitting better than we realized, and we didn't know what we had back then. I think it's true, and everything sort of moves, obviously, in cycles, so it's only a matter of... And also why Daft Punk is still... You know, the number one electronic group. Fantastic. Yeah, they're kind of undeniable. I didn't know that about Black Eyed Peas, Jason. I'm going to keep my ears perked. I mean, for better and for worse. LMFAO is coming back as well. Come on, come on. No, straight up. I thought he was a tennis player now. I thought he was a tennis player now. He is a tennis player. Yeah, he's battling out in the 147th round of the Iowa International Open. As well as climbing the charts once again. Good for it. He's getting his mailbox money. Good for Red Fu. Are you guys tennis fans? You guys watch Wimbledon? Oh, I watched it. Yeah, I had it on. I love Wimbledon and the French and US Open, all the majors, because I can have them on mute all day while I'm working and sort of dip in and dip out of it. I'm just not. Alcaraz doesn't do it for me. I find him annoying. I like the Americans because they have attitude and they're kind of fun, but I don't know if they're ever going to be able to beat Sinner and Alcaraz. That's the problem. Sinner's looking quite good these days. Is that your guy? Kind of. I think so. He's great. He's just kind of unbelievable. He's number one for a reason. I like the way he looks. He looks sophisticated in a way.

The one that like Federer, the way that kind of Federer did, like very composed. And I know that goes against what I'm saying because I want somebody who's, I don't need Kyrgios, but like a Tiafoe or a Ben Sheldon, kind of like having fun with it where these guys are like surgical. Certainly they are. Yeah, certainly. What is up with Kyrgios? He's kind of, well, he's not in the mix anymore. He's almost like an announcer sort of personality. Yeah, he's a commentator, Jason. Yeah, he's doing, I don't know if he's on Tennis Channel. But is he ever going to play again? No, I don't think so. No. He's just going to wear ugly Team Jordans for the rest of his life. How old is he? He's probably like, what, my age maybe? He's 30. He's 30. He's 30 only? Holy shit, man. But he was so fun. I saw him play once at the Atlanta Open. He's so good. And it was so fun. And I don't care who wins or loses. It's just actually fun to watch. He's an amazing player, too. He's truly gifted. Did you go to Wimbledon? Mm-mm. No, I've never been to Wimbledon. I've been to the U.S. Open before. I went the last two years, I guess, with my parents. That's amazing. U.S. Open's amazing. And then I went to the Atlanta Open, actually, too. You did go. Yeah, it's fun because it's like you can get tickets. Like I paid 200 bucks to sit, you know, in the fourth row. Yeah. And it's like, it's, it's just, that's what I've always been told by my real heads is that like, if you really just want to watch tennis, go to Charleston, go to Cincinnati, go to Atlanta and just stay for the weekend. And it's still cheaper than going to the U S open. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. I just, I've gotten caught at the U S open on one of those. Like I'm with a friend who loved. rafa too much and we had to stay till like 2 30 a.m you know what i mean i just don't have that in me yeah yeah i just don't have that i gotta go home that's late um joe it's late any um back to music really quick i was listening to the new record my wife my wife and i were enjoying it this morning hey thanks in palm springs i couldn't help but notice some strokes influence in the tunes oh for sure but is it possible that you have made

strokes sounding music better than the strokes can make in 2025 absolutely not i may have worded i mean obviously you're not going to answer that question with any other answer other than that but i was i was thinking like you know julian's got the voids and he's doing that thing and in current strokes music i was like i think the this motherfucker may have maybe strokesing better than the strokes are strokesing right now obviously early strokes Untouchable. Untouchable. Untouchable by anyone. Yeah. But you were too young for the first strokes, like real. Yeah, when it hit, I was too young. $3 bill, MTV2. That is one of my favorite live performances ever. That is like an unbelievable, stylish, and amazing. Who shot it? Was that like a Spike Jonze thing? I think it was Spike Jonze. No, that shit's amazing. And it comes up. It's funny, like Jason was saying about Black Eyed Peas, but I feel like that. performance and like clips and screenshots and that come around every few years oh as like this is it those guys are that was i mean that's a huge that one i didn't mention when you asked me that other question but i definitely remember you know being in my parents garage and finding that exact concert because i used to you know i'm from outside of boston but i couldn't make music in the house because it was too loud so i'd go to this garage it was like an unheated it's just like a shed pretty much and you know roll little tiny joints and like smoke my joint and like record a little music and like i remember finding out about um the strokes and just being you know there's certain times and when you just connect with an artist and you're like i cannot believe somebody has done this it's like it's a combination of like you're so jealous of something but you also really want to be a part of something i guess and when i have this feeling i'm like oh this is something really so great so they're great i mean i like all their music i think all their music honestly will stand the test of time and i think it's just really interesting and they're all very talented and obviously julian is just kind of from a different planet sort of and has this like special x factor it's a way that people don't people aren't like that anymore kind of yeah he just is like different yeah he's different we saw them play a couple years ago they did a show for

the j crew 40th anniversary at pier 17 and they played like five songs and they looked like they hated being there they were making fun of it the whole time but they sounded it was unbelievable how good they were yeah it was so it was like a real it was like these guys don't want to do this it doesn't matter they're just that good yeah i'd only seen them i'd seen them on the first tour and so i hadn't seen them in whatever you know 20 years or something at that point so it was like it was a fun It was fun to be like, wow, these guys still got it. Yeah, I saw them their first L.A. show. Wow. Yes, Atlanta. I saw the Atlanta show for sure. Where was it in both? What was the venue that you guys saw them? I saw them. We saw the L.A. was at the Pal. It's called the Avalon now, but it was at the Palace. I think it was called the Palace back then. And then we went and saw them in San Diego the day before, I remember. It was probably, I don't know, 800-cup venue. I don't remember. I want to say Tabernacle, but I think Tabernacle is too big for that era. But I also feel like they're one of those bands that like... they booked a tour and then the record comes out and then it's like, Oh shit, we got to upgrade every venue. Like this is crazy. Yeah. I think maybe that, that would make sense. Cause Tabernacle is, you've been there. It's special. It's cool. It's very cool. I saw, um, welcome there. Amazing show. That's a great Wilco venue. Oh, it was amazing. So, so good. I used to have a friend who worked the door there and I would bring her dinner and I could go to any show I want. So I saw like, Nick Cave, PJ Harvey, like everything that came there, I would go see. So I have some great memories attached to that place. So was this a friend's own situation? You were simping, bringing her dinner and stuff? No, I was like, if Ryan Adams is playing here, I need to be in the building. You said you want white meat or dark meat if Ryan Adams is playing? Yeah, I said, do you want white meat or dark meat? If Nick Cave is playing for a thousand people, I need to be there. Well, speaking of you going down to the old shed and rolling

rolling up a pinner and firing up the Strat. It was feeling very, you know, Springsteen-esque, you know, just some American music being made in an American garage with some Levi's on kind of thing. And I was thinking about the Springsteen biopic with our friend. Yeah, Jeremy Allen White, yeah. Jeremy Allen White. Number one, you could have been a contender for that role. Number two, you know, are there any other, have anyone or has anyone approached you about any biopic role since you are an actor who is also a legitimate musician? Now, what if you play Julian in the Strokes biopic? Want to feel old? There we go. I don't know if they should make a biopic about those guys. Unfortunately, he's like, he's not, the age gap is not wide enough. for that to really happen. He's like, I'll just do it myself. Joe, we could get you some ugly, puffy basketball sneakers so you can start getting into character if you want. Yeah, you could rip my jeans for me. Nick's colored Adidas high tops. I think we'd get you right there. We'd get you very close. So any interest in any biopicking? Did you audition for Bruce? No, I didn't audition for that. You know, I think with these, it's hard, man. It's hard. I mean, there are good ones that exist, but it's... Like what? I don't know. Walk the line, I guess. It depends on what your... Yeah, yeah. It depends on what your... Hey, I like the doors. Yeah, the doors. I mean, it's like... I don't know. I think it's really hard, man. I think it's a hard thing to do well. Well, I feel like the problem is you have to either choose an amazing musician or an amazing actor. You don't get both, so they have to learn one of the skills, kind of, or at least improve greatly on one of the skills if you have to do both. I think the main thing that I take issue with is some of these people are iconic. They're larger than life, and something I love about movies is when it

shines a light on something that you don't know about. So when we're making movies about these people who you know everything about, it's sort of like, what's the point of me watching this? So, you know, there are certain musicians who, like, I don't know. Honestly, the first person who comes to mind is Sid Barrett, you know, founding member of Pink Floyd. I'm not... I do not want to do this movie, founding member of Pink Floyd, but, you know, has kind of this breakdown and sort of ends up exiting the band before kind of their most iconic music is made. Like, that's kind of an interesting story. Another person who I think would be really interesting is if they made a Phil Lynette biopic. Lee, the singer of Thin Lizzy, who, you know, is Irish. black and just like an interesting guy and like lived an interesting life yeah and you don't want to play that role either just to be clear no that one i know that one i don't think i don't think i'm super appropriate for that one i mean i don't think i'm right i was thinking like i was watching the the winehouse biopic and the girl from industry She does such a good job on that show, and I'm watching her on the Winehouse doc, and it's her film to lose. No one can do that. You're asking this person to do such an impossible task. Winehouse is a great example. Or who's going to play Kurt Cobain in a movie? I guess you could do that, Joe. It's exactly what I mean. Who's really going to do it? It's too hard to really... Another one that was really interesting was the Todd Haynes movie, the I'm Not There, I'm Still Here, the Bob Dylan one, where all the different actors played Bob Dylan at different periods of his life. So it's like more of a kaleidoscope about the essence of somebody rather than like a retelling of the story. And like, I don't know. Jamie Foxx does a really good Ray Charles, but does it make it a really good movie? I don't know. I'm impressed with him that he's able to do such a great Ray. But is the movie actually good? What's kind of the point in a way? Is that a movie I would want to watch? Yes, I think. And no, I don't know. It's fine if you do want to watch it. The Bible's probably good. I don't want to read it. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's your problem, man. You should read that thing. Jason's got a lot of problems. One thing, he's never read the Bible all the way through. Hear what ails me. Joe, how's your protein intake going? I actually just had a protein shake today, so I'm going great.

Okay, wow. Okay, wow. I never have a protein shake, and I went to a smoothie place on a break today when we were just working, and I was like, you know what? Put protein in that. Was it because you were about to come to an episode of How Long Gone with Chris Black, protein god? I just knew I had to be bulking. You had to do 100 push-ups before you got on. It's like when an R&B singer goes on stage, you got the shirt on. You're going Trey Songz mode for this podcast. I already know. And Joe's like, yeah, R&B singer. Those guys, only those guys do it. Yeah, yeah. Are you like a Manhattan guy or a Brooklyn guy? Manhattan. You are. Yeah, smart. Nothing against Brooklyn. I love Brooklyn. No, no, it's fine. This is a Brooklyn negative podcast, even though that's our probably biggest listenership. It's Brooklyn negative. I would rather live in Connecticut. You know what I mean? If I'm not going to live in New York, I'm going to live. And I feel like you might. Is that true? You really would? Yeah, dude. I'm not living in. I mean, those places are beautiful. Don't get me wrong. Like Fort Greene, Cobble Hill, all that shit is fucking nice. It's just it's more like Boston than it is New York, though, to be honest. Well, I don't know if I agree with that. What would you what would you compare it to? Man, that's a good question. You know what? There are parts of. Brooklyn that actually do remind me of Cabbage Town. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I could see that for sure. And I do like that. I do like, you know, in Manhattan, you don't really, you know, there are like parts of it that are tucked away. But not really. Yeah, there's a $10 million townhouse in the West Village that's tucked away. But there's nothing else. No, there's like a million people walking by all the time. So there's something kind of like really nice that seems a little bit more neighborhood-y about certain areas over there, which I like. Yeah, no, it's 100% more neighborhood-y. 100%. Yeah. And Chris says that's what's bad about it. But you go out there? Do you go out there? Did you say your sister lives there? Yeah, I got one sister who lives.

In Greenpoint and another sister who lives in like Fort Greene. So I'm kind of bouncing over there all the time. I'll say, okay, so you're a man of the, you're on the city bike, you're on the train. I just rode over the bridge like two days ago on that city bike. It's great. I've recently started using city bike in the last like month. I'd never used it before. So good. It's the only way to get around. I feel stupid, but I was scared. Oh, it's so good. It's so, so good and very much worth it. You may look like a little bit of a fool. I feel like. Sure. Luckily, I always feel like a fool, so accessories don't really change that. As long as you don't wear a helmet, you'll be okay. You still look badass. Joe's like, I wore a hat. That's enough, right? That's enough, right? That'll protect me. You'll bounce right off. Okay, so you're all done filming final season of Stranger Things. That is behind you, and now... That comes out in September, November? Yeah, November. So you have from now until November, and then as soon as that's over... then Stranger Things is behind you? Yeah, I mean, for me now, I'm pretty much, I'm done. I mean, all I got to do is... I mean, you're going to have to do press tours and marketing and, you know, podcast appearances and stuff. You'd be surprised, though, actually. For the next few months. It's like the press is a little lighter than you'd think. Because there's so many people, they can divide it amongst all the people pretty evenly. So when it comes to actually promoting the show, you know, I have to do a couple weeks or something. But really, it's not as bad as like a traditional sort of... promo tour right right right film i think i think it's a lot easier yeah i guess also with netflix they just press one button and stranger things it's up and you know you know they don't have to you know it's just like coca-cola it's like here it is here you go yeah you don't have to it's not a hard sell at this point so is it bittersweet yeah are we we're ready to close this chapter move on i mean a mix i think it was super bittersweet i mean kind of crazy really that i who's doing it for so long and it's sort of time flies, I guess. And it's been nine years since it came out. It's like, what the hell? What happened? Sort of. So how, what's the, what's the, what's the year difference between these last two seasons? Oh man, I think 15, maybe 15 years. Because what happens basically with this stuff is you, you do a show, it becomes a runaway hit.

everybody's booked, everybody's doing other things, and it's hard to get the band back together. Yeah. COVID and the strike. Yeah, sure. I mean, COVID and the strike alone sent us back, I think, two years. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. So the last one came out in 2022. Oh, that's a long time. 2022, okay, yeah. And you were in Atlanta where they were like... COVID didn't matter. Yeah, I was down there. COVID mattered less in Atlanta than it did in LA. It did. We were definitely at Linux Square at the same time, tearing them all up. Scientifically smart. No math. Do you have... does the appetite for acting like are you good like do you want to just make music or do you think that you know if i get a job i'd love to do it uh if i can book a job but i can't seem to do it you're like i'm actually open for so are you doing do you do a lot of auditions like are you active oh yeah absolutely yeah i'll still like audition for stuff. Do you want us to help you? Please. Can I give you my resume? Any help? Do you guys know Lena Dunham? I love her show. We spend a lot of time at San Vicente Bungalows. Movers and Shakers. You ever heard of A24? I'll give you some headshots. You can just leave them on a couple tables. That's a great idea. They would think you were applying to be a waiter, but we could still figure it out. Oh, this guy. Yeah, he'd be a perfect bar back. He'd be great here. He's good with fresh ice. Joe said no job too small right now. So he's kind of open. Yeah, no job too small. Anything. Open for anything. I just feel like it's nice to have something else going on, though, because I feel like if you do a TV show for nine years, for whatever, nine years in total, a lot of people, if they don't have something on deck, they're lost because that's all you've done. Yeah, I mean. I've been lucky enough to, like, get a couple things under the belt and worked on some other stuff. But to also have this job, you know, that looks like my hobby that's kind of turned into a job. It's been great because I'm a bit of a workaholic and like to keep busy. So, you know, if things were slow on the show or I was, like, kind of tied up but not working, which ends up happening a lot when you're on something like this, I kind of could just fill my own time and stay busy and just sort of ended up.

doing all this stuff. So I didn't plan on doing all this music, really, and then all of a sudden just sort of like it happened this way again. So just happy to be kind of moving and shaking and keep going. Look, if the market demands it, you have to give them what they want, man. That's what it is. When Glastonbury calls, you must go. You must go. I guess I'll play. Are we opening or closing? I guess I'll go. Do we play before or after 1975? I'll do it anyway. It doesn't matter. Okay, fine. How did you end up meeting Eugene, our dear friend of the show? For our listeners, Joe was in a film, what was that, was 2020? Spree? Yeah. Something like that? Yeah. It came out right at the start of COVID. Eugene's been on the show a couple times. He's a fan favorite because he's such a fucking... Amazing little psycho. Smartest guy I've ever met. I don't know if that's definitely true or not. I think he's a Jason favorite. I don't know if everyone likes it as much. I like it quite a lot. Sure, sure, sure. He's an acquired taste in a good way. Truly amazing and a gifted filmmaker and just like a compelling and smart guy, I think. Just great. Did you have to convince your team? about this or were they cool about you doing something that was a little more you know on the fringes of cinema yeah i don't know if everybody was pumped about it but i think like people kind of saw the vision i guess like the script was just really funny to me and scary at the same time which is a great combo yeah and uh i kind of just felt like well this is like a real different thing I mean, generally, when you're working on something, you want to do the exact opposite. So I'd come from Stranger Things, which was kind of like traditional filmmaking, and the character was very much one thing. And this felt like kind of the opposite. So for me, it was just an enticing opportunity. What is your script reading strategy? Do you skim? You a skimmer? Do you go straight into it? I just got to go straight in. But I will say.

You can tell pretty quickly, at least for me, if it's going to be something that you're into. If you struggle to finish the script or if you get bored, you're not going to, I don't know, it's probably boring. If you don't have Instagram on your phone and then you get bored, I would kill myself. I wouldn't know what to do. I'd be lost. What if the script is boring but the offer is high? You can make it work. Well, people are, I mean, I know people who have come, you know, decided to do things that they don't want to do and then they do it. If your hand is forced, that sucks. I mean, that's partly why I keep the overhead so low is because you don't want to, you know, be in that position where you're like, shit, I got it. do this but it sucks gotta go back and do a couple chicago fires keep the lights on exactly is that joe is that joe on law and order season 28 i thought he was kind of past this i thought we'd kind of you know not above extra work that's weird burn victim just a guest just a guest star on the table he just loves being on set yeah no lines totally naked no lines Yeah, it was weird. They made me lay down. It was like an autopsy thing, so I didn't have to talk. No lines naked. Yeah, full frontal. I saved it for something that was really worth it. I was worried, but it was worth it. It paid off in the end. It paid off in the end. Well, it is good that you do have the Stranger Things. I don't know how much money you have made from that, but it's been a wildly successful show, and I'm sure things have been okay. can help you be very picky and choosy about what exactly you want to do. But sometimes it seems, I kind of like when sometimes people's hand is forced and then they end up doing something, you know, like a... charlie sheen on two and a half men where you're like what the fuck is going on and then he ends up just like killing it you know yeah i'm not saying that i don't want that to happen for you but like mickey rourke in the wrestler i'm pretty sure yeah yeah exactly exactly where it's like if i don't do this movie i'm going to have to sell my house so i'm going my bitch wife is taking everything uh no country for old men brolin i'm pretty sure was like broke yeah right

Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's the reason Oasis is reuniting. Noel's getting divorced and he's going to get taken to the cleaners. It's good for everybody. I didn't realize that. Is that true? That sucks. I'm not joking. I feel like they announced the divorce was happening and maybe six months later. Maybe a year. I don't think it wasn't going to put Noel out on the street, but he has a certain standard of living and kids who have a standard of living that he has to. You know, he was looking 20 years down the runway and saying he's I got I got five. I got five kids named Anais that don't have jobs. We got to figure something out. Like there's only so many Burberry family campaigns we can do. We got bills. I'd hate to sell the lake house or at least have to rent it out partially. I'd hate to sell the crumbling mansion in the Cotswolds. It's got a lot of stone work we need to repair. So we're not spending the bucks on the Balenciagas, on the Rick Owens. We probably have some crumb in the wardrobe, but how are we? Are we investing the money anywhere at least? Do you have somebody that deals with it and we don't talk about it? Or is it a little real estate, some stocks? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've got myself at least covered in that regard. doing nothing with it but just uh you're not doing nothing with it you're just not spending it which is yeah at least you're seeing some results you know if you don't have to i'm uh yeah i think that that's the smart approach i think that's the smart approach but we're not investing in uh restaurants your friend's bar yeah you're not putting [redacted address] it's gonna bomb and green point not yet i guess not yet You're like, if you have any offer, if you have any decks for me to look at, I'd love to check it out. Any friends from high school that have a t-shirt company in the works? That's a great idea, man. That's a really good idea. Once we finish, I'll send you my deck. I mean, no pressure, but, you know. That's genius, man. I shouldn't go to the pizza company. This is what the world needs. This is what the world needs. Okay, so do we have any more touring?

On the horizon this summer or the rest of the year? Yeah, we're doing some opening shows for Gracie Abrams, which will be cool. Oh, nice. And then we're doing Lollapalooza, which I'm pretty excited to do because, you know, Chicago. We are too. We're doing Lollapalooza. What day, Jason? The 31st? The first day? Either that or the first. Are you going to be there? Yeah, I'm going to be there the whole weekend. All right, well, let's hang. We'll be there. Let's hang. Love to. It's going to be great. Lollapalooza. I've had such a really nice time at that festival. So it'll be cool. And then we're doing some, like a month of touring at the end of September, like middle end of September through October. And so that'll be really kind of like a nice way to end the year and, you know, working on new music and just, yeah, keeping the ball rolling, I guess, really. And sort of like as these kind of fun opportunities pop up, just... hopefully things can kind of like slot in i kind of like i said i don't really have any acting jobs lined up so it's sort of like it's the first time in a long time that i've had nothing in the in the future so where do you all want me to play sure fuck it i'll come well i mean that being said you're doing two nights at the greek in la so it's not exactly like we're just you're not kicking the can down the line for the founder and you're doing real shows and multiple ones i can't yeah that is true that is how big how big is the band it's uh seven people so i mean it's basically an excuse to just get all your buddies to play together so the band is all my friends from chicago you know who i met through waiting tables and love that we love we love a real band story it's so rare these days well it's also like you spend so much time on the road and why not have it i mean apart from these guys being amazing musicians you know it's populated just with my friends a pal from It's great. My, my pal, Sam, who, you know, we grew up and went to first grade together and he worked at a KPMG and has kind of, you know, been playing with the band. So he's like this like business guy slash like rock rock. So he's still, he's still a consultant at KPMG, but he's able to play guitar when you need him. Yeah. So this is, you're not the only millionaire person who has this as their side gig. Got it.

this guy's like yeah that's that's actually a really it's a bad man well now that you're telling me this great story of how everyone met and then you went off you did the acting you reunited with the original band we're going on tour post animal is what they're called by the way yeah Now I'm starting to say who's going to play Joe in the Joe biopic. Well, listen, if I can't get that job, then I'm truly a horrible actor. But I'm saying your story is becoming worthy of a great biopic, and whoever's going to play the young Joe hasn't even been born yet. Okay? That is... Just wanted to leave you with some food for thought, Joe. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for joining us. You don't have to marry him. They're just going to play you. No, we appreciate it. And good luck in the stew. Thanks, man. And honestly, we'll be in Lollapalooza, so we'll figure it out. What's the name? Yeah, we'll see you at the after party, bro. Absolutely. Good to see you, man. We'll talk to you soon. Good to see you. Later. Later.