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All right, TJ, what's good, baby? What's up? Reporting live from La Jolla, California. I love when Mr. California gets to travel and explore his base. Bro, I'm splashing out in my own backyard. Who would have thunk it? I would have. California has so much to offer, Jason. Yeah, we... My LP and I were supposed to... Do not ever do that again. You're grounded for that one. The wild forests of Big Sur, California. And then, you know, it caught on fire. So none of that. We booked a little last-minute hotels tonight type shit. And I got to say, I think we were liking it more than we would in Big Sur. Big Sur is one of the most overrated places in the world. I mean, it's beautiful, but there's nothing to do. I guess I just don't like the woods enough. There's nothing to do. You are not a man of the woods. Unlike our King JT, I'm not a man of the woods. But I'm glad that you guys were able to get away. Yeah, I think you would really love the vibes here. It's got everything that you want and nothing that you don't. If it has a pool and some sunshine and some healthy farm-to-table meals, it's really a pretty low-maintenance, TJ. There isn't a ton of farm-to-table meals going on, but everything else is good. The hotel that I'm staying at is outfitted with Laird Superfood turmeric dispenser. Wow. You just shoot the turmeric in your cup like it's creamer at DD? Exactly. When you go to 7-Eleven and they have the Irish cream on the pump that you can dip in, they have that. It's not self-serve. We're in COVID now. Laird is really out here getting a motherfucking bag. We need to get Laird Superfoods involved in this podcast somehow. I feel like we could make that happen probably. I don't know if he's going to love our vibe, but it is possible and I would like to explore that more. I might be able to get Laird as a guest.

shit that'd be amazing you know who he's you know he's married to right yeah gabby reese the famous women's volleyball player i just love when two legends connect famous women's volleyball player and then didn't she like wasn't she a model or something as well kind of i mean yeah she's very hot yeah yeah very it's very like mtv sports like 1999 yeah she was she had a daisy fuentes vibe to me We love Daisy Fuentes. Simpler time with Fuentes. Yeah, I think San Diego, I mean, it really is not the best, but if you go to the right area, I mean, it's very similar to LA in that the areas that give it a bad reputation are definitely there and you just have to find the right pocket of chill, rich people and you're good. I'm glad you found that, Jason. I'm sure Carolyn's very happy. fuck yeah man um yeah otherwise what's going on in in la tell me well la scene report reporting live from the gutter um not much bro i mean it's the same old on this side i had to return those nike four percent running shoes because it was causing me so much pain damn Yeah, I went to Larchmont yesterday with friends of the show, Jeff Hendrickson and Eric Elms for a little Lincoln build. And in a sad, sad thing that happened, they both enjoyed delicious looking sandwiches from Larchmont Wine and Cheese while I had a... chia seed pudding from creation which they loved uh to to and i deserved every everything i got for that but um i still haven't set foot in a creation yet but in down in saint san diego please believe there are many locations from creation of creation and of nectar creation and nectar are both cancer aesthetically but

the offering is pretty good if you're healthy and in a pinch it's no juice press by by any stretch of the imagination uh but it serves a purpose in a pinch on larchmont where there's not many healthy options you know what i mean um at the airport or on larchmont it is what you got exactly it's it's one step below earth bar um and but over on larchmont isn't there the um Cafe Gratitude? Remember when everyone was all Gratitude Hive and now nobody discusses Cafe Gratitude? I order Cafe Gratitude new reads twice a week probably. Damn, like Postmates delivery to the crib? yeah to the telly baby i love it i love i love cafe gratitude i mean the vibe is is sinister when you're inside i mean it's like it's i've always loved af i've always loved the vibe but the food is good it's like i mean i'm not going crazy there but there's like a bowl that's like kale and black beans and you know it's like simple and good um so good right now it sounds sure good um but uh Yes, but that's not on Larchmont, Larchmont. That's like a couple blocks off the block. You know what I'm saying? I need to be in the mix. Because see, the thing about Larchmont, the reason it's extra attractive to me is Go Get Him Tiger, which I don't really like that much. There are benches across the street. So you can actually sit and enjoy a coffee outside with friends, colleagues, or relatives in a socially distanced environment. Whereas Beloved Maru on Hillhurst, no seeding. Not even a symbol of seeding. So Gobin and Tiger helps support your super spreader energy. Yes, they're a sponsor of my super spreader campaign. Speaking of that, down in San Diego, there are no rules. Are people not wearing masks in San Diego? Definitely not wearing masks. Well, it depends on the area that you're in. The area that I'm in is cuck rich people. And Alicia Keys. But if you go down to Pacific Beach, which is really like the Huntington Beach of San Diego, it's like, I mean, it's as bad as it can get. Like the video of the guy ripping his mask off because he was so pissed that he had to wear it. That's San Diego. It's just a bunch of people like that, except they don't have shoes on.

i mean arguably cooler i don't know i think going shoeless lets people know how you feel whether you have a mask on or not the amount of shoeless people walking around on the asphalt the sidewalk cali vibes bro it's i know it's cali vibes and i've grown up with it my whole life but in san diego it is a full it's a it's a quadruple shot of of shoeless bros walking barefoot black black heels onto the onto the asphalt onto the sidewalk and the gutters like it's fucking wild well i mean and this used to be a thing that happened all the time like back in the 70s 60s or whatever it was very normal yeah shoes are for losers i i actually you know when i was in malibu a couple weeks well i was on the pch um after going to erewan palisades i did see A group of regular ass chicks, like project manager types, like walking. Damn, every person that is a project manager that listens to this show is right now is like. They know. Project management. Like walking on the sidewalk barefoot in bikinis. No cover up, no t-shirt. And I'm just like, you need to respect yourself a little more. This is crazy. I mean, obviously the Palisades keep the sidewalks clean, but still, you never know. You never know, bro. Well, today, actually, Hunter, my trainer, we started at 7 a.m. today, which is really tough, even though I'm an early riser. But he was having me do some barefoot foot exercises to strengthen my ankles. And I had to take my shoes off in a public park. Luckily, we have a mat. But this is hitting close to home for me right now. Yeah, I think doing a lot of exercises barefoot really increases that. All those stability muscles that you're using to hold yourself up were the 4%. shoes would do that job for you i fuck the four percents we're still we're still check over stripe but i had to send those things back and then i texted my friend that's the habanero salsa you you thought you could handle the heat but you did not handle it back i texted my friend tom last night the the proprietor you know co-owner of district vision known distance runner and i was like bro i got the four percents they really hurt my legs is it is it am i just a pussy

Wait, did you just do a haiku? No, but it sounds like it. And then he said, yes, you were a pussy. And then we just continued talking and we did not discuss the shoes anymore. So I guess. No further questions, your honor. Yes, it was a very no further questions, your honor moment. So I guess I am a pussy, but I'm okay with that because I can't risk injury. But when this known distance runner confirmed that you are, in fact, a pussy, you couldn't have been that surprised to hear his answer. Not surprised at all. In fact, it was more of a confirmation than a question answered. You know what I'm saying? That's how I would look at it. You would have to stop for a second if he said no. Exactly. That would be more troubling, concerning, and question arising, I think. We do have a guest today, TJ. Lane Florsheim. Lane Florsheim is her name. She is a writer at the Wall Street Journal, and she is manning up a series about Monday morning routines that I quite like. Yeah, people be loving routines, don't they? Well, because I think it's really a window into how crazy people are. Or crazy productive people, Chris. But I think they're lying, and that's what I want to ask her about. She just did a great story profiling Patti Smith. It was one of the Monday things, though. It's just that deep. Sometimes the Monday thing is doing a little story on somebody regs. And then somebody, you know, it's a Patti Smith where it gets a lot of buzz, especially in your circles of the New York literary elite. Well, Patti Smith also, I mean, now just kids is like made fun of, which I also want to ask a lot about. But yeah, so, you know, people like Patti Smith, Elle Fanning, Brunello Cuccinelli, OBJ. So I think it's just an interesting, it goes kind of all across. Pamela Anderson. She also wrote a cool story about the new startup revolution of the window AC unit.

which as a New Yorker is something that has needed disruption more than maybe any other industry I can think of. Yeah, and I really thought that. Like, damn, really nobody has made a wall, a window unit that does not look terrible in the history of... I also am curious to ask her if she has a login for wallstreetjournal.com that I could borrow real quick just to hold. We should... I'm in between, you know... I'm in between stimby checks, baby. Let me get a little. Let me hold that log in just for the weekend. All right. Let's give her a call. All right. This episode of How Long Gone has brought to you by Quince. Jason, the temps are warming up. It's getting hot out there. Summer always changes how I get dressed. I need pieces that feel lighter, more breathable. And they're just easy, but still put together. I don't want to look like a slob. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. They focus on high-quality essentials that feel and look amazing. Breathable linen and soft organic cottons. Well-made basics, but without the luxury markups. That rare balance where everything feels elevated. but still effortless. Yeah, Chris, linen season is here. I wore a linen blazer to dinner a few nights ago in the warm California sun. But, you know, you got that Italy trip coming up this summer and quality European linen pants and shirts. Upgrade that look starting at just $34. You know, if you get a nice linen suit, a little t-shirt underneath it, some chill shoes, you're looking good, but you're staying cool. The inside of your special areas are nice and dry as you turn up with your besties. So elevate that summer wardrobe. Go to quince.com slash how long for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns, even on a nice holiday now available in Canada. That is Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash how long. That'll get you free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince punto com slash how long. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Squarespace. Obviously, Jason, you and I spend a lot of time on the World Wide Web. So do our peers, our listeners, our friends, our colleagues, maybe even your parents if they're freaky. And if you're doing anything in the world.

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How long taskers book up faster, especially for same day tasks. So book trusted home help today. That is $15 off your first task using promo code how long with the TaskRabbit app or at TaskRabbit.com. Where the fuck are you? Are you a woman of the woods right now? Right now I am. Yeah, I'm in the Mount Hood area in Oregon right now. Are you reconnecting with your roots or just exploring this beautiful country? You know, it's funny. Also, wait, sorry. Is this being recorded? Yeah, of course. Okay. All right. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm new to this. I've never potted before. This is your first pod? It's my first pod. This is the best entree to the genre. Let me just say that. With no ego, I'm just saying. Right. Objectively speaking. You know how Chris operates with no ego? That's kind of my thing. Really egoless, kind of like, you know, all people are equal, you know. Uh, anyway, so what's going on in the woods? Right. So, um, like back in May, my, one of my good friends and I planned this trip, um, for August when we thought that like, surely the pandemic would be a bit more contained. Um, and it's been, you know, a bit of the opposite, but what we've been doing is we drove out West from Chicago, Milwaukee. And we've been doing Airbnbs and working remotely during the week and then camping in the national parks on the weekends. So it's been... Wow, we have a real adventure bay on our hands here. I didn't know riders made that much money, first of all. Because that sounds pretty nice. I mean, listen, Airbnbs out west, you know, in the areas that we're staying in, which are pretty in the middle of nowhere, pretty reasonably priced. Are we talking sub $100 a night? Per person, yeah. Okay, okay. How many people are in your quarantine group, your super spreader pod? It's just me and one other friend right now.

Okay, so this is small. So everyone else has perished, is what you're saying? Much like the Oregon... So you are on the Oregon Trail. Yeah, COVID is dysentery. Yeah, dysentery. Novel virus has been taken. My ox fucking got COVID. Sorry. That sounds pretty fun. But are you able to concentrate and get your work done? Or is the outside calling you when you look out the window? Chris, is that your... Audio of an ambulance? It's my audio of an ambulance. Damn, I thought you was in the woods. Yeah, you know, this Airbnb is actually just off a highway. So you get those beautiful nature sounds. No, I've been able to concentrate just fine. We had one Airbnb where the Wi-Fi was not as good. So that was a little bit frustrating for Zooms and whatnot. I don't know. Deadlines are deadlines. Damn. Spoken like a true fucking pro. Deadlines are deadlines. Much like getting a fire started for supper. It's just got to get done. Are you using a magnifying glass to start fires and stuff? How rustic are we going? Walk us through your level of survivalist skill. Exactly. I mean, I would say that camping on the weekends has certainly been an adjustment for two women who have been living in New York for seven, eight years at this point. Well, hold on. Did you grow up camping? Are you like an outdoors person? Well, so something that I've been thinking about is can you have imposter syndrome if you're actually an imposter? Because I led. camping trips for pre-orientation in college for freshmen and i was like pretty i was i was certainly not qualified to do that um but i do so i do have some background in this um and we've kind of upgraded our setup from what i experienced in college which was Really bare bones. My number one tip to any city dweller who is thinking about... Please bless us. No, no, no. This podcast is the only city dwellers, I hope. Yeah. If you're ever thinking about getting a camping, my number one recommendation is the camping cot. It's...

$50. It's like the best $50 I've ever spent. Damn, is this the strategist right now? Yeah, wait, hold on. Why are you stealing my swag? So you're saying that it prevents you from sleeping on the ground. Exactly, exactly. It's like the bed version of a camping chair. And it's good for selfies as well. Is that true? I haven't experimented with that yet. If you want to post some chillax content. If you want to show people how cool and chill the woods are. Well, you know, I feel like people can spend quite a lot of money on cool camping gear. So did you splash out on any Snowpeak titanium mugs or anything? Or are you keeping it pretty REI? Pretty REI. We actually... I like that in this scenario, REI is for poor people. No, I don't do that. I just, you know, there's levels to everything, guys. That's true. No, um, we, we were, we were kind of, we were doing our research and we were thinking about investing in a tent. And then I found one in my parents' basement, um, that is like two decades old. It was purchased for my brother's, um, sixth birthday and he's now 27. Um, and it's like this huge, you got a SpongeBob tent. No, it's, it's this huge LL bean, uh, kind of messy smelling. It's, um, It's like a six-person tent, and it's really, really tall, which is good for the cots. I feel like you've got this – honestly, the way you're talking about this with such casual confidence, I think I would let you lead me into the woods, honestly. I think it's fine. Yeah. I think you've regained – you could gain the trust of college students in [redacted address] you did, the way you captured their imaginations previously. I think I could be a wilderness leader for city dwellers. I mean – I think that's a low bar, but I agree with you. I'm not aiming high. I feel good about it. We have a rug that we put in the tent. Twinkly lights? I think we're talking about Jason's favorite thing, which is glamping. I know somebody who made the best twinkly lights of all. His name's Jesus Christ. Why don't you look up into the sky when you're camping and see the greatest light show ever created by man? That's right. The Big Dipper was no mistake. That is...

And also, Lane, it is Virgo season, as you know, right? Oh, I know. Has Virgo season hit the woods of Oregon yet, or is it kind of a slow rollout? No, I'm feeling it. Okay. Thank God. It's not just because you're on the phone getting... Unfortunate amounts of conversation from two Virgo kings. No, I mean, it's an honor. When are the big days? That's true. Have you guys, but have you stopped in cities too? Like are the Airbnbs in cities usually and then you go to the woods for the weekend? You know, they're outside of cities for the most part. We stopped in Portland on our way here. To join the resistance or just check it out and have like a vegan bowl? Literally the latter. We got, like, pick up from a Thai place. It was delicious. But such cute houses in Portland. Not anymore. No, I can report and confirm that. The ones that aren't on fire look pretty cute. I've never been to Portland. Do you think I would like it as a person? Fuck no. Chris, I don't know you well enough to start recommending City. Actually, Lane, that makes me wonder. What do you know about Chris Black? How much do you know about him? How well versed are you on the Book of Black? I mean, where do I begin? If I were to give you a test, a pop quiz hotshot on Chris Black, what would you get? B minus? C plus? Should we try? I can't think of anything right now. You're not ready to administer this test. I can't just pop it out of my ass like that. I need time. We were discussing your career in our little intro. I'm a big fan of the, I mean, part of the reason we asked you to be on the show is because I'm a big fan of the Monday morning. Thank you so much. Series that you do, because I think that we are obsessed as a culture with like routines.

And like efficiency and all of this stuff that we hear from these CEOs and people in power, people that we look to. Well, Chris, I do think that our first interaction on Twitter was that I had tweeted the interview that I did with Jeffrey Katzenberg. And you quote tweeted it and said something about how much you hate articles that glorify CEOs who wake up at 2 or 3 a.m. And then the rest of the day, I just had men. yelling at me in my mentions and i was like i don't know if you're angry at me or if you're just angry or i lane lane we're gonna get along just fine sweetie i could tell already as a member look as a member of of you know hollywood uh we we don't we don't love katzenberg you know what i mean so it's a little bit it has nothing to do with you and everything to do with jeffrey and his boat we do that we do not stand jeff big cat Katzenberg on this podcast. None of my homies fuck with Quibi, as you can probably imagine. Do you think when people like that really say they get up at 3 a.m. and do all that shit, do you believe them? Are they that psycho, or do you think they're embellishing a little bit for their own mystique? I think in the case of Jeffrey Katzenberg, I absolutely believe him. He was having three breakfast meetings a morning before the pandemic hit. God, that is cool. I'm having three breakfast burritos. Thank you. When you hear something like that, though, see, I think it affects people in different ways, right? I think some people are like, fuck that. Who cares? And other people are like, why can't I do that? Why can't I be that? Why can't I be that on top of my shit? I think I fall somewhere in the middle. So where do you fall? Well, I absolutely don't aspire to wake up at 2 a.m. or 3 a.m. I aspire to hit doze or snooze. in order to doze less than nine times in a morning. You hit the snooze button so you can doze. Do you have a Samsung phone? I don't know if they have a doze feature. Android is different. Jason and I both get up early. Sometimes Jason and I communicate about this podcast at 6 a.m. Tell me about your Monday morning.

Well, see, that's the other thing. Why Monday? She's fallen into your trap, Chris. No, all mornings are the same. No, unless this is in print, we don't care. All mornings are the same to me because I think because I work for myself, it kind of runs together in a way, whereas I don't really have anywhere to go. And your sobriety probably plays into that because there's no like, oh, well, I was hungover yesterday, so this changed my life drastically. You're Groundhog's Day in sober life. I'm very much a proponent of all days are the same, whether I'm right or wrong. As well as no days off. No days off also. Yeah, I mean, the main part of any routine is exercise, I would say, and coffee. I don't know what else goes into a routine, really. Jason, that's your routine. Well, I mean, yeah, exercise and coffee, but also maybe some writing, maybe some email checking, maybe some gardening, whatever. people have to do, you know, obviously swimming laps in the pool, et cetera, et cetera. Like Patti Smith waking up at seven o'clock. That's really reasonable. I agree. Considering how old she is. Yeah. That's cool. And like normal, you know what I mean? I was like her, her whole thing was pretty normal to me in an approachable way. I really liked hers. I found it like, I don't know. I hate using the word inspiring, but I found it kind of inspiring. I, I like the idea of having like three hours that you devote to like, reading research and writing even if you don't necessarily like crank out thousands of words yeah the pressure to crank out thousands of words you know something i don't succumb to either uh because i don't think it's possible right for me but writers love to talk about the pains of writing that's one of the biggest twitter tropes you know I said run the computer all day. I didn't get any words out. I get it, guys. I know it's a hard job. You're literally, you know, it's not manual labor. I can't feel that bad for you. I mean, you're a writer, are you not? No? Yeah, but like a fake one. Got it. I'm not like working on a novel. You know what I mean? I'm glad that you were talking about imposter syndrome earlier, Lane, because it sounds like we got one right here, don't we?

I just, there's two things that I respect writing and photography are two things that I respect too much to every, I can dabble for the rest of my life, but I would never claim allegiance. It's not fair to the people that have dedicated their lives to it. You know, do you want to write a book? Um, you know, I actually, I took this catapult class. Um, catapult is, um, both an independent publisher and then they also have all these writing classes. Well, they've always been a combination of in-person and online. And so I think they were ready for this pandemic, I guess, in the full switch to online. But I actually took an online class, I think last fall. I mean, time is really weird right now, but it was called 40,000 Words in... What was it called? 40,000 Words in... It wasn't four weeks. 40,000 Words in 40 Days. That's what it was. And the idea was to crank out a novel. for people who just didn't have a lot of time like the class met 9 30 to 11 on Tuesday nights I think um really late as fuck you're getting out of class at 11 p.m well you're in the comfort of your living room okay fair okay good point continue sorry yeah so I don't I've always um I've always like dabbled in fiction outside of work I guess and so I was like I want to do this and I want to try to crank out a novel and I did and then I did the you know like the the drawer treatment, except I don't have any free drawers. So I put the manuscript under my bed and I took it out a couple of months later and I was like, this is so bad. Come on. Was it actually that bad? Was it like unreadable or you were just a little embarrassed? Somewhere in between on that spectrum, I would say. I mean, I read, I can't remember if it was like a quote or a tweet or something, but someone probably tweeted about how you should never. write creatively to process your own, I mean, trauma is too strong a word for what I was doing, but I was like, oh, I was writing this to process kind of like my first year in New York and coming to New York and no one should ever have to read that. So that's kind of where I landed with that first attempt. Was it cathartic to get it out though? Like, did you feel better just having done it?

Like from an accomplishment standpoint? Yeah, absolutely. And it's nice to know like I am capable of writing a short novel in a pretty short amount of time. I'm impressed. So Jason put me on to morning pages. Are you familiar with that practice? I'm not. Well, is it just writing pages in the morning? Well, you know, don't simplify that. She cracked the code. Is it the artist's way? Yeah, exactly. I can't do that all the time, but I found it very helpful when I was going through something difficult. I wish I could do it all the time, but I just don't have the discipline for it. I just don't have the discipline for it. That Twitter just starts calling. You really have to make sure that you don't look at your phone, your Instagram, your Twitter, any of that, your emails, because as soon as you do that, as soon as it gets its claws into you in the morning, You're pretty helpless. So that's how I got to do it. Lane, what's your screen time looking like? Like how bad? How much are we on the phone? How much are we on the computer? Are you as bad as we are? How bad are you? Very bad. Numbers? I'm at around four hours a day. I'm looking at eight. Eight. Eight hours. Eight. That's not including computer, but sometimes because I'm a real one, I'm doing both. I'm toggling between the MacBook Air. Do you use the cloud to do that? No, I don't. Are you a heavy phone user or are you able to disconnect? I feel like you're in the woods, so you might be able to disconnect. I'm fluctuating wildly right now. I had a screen time a couple weeks ago that I was just so proud of, which was 22 minutes a week. What the fuck? But I'm back to my, like, well, I didn't have service for, like, four days or something. Thank you for leveling up. Actually, I didn't have the internet, so my screen time was really down. Right. Well, 22, I don't know. That's impressive. But I'm back to, like, my usual two to four, I would say. Two to four is really good, though. That's very good. That's as low as I could imagine.

I don't, you know, I'm really anti-digital detox. Like I just don't really know what I would do with myself, which is bad, but honest. Now, does your setting, is your setting affecting your, like the pull to be on the computer? Do you feel yourself like detaching naturally? Well, you know, I'm actually kind of, you know, speaking of Monday morning and routine, I think I'm on kind of like the most aspirational schedule I've ever been on right now because I'm still on East Coast time. So I'm waking up at like between 5.15 and 6.30 and then my workday is from 7 to 3. And I'm very much just on my computer like normal during the workday. But then it's, you know, kind of over around 3 or 4. So I am able to just... Start smoking weed. Exactly. That is cool. Are you a weed smoker yourself? Am I a weed smoker? I mean, I feel like when you're out here from New York, you have to go to the dispensaries as like, you know, cultural, anthropological. A rite of passage. Even just for something to do that afternoon. Exactly. But I like... like having half a gummy before I go to bed. I think it's a really nice sleep aid. Very conservative of you. I appreciate that measured response. Jason's out here. Jason's out here gone off the pre-roll. So he's, he's not the guy to talk to. Big ones. Big doinks. Where do you, where do you, you're both in LA, right? I'm, I am in LA. We're both LA people. Yeah. I live in New York though. So I am also on, I am also living that East coast time, West coast life. I love, I feel that it's making me feel like Katzenberg without them. Yeah. Right. Thankfully more hair. But, but I, I just, yeah. Well, hey, look, it's changed by choice, okay? Also, I'm backlit. Don't judge me on backlit. That's not fair, okay? No, no, I appreciate you joining me for this visual video FaceTime experience. But I do think that the time outside of the city, because were you there for most of the pandemic? You know, actually, no. I was at my parents' house in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for four and a half months from March until then.

July. I bet it was time to fucking go. No shots, no shots, Mr. and Miss, but I mean, that's a long time. Well, I mean, like I said, we planned this trip in May, so. Shit. Well, I think we need to talk about your first year in New York because it sounds like it was really something for you. I don't know if we do need to talk about that. Did you come straight from Wisconsin or where'd you go to school? No, I went to Tufts. So I was in Boston area for four years. The trauma of living in Boston, I would have to write a whole novel about that, probably. I like Boston for college. Boston trauma sounds like a medical TV show. It does. Well, Boston for college is the only reason anybody ever lives there. So I guess you would like it because you're surrounded by your... Unless you like beating up minorities. That's another popular thing in Boston. But I feel like going to school there is good because everybody your age, everybody's in school at the same time, right? No, totally. Like my best friend from high school went to BC. So I would like go and watch football games and sports there. And, you know, that was, you know, that wasn't really Tufts thing. And I don't mean to point fingers, but it's a little nerdy, right? Sure. Yeah. Yeah, known for the international relations undergraduate degree in graduate school. So I think that's fair. Okay, well, thank you for being involved with me on that. Are you, and you came to New York to write, or did you have another career path? You know, I did come to New York to write. I think, again, I had an interesting start in that. career path, which was I had interned at Glamour the summer before when I was still a college student. And my like best mentor friend, Meredith from Glamour said, I'm leaving Glamour. I'm, I'm going to this new site. It doesn't even have a name yet, but come with me, join for the summer, write about like politics and current events while you look for a job. And that unnamed site was Bustle.

A big bustle digital group. Yeah, but that's when they were in their little Williamsburg townhouse. It was such a roller coaster as sort of like a first fellowship slash job. Do you have any Brian stories that you want to share on the pod? Who's Brian, Chris, for those of us who might not know? Brian is the eccentric. proprietor of Bustle Digital Group. And Bustle Digital Group is basically buying websites and magazines, right, Lane? There's no other way to put it. Right. I mean, they just buy W. Or like partially. They've partnered with Sarah and a group Sarah put together to buy W and create like a new. media venture with that but but he owns zoe report which is my favorite of the of the portfolio obviously yeah i think nylon's my favorite of the portfolio do you think i could see i think nylon actually could come back yeah no i mean i say that because it was the magazine that i just loved so much um in high school in addition to jane and We're big Corey Kennedy fans on this podcast as well. No one's putting Corey Kennedy on the cover except nylon and its prime. Maybe paper. Yeah, maybe paper. So you worked at Muscle Digital Group when it was what exactly? What were they doing? It was just an interesting first experience because when I started, the site was in beta. No one was reading it. I would occasionally send articles I was proud of to my friends and family. And then I can't remember what the exact order was, but then there was both that huge New Yorker story by Lizzie Wiedekom. And then there was Brian's announcement of Bustle where he said, you know, I'm paraphrasing, but he said something along the lines of like, for the first time, women will be able to read about, you know, mascara and eyeliner next to, you know, great political coverage. And that really, you know, set the internet on fire that day. Yeah. That's not the best. Yeah. So I went from like, it went from like total obscurity to just like, you know, it was the topic of the day a couple of times on Twitter and, you know.

I was just kind of sitting there being like, I'm never going to break through in media. No one will take me seriously. And then after that, I went to Chris Hughes' New Republic for a year as a production assistant and office manager. So those were just interesting back-to-back experiences. Well, the New Republic is quite serious, I would imagine. Yeah. Well, yeah, right. Speaking of quite serious lane... Being a journalist now in 2020, how does it feel to know that people out there can contact you, send you emails, find out where you might live, get your information if you've written something that might piss somebody off? I mean, I get just such lovely reader emails. I didn't even think. I mean, I know you write about... kinds of subjects, but what do you see the most unfortunate feedback on? I think just my Monday morning subjects. It really annoys people sometimes when we choose to highlight certain people. I also do genuinely get actually lovely emails from readers too, but the ratio is... I feel like it's a scary time, honestly. I have so many friends who've gotten doxxed for like... I'm sure you saw the story about the woman who wrote the Pitchfork Taylor Swift review and she got doxed for giving her an eight, which is amazing. It is funny, but it was like her parents' address and shit. It is a little dark because I see no reason why it won't keep progressing to be more and more extreme to where something worse than a dox would happen to somebody for just writing a... an 8.0 review about an album. Just don't, if you don't do it, don't do a Monday morning on Nicki Minaj and you should be safe. I don't know if she was, now do you guys, you know, like Supreme, which I'm sure you're familiar with, you know, they always, they, they, they kind of do these photographs, put them on t-shirts of different people. And I know that they keep like a running list of, of like a working list that everybody adds to and takes away from. So like, that's why you're going to see.

Cat Williams, Mobb Deep, Lady Gaga, you know, it's a very, it's a wide range. Do you guys keep like a running list for the Monday morning or is it like whoever comes to you, whoever comes to your mind and you just work to get in touch with them? You know, it's such a mix. I come up with pitch lists. I get pitched people. And then it can also just be like a really good offer if someone's being pitched to us in a general way where it's not necessarily a fit. Have there been any people that you really wanted to get on, but Wall Street Journal was like, no, bro. We can't do it. They're pretty reasonable, I'm sure. I would love for you to come with a left field, but Christine from Selling Sunset has said yes, or she said no, or where do we stand on that one? I've got to watch that show. I haven't seen it. What do you mean you haven't seen it? I mean, one thing I really dropped off on during this trip is I'm just not watching TV or movies right now. Got to come back to that. Not even from the Criterion Collection? You know, I am a member. I'm excited about my membership. But no, not even from the Criterion Collection. Look, Selling Sunset is absolutely garbage. But that's what makes it so special. But I don't know why exactly. I mean, you're talking to like a major Love Island fan. So I don't I don't need the highbrow. I have to say Love Island surprising from you. I was not expecting. Why? I don't know. You just don't you seem like smarter than that. Exactly. Yes. Let me I could have I could have beat her in the bush. But you seem a little like we seem dumb. So when we tell you what we like, it's not surprising to you. But. I love reality TV and I grew up with it. Love Island. Why is Love Island so fascinating? Are you an Anglophile as well? No, I wouldn't say that. We all like to laugh and make fun of different people.

of all different types and you know love island really hits for a lot of people i know no i get it i i um really really got into i think it was season five was just an amazing mix of personalities um and i still follow i love following um the couple molly may and tommy from that season because they're just i i could really go down a rabbit hole Yeah, I want to hear more. What do you mean follow them? Like on social media? On social media and their relationship. And I mean, I tried to when I was home in Wisconsin, I tried to show my family this YouTube video because I thought it was just like funny and dark. But they they adopted this dog from Russia and the dog ended up. dying within days and their fans were so mad at them i think for or i don't know if it was their fans or like animal rights people for adopting a specialized kind of dog from russia instead of you know getting a shelter dog and sure then the dog died i mean it was you know it was one of those like now classic um youtube social media pylons This couple has a popular YouTube channel as well as Instagram. I think they've done really well with their Love Island fame, from what I can tell. You know, I think from a career standpoint, they've done a great job, really. Absolutely. No, but I mean, just talking about the show generally, I think that I like it because, I mean, I've never gotten into The Bachelor because the concept, and I'm sure I would if I watched it now, but the concept of like 20 plus women or men vying for one person doesn't seem... realistic to me not that love island necessarily seems realistic to me but i like i like that it's people pairing up and sort of like choosing each like each other and yeah no it does feel i agree that it feels more natural than than the bachelor but the bachelor i i lost interest in stuff like that too i can't really watch that anymore right it's just kind of boring um but

20 people vying for someone's love, that was something that was more realistic of Jason in his 20s. So he can relate a little more than we can maybe. No, no, no, no. They vie for me, baby. They vie for me? But I feel like The Bachelor is losing steam. I feel like Bachelor Nation is waning and there's other things. There's too much reality TV. There is. But did you watch The Real World and stuff like that growing up? You know, I actually grew up without cable. So TV has been kind of a whole new world to me since college. Did you grow up without cable for a cool reason or a not so cool reason? You know, just not wanting to watch too much TV and commercials, I think, was my parents thinking, but it wasn't. So it is a cool reason. Are your parents like Bernie, like college educators maybe? Are they what? Are they like Bernie supporting maybe like professors? No. They're not. Okay. I was just a guess. I was just a guess. I don't know. My parents didn't sit me in front of the TV, but we were allowed to watch it. Like, you know what I mean? It wasn't like a babysitter, which I think some people were in that era. No. And I mean, we definitely watched movies and whatnot growing up, but we were never a big TV family. So were you going to get TV to what? You were like in college? Like really? Well, I actually, I sort of discovered like TV streaming. on my laptop in high school, and I would just sit in the basement when I was sensibly doing homework, watching Heroes and Lost, and those were my introductions. Wow, what an era of TV. I totally forgot about Lost. Did you watch that, Jason? Negative. Same, bro. I did not watch that, but that was a hit. Who was on Heroes? Oh, it was Milo and Hayden Pantier? Exactly. Speaking of TV back then, Lane, your name kind of reminds me of a Mad Men character. Could you walk me through your name? Well, there was one named Lane. There was, but not the same last name. I wouldn't say a peculiar name, but it's intriguing me. Do you have any information on it?

Sure. My parents' names are Jennifer and Tom, and they bought a big book of unique baby names, and that's how they found my name. My brother's name is Forrest, with two R's. Damn, that's crazy. He was born before Forrest Gump came out, but shortly before, so everyone sort of thought he was named after Forrest Gump, which is not the case. And then my sister's name is Grace, so slightly less unique. It's a cool name. I don't know if I know any female Laynes. Yeah, I don't think I do either, actually, now that you say that. So, Lane, do you have a personal fascination with routines yourself, or is it something that you just kind of fell into when you were writing these stories? I would say I more fell into it. I've always enjoyed reading other routine columns. I think they can be kind of weirdly fascinating. I don't definitely, I would not want to say like, we got lucky with the pandemic, but I think a Monday morning routine column was always something that was well-designed for journal readers. I mean, I, you know, I work at the magazine, but all of our stuff is on the Wall Street Journal's website. And so that always made sense. But I think that just with the pandemic happening and everyone's routine shifting so much. I think maybe people have been a bit more real, a bit more vulnerable in the column. And I think, I don't know, it's just, it's more. And maybe a bit more interested in even writing, agreeing to do it in the first place. Totally. Yeah, 100%. Are you doing it via FaceTime? Are you doing all the phone? Were you doing it in person pre-COVID? I did one or two in person pre-COVID. I would say they're like 98%. just phone interviews. Graydon Carter wanted to do a zoom. Um, so that was lovely. How did his hair look? So good. God, my kid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who did you do? Who did you do in person? Did he talk about being on the Epstein flights at all during that?

Yeah, that was one of the first things we talked about. Monday morning, you get on Epstein's plane. Where do we go from there? My Lolita routine. Yeah, who did you see in person? Who did you do with in person? I interviewed Elise from Goop in person. Former guest of this podcast. Oh, no way. Yes, friend of the show. Believe it or not. No, she's lovely. I'm trying to think. That might have actually been the only in-person one. It launched in January, so we only got six or something. Oh, you know what? Tina Knowles-Larson was also in person. Damn, you met Miss Tina? I did. I did. Shit, that's big. Where were you? We were at, oh man, I'm completely blanking on the real official name of this conference, but we were at, maybe it was a Slow Factory Sustainability and Fashion Conference. So that's where. Oh, so you didn't get to go to the crib or anything in Houston. No, no, no. I was thinking maybe. No, they didn't fly me down for our routine column. I think conferences, we saw the boom. Now, I don't know if it'll ever come back. I think it absolutely will. I think conferences were just getting started. Really? Yeah. People who aren't cool or who don't have access to things, they will happily pay money to have that. I don't think I've ever actually been to one, though, now that I think about it. Well, you're going to have to go to ComplexCon virtually this year. That's going to change the experience. I take that back. I went to GoopCon. Oh, in Goop Health? I went to Goop Health and I wrote about it. Wait, that's what it was called? Yeah. Honestly, no exaggeration. It was incredible. It was so fun. What did you do? Well, I've talked about this a lot, but there's three main categories. I saw Gwyneth Paltrow, my queen, IRL, and she looked incredible. When you said saw, does that just mean like from across the room? She addressed the attendees, and I'm not exaggerating where I think my friend and I were the only straight males there. So I think we did stand out in a way that was maybe negative. In a way that made you think that you might have a chance with Gwyneth Paltrow?

I mean, I'm never going to say I don't have a chance with her. You know what I mean? But yeah, you have to keep a positive attitude. Was this 2019? No, this was 2018, I think. My friend made vegan ice cream for her for the conference. So he got us passes. And then I was like, let me write about it. And then I got a B12 shot in my ass in the middle. You have to pull your pants down in the middle of the thing. Like a Barney's Warehouse sale. Exactly. Yeah. I was trying on some Combed Agarstone pants at the Barney's Warehouse sale. There's no time for a room. I got a facial massage, which I don't know if you've done that before, but highly recommended. It was incredible. Have you done that before? That sounds nice. No, I don't think so. I've only had that on ecstasy. Asking your friend to do it with water doesn't count. But basically, I guess they opened a bunch of them now, but it's called Face Gym. Which I think is a horrible name. It sounds really scary. It sounds like a sex move. I guess you guys are more into gyms than I am. Go on, sorry. Thank you. Thank you for noticing. It was really fun, and I think that her power over those women was insane to watch. It was truly cult-like shit. Well, I went the following year and also wrote about it. And that is kind of the conclusion that I came to. Like the price that you pay for that conference is like to have sort of access to Gwyneth, who is just like walking around and getting her ear pierced with Apple. And she's there. She's hanging. There's two people that I've seen in my life that really were like, wow, I can't. Truly that celebrity glow that you hear about that is like so mythical. See, I think so many of them have it. Go on. Who are your two? Paris Hilton in 2007. It was incredible. I've never seen anything like it. And Gwyneth Paltrow. Blonde queens. And actually, you know what? We did TRL. I used to manage a band and we did TRL. And what's her name? Ryan Gosling's wife. Oh.

Eva? Eva Mendes, she looked insane. It was incredible. And she spoke to us too, which I think went pretty far. Chris, any dudes in this list? Or is it all just blonde women? Eva Mendes isn't blonde, first of all. Okay, sorry. No, men don't glow. Maybe Brad Pitt does. I've never met Brad Pitt. Men glow. Men be glow. One time I saw Prince at Soho House. Oh, baby. That may, I mean. Who are your top celebrity glowers, Lane, if you're going to question mine? No, I just mean, I don't know. I think most celebrities... You like celebs? Name five that glow. I mean, I think most of them have like some sort of like maybe not literally glowing, but I think many of the ones that I have met have just sort of this presence that is different from us mortals. You know, I think that's called arrogance. Yeah. Call it what you want. Yeah. I mean, but I also think there's something to be said, like, you know, when. I met disgraced former president Bill Clinton with Jason. Actually, there's an incredible iconic photo of me with Bill Clinton outside of ABCV. But Bill Clinton, that motherfucker looked like a corpse. But he was he was he was a swaggy corpse, swaggy corpse. Exactly. He was very his the persona was bigger than his his aging body. Yeah. And I do think that that is something you have to cultivate. But also, I think celebrities. And you probably know this from interviewing them. They know what they're doing. They know the power they wield. And they know how to use it or abuse it, unfortunately. Well, if they want you to feel, you know, if they want to charm you in most cases, I feel like they can. Totally. Yeah, charm the pants right off of you. Yeah, no. I think my favorite...

Celebrity Sardines. Not, you know, kind of in that old older men category. Maybe of all time was Sir Anthony Hopkins. I'm such a fan. That's a good one. Where were you? I was on my way to meet my parents at the Crosby Street Hotel, like whatever that restaurant lounge kind of is. And my mom was like, hurry up. Sir Anthony is here. Well, that hotel is very popular with British celebrities. I didn't know that. Yeah, I used to hang out there sometimes. That's a black tip. Yeah, it's a Chris Black Soho tip. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. But that's a pretty good one. Lane, you were talking about your very small screen time. I like to stare at the screen usually with anxiety or procrastination or whatever. Do you find yourself having new solutions for when you're anxious out there in the woods? You know, I have been so much less anxious out here in the woods. I think that... How long did it take? It was pretty instantaneous. I mean, I think there's science behind it. I read an article about forest bathing earlier this year. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Forest bathing? Can you define the term, please? Forest bathing. It really just means getting into nature at various levels. There's no water or actual tubs involved. I mean, I think sometimes for the more serious, it can involve sort of like gravitating towards a specific tree and kind of like forming a bond with that tree. Damn. Yeah. But I think in a more casual sense, it can mean just being in nature and nature walks, et cetera. But I think there's some, I mean, I... do not want to make any scientific claims, but I think there is science. I want you to speculate heavily, please.

I think there have been studies that show that just being around trees and the chemicals that they emit does have a calming effect. And I have definitely 100% experienced that. So you have been taking mushrooms is what you're saying. Are you doing any earthing out there? The practice of walking around nature without shoes on? No. Maybe you should give that a shot. Have you done that? That's the next step on your journey. I don't really know. Not a little bit, but people have some similar studies about the science behind walking around on dirt, grass, just Mother Nature untouched, unpaved, with bare feet, and then that chemical connection between the planet and your body. That appeals less to me. I was about to say, Jason, did you take ayahuasca this morning? I'm not saying that I do it or practice or believe in it. It's grown in popularity. You've experienced just walking barefoot on fresh cut grass on a dewy morning. There's some magic there. That does bring me back to my youth, actually. Anytime I'm exercising outdoors and I smell fresh-cut grass, I revert to being a chubby seventh-grader forced to play football and go down a deep, deep spiral and have to really mentally lift myself out of that dark hole. And it happens in L.A. a lot more often than it happens in New York. We don't get a lot of fresh-cut grass in New York. I don't know if you guys remember this, but the Gap made a grass cologne. It was really exceptional. I don't know if I remember that. Same. It was really popular. I think somebody could bring that back. We could check eBay for it. It's a scent that I feel like situates a lot of people is what I'm saying. Are you cooking a lot on this trip? Walk us through that breakfast routine, honey. What's going on? One of the things that I took with me from my time in Wisconsin is that my brother is actually a chef.

Um, in LA professional. Yeah. He's, he's, um, been a sous chef at son of a gun, uh, that John and Vinny's restaurant. We're familiar with the John and Vinny's family of restaurants. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I, I got some good tips from both him and my, basically my whole family, except maybe my dad and me are very good at cooking. So I've gotten some tips, like just how to make. Just the basics, though. I'm a sort of cheesy egg person. I'm sorry, did you say I'm a cheesy egg person? I make a really good scrambled cheesy egg at this point. Listen, you guys should not interview me about food or cooking. I'm not hating. It's a blind spot. I just wanted a confirmation on what you had said because it was a cool sentence, that's all. I love this Wisconsin cheese energy, though. Oh, I forgot. Can you tell us about brick cheese? I have never heard of brick cheese. It's a type of cheese that is native to the Wisconsin area. It's popular on the Detroit-style pizza, but it's not really available in America other than in Wisconsin. Damn, I didn't know that. That's really exclusive. Cheesy eggs, you mean just scrambled with some cheese? That's literally what I mean. I mean, my sister does a preparation that she says she got from Emeril, and so I've stolen that from her. I got this shit from Emeril. Lane, can you walk me through your emotional relationship with cheese as a Wisconsin cheese head? You know, this is not something I've ever had to think about before. That's what we do on this podcast. Nobody said this podcast was going to be easy. My relationship with cheese is I try to avoid it at all costs. I have been listening to so many of your guys' podcasts and you have some really interesting food relationships. Are you trying to say that Jason and I are pro-Anna and or have body dysmorphia?

Don't let me into your disorders, Chris. The internet knows that I stay eating good and you run away from flavor, unfortunately. Wait, Lane, please. I need to see a cardiologist and you need to see a psychologist as it pertains to food. Tell us what you've gathered in listening to a few episodes of this podcast. I mean, there is like the riveting bagel cream cheese discourse. Oh, speaking of, that's what I ate for breakfast this morning. A terrible bagel and cream cheese today. Scarfed it down. I've been doing that on this trip as well. That's another one of my specialties. I'm surrounded by psychos. Doesn't it feel good to know that you can eat a bagel and then also not turn obese? That's something that can happen, Chris. Look, I know, but what I'm saying to you guys is I like stuff too much. It's called addiction and I suffer from it. My beloved Oxycontin, if I start eating bagels all the time, then I'm eating bagels all the time. And if you eat them all the time, then it becomes a problem. No, I mean, Chris, I'm completely in that camp right now. I'm treating my body like whatever the opposite of a temple is. I've been eating Pop-Tarts on this trip. What? Yeah. I mean, listen, you don't always have access to food prep, so sometimes you just want to reach for a snack. Exactly. There's always a bottle of water handy. You know what I mean? You just got to fill up on that. Wow. That's so dark. Lane, would you consider this journey that you're on to be a vacation or just like an altering of your life? I mean, I feel like I'm one of those like millennial nomads this month. You know, just those people who travel all the time and get their work done. And I mean, it's definitely not a lifestyle. I'm excited to go back to New York. in early september and be settled again but what do you think though do you think what do you think is going to happen in new york i have my own theories but how long have you lived there seven i moved there in 2013 okay so you've been there and what neighborhood do you live in i've been in the west village for six years or something wow thank god i am so pleased with that answer if you would have said cobble hill i would have hung up the phone

So what do you think is going to happen? Do you think it's going to take a couple years to recover and then it still won't be the same? Or do you think it's going to be a shell for the foreseeable future? You know, I really don't have any predictions. I feel committed to New York and I'm sort of... You can hear the confidence in your voice. You sound very sure of yourself. No, no, no. I'm just more thinking about the next thing that I'm going to say. I think I I'm excited to see what New York will do in the wake of this. I mean, in. Were you guys inspired by Jerry Seinfeld's article about New York? I love when rich people write articles like that. It's amazing. He literally has a building for his cars. You know what I mean? It's like, dude, you can't like, of course, you're fine. I mean, I think a lot of people I'm talking to are telling me it's they're having the time of their lives. Right. In New York. I mean, that's what I'm getting from social media, et cetera. It doesn't look like it's difficult to be there right now. I don't think it is. Even if you are poor? Well, that's a different story. It's always been difficult to be there if you're poor. But I do think that I just feel like for me, LA, the space right now is so nice for me. And I think that if I couldn't exercise outside the way I could, I just don't think it would. feel the same for me with all the rules and restrictions, but I don't know. Are you, are you permanently moving to LA? Is that? No, no, no. I'm just here. And like, there's no reason to go back. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like, it's not that compelling of an argument. And I don't, you know, I don't really love to dine al fresco, which seems to be the main appeal of, of the return. So I don't know. I don't know. I mean, but you're definitely going back after this trip. Yes, I still have to buy my flight, but yes. Oh, so there's still time. I see what you're doing here. You're giving yourself a window. I don't know. I mean, I've never done anything like this. Just, you know, sort of be on the road and be in a new place for over, you know, many weeks. And it's great. What's next after Oregon? We're going to Crater Lake for the weekend. I'm sorry, what? Where's Crater Lake? Oh, I thought you said Crater Lake. Never mind.

Also in Oregon. It's in Oregon. So are you coming to California or are you stopping in Oregon? Our last stop is we're going to go to Tahoe for Labor Day weekend. Damn, this is terrible. Yeah, hell yeah. Pull out the speedboat, baby. This sounds pretty good. So Tahoe is the topper of the trip. It's the end. It is. I mean, Montana's been my absolute favorite so far, but the whole thing's been. Friend of the show, a friend of ours, David Cho, just went to Montana for his birthday today. He was flying to Bozeman direct. Oh, no way. Currently glamping. Glamping. What's the vibe in Montana? Just big sky country? I mean, what I liked about it so much is that so we emerged from Yellowstone. We did a hike in Big Sky. Big Sky is just so beautiful to drive through. We stopped in Bozeman to just sort of like walk around a bit. And that's a neat city. Kind of has like. upstate new york energy maybe um and then we stayed in this crazy earth home in livingston montana for the week um it was So what kind of chai latte do they have there? What is an Earth home? It's a home that's built into the side of the Earth and uses some solar energy. It's a very horizontal space with nice mountain views. And then after Livingston, we were in Glacier National Park for the weekend. So I feel like I saw a lot of different... Oh, and we drove through Missoula, which is maybe not the highlight. Missoula is trash. We all know that. When Lane is talking about her day, yeah, I did this podcast. Not the highlight. What kind of footwear are you wearing? Do you want to see? Well, actually, no, I'm not wearing it. I have two pairs of Birkenstocks and I thought I was wearing my yellow ones, which are more exciting. So I was going to offer to flip the camera, but I'm just wearing my fuzzy black ones right now. Yeah, Birkenstocks running shoes. My hiking boots are in New York, so those did not come in. You didn't bring hiking boots on a trip that's all nature? I found sneakers to be sufficient. Damn, wow. Okay.

I mean, we are not doing humongous. We did a six-mile hike last weekend. No shade. Like I said, wilderness leader for city dwellers. I'm not aiming above my... When did city slicker turn into city dweller? That's my question. Well, it's our woke society. Slicker is probably derogatory in some way. Dweller is very literal. It is. I miss Slicker. That's all I'm saying. Before we go, I also want to discuss the story you wrote about the new air conditioning units. As a longtime New Yorker, this is something I've thought about many times, about how ugly and loud they are. Patty Smith, Schmatty Smith. Let's talk about window air conditioning units, baby. It's honestly so interesting. Which one of the ones that you discovered in your deep research do you think will succeed the most? Great question. What is the Dyson suck of air conditioning window units? Talk down to me on my own podcast. Which one do you like the most? I mean, I think that in terms of the consumer that I normally write for, probably that July window AC. I mean, I'm blanking on the other company's name. July is the cha-cha matcha of window units. 100%. And it's pretty reasonably priced, I feel like. I'm going to buy one ASAP. I don't need it right now, obviously, but I'm going to buy one as soon as I need one. You don't have Central Air at home, Chris? You wish. Elaine does, so doesn't she. No, I am a window AC unit person. Central Air is truly the luxury that I desire the most. It just doesn't really happen in New York too much, though, even for a bomb-ass place. Maybe for Jerry Seinfeld. Yeah, Jerry's cars are air conditioned. No, it happens if you live in a corny new building with an area to hang out with your neighbors. You know what I mean? But you know I'm not going to live in Williamsburg, so I'm good. Yeah, Chris doesn't do common spaces. I hate common spaces. And COVID, it's a good quality to have. Shut up, Jason. Lane, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Lane, did you have any questions for us?

I'm sorry. I forgot. I'm thinking, I mean, I'd be interested to hear your guys' vitamin routines. One question that we, our tests for my Monday morning subjects, we actually call it the vitamin test. And it's like, do I want to know what vitamins this person takes? It's a pretty good test. Do they pass the vitamin test? Our editor-in-chief, Christina O'Neill, came up with that. So I'd love to hear your guys' vitamin routines. Yeah. I take a probiotic, green tea. The new company makes this skin filter that's got some retinol in it that I take. What else? I think it's pretty minimal. Chris, we didn't say drop the skincare routine. That's part of it. I'm sorry. That's part of my vitamin routine. lipospheric like the vitamin C gel that all celebrities take. Of course. I've been using a ladder pre-workout before I get out there and tackle my exercise for the day. This guy went sober and started popping even more pillies. I'm popping pillies. What about you, TJ? I keep it simple with wellness formula. Oh yeah, I take that too. Wellness formula pretty much handles everything. I take one a day just for maintenance and if I feel a little sniffle coming along or if I smoked way too much weed the night before, etc., then I might double up or even triple up. But I haven't, I mean, during COVID, I have not been sick one single time, which is off-brand for me. Knock on wood. I'm literally knocking on wood for you. Thank you so much. There's so much wood where you are. But I also, and then I take just regular vitamin C. I double up, maybe even triple up Joe Rogan style sometimes just to really smash that immunity into the dirt. And then... Maybe some CBD, depending on what came into the mail. I've never heard anyone call CBD a vitamin. Some people don't think marijuana is a vitamin, bro. CBD would be a supplement, perhaps, not a vitamin. That's true. I find that...

green tea a bunch of real runners told me the green tea supplements really helped with um endurance yeah with endurance so i started taking those so after that you are no longer a one minute man is what you're saying exactly going rounds cv going rounds i can do a four and a half minute mile now it's crazy i only had to take three green tea pills um damn i've never impressive i try i try um what vitamins do you take I don't take any vitamins. Hell yeah. Listen, I am not an aspirational person. No, I mean, I think a lot of people would aspire to not take vitamins. Do you like wash your face with soap and shit? I use like moisture towelettes for face washing, especially on the road. So you don't have your Aribay conditioner and shampoo in little bottles? I do actually have a full suite of toiletries that I keep in a box. She says sweet. She's got a sweet. Not a tray, not a bag. It's a box. It's a box, yeah. I love that. I love that. Thank you. All right. Well. Now that you've just really had us reveal all our secrets to our own listeners, it's been a pleasure. And so they can find you by going to thewallshowjournal.com and searching your name. Tell them where to find you on Twitter and Instagram. And again, do hit me with that login when you have a chance, please. Yeah, Jason needs a login. I had to send him PDFs of your stories before the show. So break him off. He's broke. Yo, we don't pay, dog. We ain't paying. I'm Lane Flourish. I'm on Instagram and Twitter. Great. Thank you so much for joining us. Have fun on your journey across this great country. And we'll look for more routines from you every Monday. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Bye. Bye.