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Good afternoon, Chris Black. Oh, what's up, big dog? How you feeling? I'm feeling pretty good. I'm going over on another trip, a little weekender to Sedona AZ to get my third eye all the way wide open. Because I think your third eye right now is just cracked, and we need that shit bust down open. The eye has cracked. The eye has cracked, but it needs to be busted, and I think that that could take TJ to another. I saw you at the tennis court yesterday, and it seemed like you had a few supplies for this third eye opening. Yeah, I have drugs to take out there. And we ain't talking a new can of Wilsons. You know what I'm saying? We aren't talking a new can of Wilsons. We are not talking a quarter ounce of cookies' finest. This is a great package of stems and caps for your boy to take part in. The only thing I'm wondering is, do I do the whole eighth God dose or do I parcel it out over a day or two? I would say, obviously, I mean, this is coming from me. Do it all at once. Because you don't want to have two mediocre highs when you can have one smack dab high. You know what I mean? Yeah, but it's not a problem, but the thing I need to take into consideration is when you're doing that, it's like, it's a real, you know, take my keys. I hope I have, you know, get all my water and supplies. Like, whatever is going to be happening for the next, you know, six hours, I am checked out. I am unavailable for anything. Are you saying that you're not usually checked out for six hours at a time? Because I mean, you know. it doesn't sound like well you know i like to be you know believe it or not i do like to be in control of of the situation i like to know what is happening at all times you know in case there is an emergency of some sort whatever it might be you know we're we're we're the place we're staying at has a pool i don't want to you know get my little ground on

If your big-ass drowns and limits one of my fucking income streams, you're in trouble. Okay? We can't have TJ dying when the bag is finally starting to get delivered. Like, that ain't okay. So if I die from drowning, I'm going to be in big trouble, is what you're saying? Yes, you will be in big trouble. The ones closest to you will be upset, but mostly I will be upset about the bag loss because I couldn't go on without you. Yeah, because you don't know how to turn the recorder on. But it is true. I do have a mouth to feed, and it's pretty much just mine. And this boy, you're a big boy. You like to eat, fam. I do like to eat. That's what the majority of the podcast revenues is going into, is just different top-tier culinary items. That's what it feels like to me. Look, I'm not going to police what you do with your money, but you could probably be a little more responsible. I don't buy. I don't spend my money on clothes. That's all for free. The drip is not for sale. It is for donation. Otherwise, what am I really spending my money on other than bomb-ass meals? I don't even spend my money on natty wine. I literally, Jason, when we were at the cabin over the weekend, I was like, oh, that's a cool fleece. Where did you get it? And Jason literally got it from a dumpster at his neighbor's house. So he's not kidding about the drip being free. The fleece, vintage North Face, was fire. It is not from a dumpster. When we first moved in, my neighbor was having a yard sale because he was moving out. And he had a bunch of dead stock 80s and 90s heat. One of that being a great North Face piece that, you know, you said you could have seen that for $150 on Grailed all day long. You know, I got this shit for like $4.

I don't know which Depop sellers you follow, but yeah, probably 150 or so. I know you're more of a traditional. Both of us, Gen Xers, we're big eBay heads. Yeah, I don't want it if it's that easy. I like to sniff around for my truffles. I don't like to go to Eataly and have them served up for me. Thank you for that great analogy, bringing it back to food. But I got some new drip for my birthday. You do have a new drip, and her name is Tabby. I've never been vocally against the Margiela Tabby style. I just never thought I could do it, but Alex gave me a pair of the Tabby loafers in black leather, and I got to say, bro, I think they're cool. The Tabby and the loafers together? You know you're in trouble. Oh, no. Yeah, they are a special type of footwear, aren't they? very special like their wearer big cb but what do you what do you what do you i mean i sent the group chat a pic what do you think i i think they they um they evoke a lot of hoof hoof like energy that's because i'm a stallion and you do not disagree christopher the stallion chris the stallion does not disagree i mean i um It's one of those things that I was always scared of, but I think I also thought of them more as a white-heeled boot because that's what women wear. So when I saw something more approachable, and I wore them to Mr. Chow last night, and I felt I was just galloping down Rodeo like it was nothing, bro. I was talking to my LP about the tabby loafers, And she was offended. She was making fun of me when I asked her what brand they were. Well, that's stupid. I mean, that's a stupid question, Jason. We all know the drip is Margiela. Okay, so follow-up question. She's like, you're joking, right? So my question is, is Margiela the only shoe or clothing company that makes a tabby?

shoe style well yes i mean i think that he's done a heeled boot there's like a canvas sneaker there's the loafer no i mean like so no other clothing brands or shoe brands makes a tabby at all this is this like a patented technology that yeah margiela has i don't i don't know if you remember this because you know you were wearing fucking flat brim fitteds but the um there was a there was a nike rift the air rift which is a very cool kind of running shoe that had a split toe um right right right that was when you were wearing herschel okay go ahead Bitch, I've never worn Herschel on God, and I will come through this microphone and slap the taste out of your mouth for that kind of talk. We ain't doing that, bro. We ain't doing that. Okay. So, long story short, Margell is the only company that has ever made a tabby shoe. That's my understanding, yes. I mean, the Rift is basically the sport version with the strap, and Nike also made the split-toe socks. It's very cool for a chick. I think for a dude, it's not cool, but great. A classic Nike piece. Mm-hmm. So are they comfortable? Give us a rundown. They're very comfortable. I'm going to wear them today for a meeting. Oh, thank God. And that's something that you would never wear a sock in. This is sockless only, right? They do make a split-toe sock, but loafer, I mean, I don't wear a sock. I rarely wear socks unless it's with sneakers anyway, so it kind of tracks for me. Mm-hmm. What do you do for our fellows out there who might have some sock? sockless issues you know in terms of maybe moisture and odor what are some what are some cb tips for those out here you better pray to god that should go away so you all you can do is really find find peace with your maker because there's nothing else that you can do And the pro tip that I always distribute, which is great advice for anybody, if you're going to wear a canvas shooter in the summer in those socks, buy a pair, throw a pair away, buy a new pair next season. Let's not be cheap. You know what I'm saying? I know it's not sustainable, but we're talking about $50 here. Because nothing is more uncool than a no-show sock. That is the least cool thing you can do. And trust me, if you think we can't see it, we can. We can see it. It's true. Even if you absolutely cannot see it,

We just know that it's there. We sense the energy of the no-show sock. Whatever shoe emanates big dick energy, no-show socks will take that away and give you tiny, tiny 50-year-old man driving a Porsche energy. What do you feel about the look of just walking around? I mean, what if you own the no-show sock? Like when you see people... men or women or all types of non-binary individuals as well, wearing a pant or a legging or something like that, and then just the no-show sock, no shoe, when they're just making TikToks in their kitchen. If you own that look, then what? What if it's a very attractive person doing it? Jason, I know what you're getting at here, and I'm not going to let you wear size 17 no-show socks. This does not apply to me at all. I'm talking about... If you're younger, you see a college hottie wearing the no-show socks with the confidence rivaling that of an Emrata, perhaps. No, we're out on that. We can't do it. The no-show, although I understand its existence and its boom in popularity in the last five to ten years, I will never accept it as an option for men or women. Unless you're doing reformer Pilates and you have grippy socks, then I'm going to let it slide. Only in the studio. Only in the studio. Or if you OD on drugs and you're in the hospital, they also give you a similar sock. That's fine, too. There's overdose socks? No, I'm joking, but there's a hospital sock that is grippy, similar to a grippy sock for a Pilates or yoga class that they would give you. Similar, but not the same. So not only is the food and beverage program at Cedars good, their atelier and their cobbler is also putting up some great products. Yes, the whole situation is on fleeky.

okay well that's good speaking speaking of um emrata she's she's trending right now for uh for a story that she wrote did you read it chris i read most of it and it was very good and i um is there anything that she can't do you know Honestly, I mean, I think it's also something I feel like only she could write, which I think is the key to writing in general, the point of view angle. And it's so wholly her in this way that we don't... Basically, she's talking about how she can recognize herself better in paparazzi photos than her in the mirror. And just the struggles that come along with that and how... There's a whole thing about Richard Prince painting her and her boyfriend buying it. It's good. It's really good. I think we all knew that she was capable of more, obviously. I think she's been on that trajectory for a while. More than what, Chris? More than a model, bro. More than just a pretty face. More than just a body in a Robin Thicke video. But it's interesting because I guess there's a whole I don't know if it's a book, but there's a collection of essays that this is from, that New York Magazine published the excerpt. But it's great. I mean, there's a reason it's going viral. It's very good. I think we also like, as a culture, when a celebrity, model, actress, singer, whatever it may be, does something kind of self-reflective but very, very good that we actually can't relate to. But it's like it's so it's so well done that you do are able to pull things from it that feel valuable. And I think that's kind of what this story did. We're able to actually truly empathize with somebody like Emily Ratajkowski, who it's pretty hard to find any empathy for. Exactly. Exactly. I'm a heartless monster when it comes to celebrities. And I felt a lot of empathy. And I'm I'm I that's powerful. Yeah, I saw that she was.

She was being sued by a paparazzi photographer for posting a photo of herself on her Instagram stories where you can't even see her face. Well, that's a common... way that's a common issue though with with now with these agencies like that is that's the thing that's happening now where the agencies are suing people for their own photos like that i've heard multiple stories about brands getting kicked off of instagram because because a claim is filed by the by the paparazzi agency which is just i mean it's all very confusing Because it makes no sense, but it's also just some weird business and laws that are obviously in favor of the photographer and the agency. But I do think it's pretty strange. They could find some loopholes in the system that are truly unfair. I would just like to be a fly on the wall in the courtroom proceedings of like, Your Honor, let the record state that the photos were not on the grid. This was only a story post. And then everyone in the jury goes, ooh. You get a little quiet hum and whisper amongst each other. I like this. I like this idea for the dramatic reenactment for the HBO show. Yeah, for Emrata, NCIS. But yeah, read the story. It's on newyorkmagazine.com. I'm sure you've seen it on the TL. It's doing a little something. We like to call in this show going viral. Viral. Virale. Okay, so we have a guest today, Tim Heidecker, who is known for being on the Tim and Eric show with Eric Warheim. He became an actual legitimate recording artist, not making comedy music, but actually making very good, honest, beautiful CB-style tunes on a friend of the pod, Jaga Jagua. He also has a new show coming out that actually got announced today. It's an A24 vehicle on Showtime called Moonbase 8, which I like the timing of this. You know what I'm saying? He's coming here to promote his new show, I guess. You're into the press tour energy that's going on. We went to Deadline. We saw the new shows being released on Showtime.

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Glendale. East Glendale. Right in the smoke zone. Glendale is what we call that. Tim, I am also in Glendale, but I'm in a different smoke zone, if you know what I'm saying, brother. Like hookahs or something? Yeah. Hanging out with the Armenians? That's exactly right. Jason is deeply embedded in the Armenian community. They respect him quite a lot for some reason. It took me a while. I'm West Glendale, though, so, you know, take with that what you will. I wish I had their respect. I don't get eye contact. How many cigs do you smoke? You're right. I got to find my park. I got to find my park and sit and smoke, and maybe I can. And also wear winter clothes throughout the year. Year-round? That is actually a perfect description of the Glendale Armenian community. Even as an outsider, I recognize those traits. Yeah, when I made the move from Atwater Village to Glendale, it was five minutes away, but a world apart. I never really felt fully welcomed by the Armenian community here. But now that I am a resident... I feel like I'm in their good graces now, and I don't exactly know why. I think it only really does boil down to smoking cigarettes. Well, maybe I'll have to start up again. Well, I'm good. I mean, no, don't do that. That voice is like honey, all right? Thank you. Now is your time. I mean, at least you're not. Are you vaping then? No, I'm not. I'm living a clean life right now, but I was. I did dip into the vape. uh like a year or two ago and it was way more i found it way more addictive than i remember cigarettes being i think oh yeah it's like and it also like uh it kind of like gave me all these weird facial tics and i was weird i was just like kind of i'm doing it right now but i kind of had these weird like my just uncontrolled like very subtle you know you wouldn't have noticed it but it was a little a little parkinson's yeah yeah and

I found myself sneaking into the bathroom at restaurants to puff, and it was like, what the fuck? How did this happen? This is awful. That's a cautionary tale, actually. Maybe that's why Juul got banned. I haven't heard something that serious before. No, vaping truly is way more fun than regular cigs I have experienced, and I miss it sometimes. I think about it. Just the ease of a morning puff without having to go outside. Yeah, I mean, it is a very, very, very temporary, very quick, good feeling. Damn. That describes a lot of things, I feel like. So, Tim, so you're in Glendale. You have, you know, we're in the middle of a nice little coronavirus. If you did have to leave, you know, if you fled the city and went somewhere else, where would you go? There's nowhere to go. There's no escape. You're not going to Utah or something like that? No, I don't like the desert. We drove up to Montana in July to see my sister, and she lives up in Butte, Montana. It's nice up there about two months out of the year, and we were there during one of those months. I think about going up there a little bit, maybe. It's a good hideaway. Then you've got all those shitty people up there. There's all these people with guns and trucks and stuff. I don't want to be around that every day. Well, those are my people, but I still don't want to be around them every day. Exactly. I grew up around those people in Pennsylvania. That's why I split. I forget that Pennsylvania has a deep redneck culture. I'm from Atlanta, and we have obviously a very deep redneck culture, but I feel like Pennsylvania is rivaling us. I think it's underreported. I would call it a fat neck group of people. So they're overweight and have guns and trucks? Yeah. I think it's the same vibe, but you guys just have more cheese consumption per capita than the South.

Yeah, my image of the typical Pennsylvanian where I grew up is a very, very morbidly obese man coming out of a diner, sucking food out of his teeth, sucking it with his lips. Yeah, we all know that sweet sound. Yeah, that's my ringtone. But did you live in Philadelphia for a while too? I did. Yeah, I went to Temple University in North Philly. So I was there for about five years. Do you harbor any feelings for Philadelphia? Because I hate it there. I mean, I was in college. I had a great time there. I made a lot of good friends. And last time I was there, I kind of walked through the... the historical section of the city which is cool it's cool that's there this this you know like independence mall and all that stuff is like it's this crazy connection to like a very ancient uh you know not ancient but you know i think old as hell old as hell yeah so you don't see that at all in california You definitely – I mean, last time I was there, I was on Ecstasy and saw Soul Wax play. So maybe I should revisit. I haven't been in a long time. That's pretty cool. It was cool, I guess. But you're right. California is a very new city. Yeah. Yeah, before the white man took it. Tim, let's talk about – I want to talk about your transition into the music career. I know your record came out – how long has it been now? It's coming out next week, I think. 25th? Yeah, the 25th. But you released the first kind of like... We're doing what you do. You put out some singles. We love singles. You put out some videos, one video, and you get the promotional... We were supposed to have another video, and it's still in the works, but yeah. We were hoping...

We were hoping this was a stop on your promotional tour. Can you say that for us, please? It is. I feel like you guys went outside the normal channels dealing with the PR gang. You went direct. We go direct. That's kind of our approach here at How Long Gone Industries. That's what I do with office hours. I just call my friends or bug them to come on. Yeah, we do the same except ours aren't as famous as yours, but still. We also don't believe in paying a retainer fee to a PR firm when you can just DM them. Yeah, I know, I know. It's hard to justify it because what I find is you do it and the same 10 places pick up the story and the same... The same 25 people look at it, and, you know, it's like... Do you get hit? Do publicists hit you about the podcast to have people on? No, we don't have anybody listening, so nobody cares. Perfect, perfect, perfect. Well, the record comes out in two weeks. You have two videos. There's two singles, right? Yeah, there's two singles. There'll be another single tomorrow. And the whole touring shit is fucked, right? Thank God. I don't want to have anything to do with that. That's how you make money. I know. Well, I make money other ways. Oh, okay, big dog. Tim's in the biz, man. So you are not a fan of the touring and the live show vibes, or you've just done it so much that you're ready to hang up the hat? I just did a big tour with Eric earlier in the year, and it's fun. That's fun. And music tours for me, I feel, will be hard. And I wouldn't make money because I would end up spending money to put on the best show. I'd bring a band and I'd try to travel comfortably and all that stuff. So it would kind of be this weird net even maybe loss. Damn. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I like playing music. I don't know if I'd want to do it like every night.

Tim, you're going to have to do it every night. I'm sorry. You wanted this rock star fucking lifestyle, bro. Yeah, you already had a career going. You know what? Nilsson never toured. Harry Nilsson. There's people that never toured because they felt like, I know Harry Nilsson had stage fright. And he was like, I'm not doing it. Fuck you. I'm staying in. That was back in the time when Harry could make enough money just off of record sales. So now touring and live shows are literally the only way a musician can make money. I'll tell you what. If this record becomes a sensation and there's an absolute... desire and a demand from a general public to see me play these songs in person, then we will figure it out. And I will go in gladly and put on a great show. So if your manager just keeps calling you every morning like, look, we're number one. Glastonbury wants you to headline. We are number one. Okay. This record's gone platinum. Everybody is obsessed with it. It's a sensation. You're the zeitgeist right now. Yeah, I'm going to put a band together. Kanye wants to open for you. Yeah. There we go. I think you should probably get on TikTok now. I think that could really help you explode. Yeah, I did a thing on TikTok a few months ago where I declared myself the king of TikTok, and I put up about... Three videos explaining that, and I haven't been on it since in about three or four months, so I don't know what my presence on TikTok is. Well, at least you own your handle. That's the first step in this battle of world domination. Well, I'm such an Oracle guy. I've always been Team Oracle when it comes to tech. I just love what they do. I love their systems. I love their networking. So I'm so excited about the future of TikTok and Oracle.

You want to talk about a fucking wireless router? Yeah. The good people down at Oracle, they're onto something. And I've known Larry Ellison for years. Sure, sure, sure. I'm just so happy for them. Success is great. When you first started releasing music that was serious and not comedy-related, How difficult was that or was it not difficult at all? And then the more you've done it, has it gotten easier or does it still feel a little foreign to you? Well, the perception of it has gotten easier. I thought it was originally going to be... uh interesting that i was always you know do try every time i do something it should feel a little different or it should feel like it's not what you expect because that would get boring if i just kept kind of churning out the same kind of stuff so And a lot of people appreciated that. I think there's a lot of people that don't like the kind of music I make, that like the kind of comedy I make. It's just a different kind of thing. It's like people consider it dad rock or whatever. It's their dad's music. They want to listen to the Travis Scott and not... People who are name-checking Harry Nilsson, for example. But there is an audience for it. And the more I do it, I think the more people are comfortable with like, okay, I don't expect this to be insane or really goofy. So it's gotten a little easier. I mean, I just like doing it. And I like working with the people I get to work with. And the process of it is sort of why I do it. And it's always like kind of... Not an afterthought, but the annoying part is putting it out. I'd rather... Cool. Here it is. I hope you like it. But if you don't, there's nothing much I could do about it. Did you put a new band together for this record? Somewhat. It was a collection. It was this guy, Drew Erickson, who kind of produced it with me and Natalie. He sort of assembled this...

wrecking crew uh group of people that that that he's all buddies with some of them i had played with before but this group called the lemon twigs uh a bunch of old session heads yeah a bunch of old cell session guys wearing saint laurent i know who you're talking about yeah no well the lemon twigs are like 22 years old but but they're old souls like they play they're just absolute geniuses musically and uh So some of those, like some names, if you will, but also some just solid players who show up on a lot of these kind of records nowadays. And did you do it in L.A.? Yeah, we tracked in L.A. Yeah, we ended up going to this studio in the valley called Valentine Studios that was this weird... like a time capsule. There was this 70s, 60s and 70s studio where like the Beach Boys recorded and people like that. But it was boarded up in the late 70s and just opened back up a few years ago. And it's like you walk into like a... Rock and Roll Hall of Fame exhibit or something where it's like all preserved orange carpet and brown baffles everywhere and stuff. So it was very much... The cocaine is still on the mirror. The cocaine and quaaludes are all over the place, yeah. Damn, very, very cool. And Natalie is Wiseblood, correct? Natalie is. Natalie is Wiseblood. Natalie is. And you guys had a relationship before this? Not really. We had known each other. We had played a couple shows together on the same bill, and we had some mutual friends. But it was pretty casual. I couldn't say if she was a good friend or anything before we recorded. It was a little bit of a, let's see. Still isn't. Still is not. Still purely work. Purely a work relationship. Honestly, guys, I don't really like her that much, but she's fun to work with. Hey, you know what? She brings talent. She's a super singer, but a nightmare to be around. Some of a crummy gal to be around. No, it was a fun experience. It kind of just like...

Sometimes you have to just try a collaboration, see if you get along. If it didn't, it probably wouldn't have gone past a couple days in the studio, but we got along well and liked all the people we were around, so we kept at it until we had enough songs to warrant an album. I was going to ask you, did you go in with the songs or did you write them in the studio? No, I had like five or six songs that I had just sort of sitting around. And I brought them in. And after that session, I kind of wrote another batch with the project in mind more specifically. And I think there's some changing in writing and finishing that happens in the studio. But for the most part, they were. And then there's one song in the record that I wrote the words for. We kind of experimented with the style of I'll write the words and Natalie wrote the music and sang it. So the last song in the record is just this beautiful Wiseblood song that's on my record. It's like this weird bonus thing that I get to have on my record. Let's hope that gets picked up for a key commercial. Am I right, baby? Yeah, I would appreciate it. I appreciate song placement in anything. I have no objections to that. We love song placement on this podcast. It's a big thing that we like to talk about. Well, there aren't really enough ukuleles and whistling on the record, maybe, but, you know. Yeah, I mean, you're going to need some more whistling for the helpful Honda dealership commercial. I keep hearing there's a Mercedes commercial that was playing incessantly during the U.S. Open, and it has some really bad strokes ripoff British band in the commercial, and it's really jarring. And now I shazammed it so many times, I can't get the song out of my head. But it was an interesting modern choice, I thought, for Mercedes. That's amazing. They're constantly innovating. They really are, dude. They're pushing it forward.

Tim, what kind of music do you listen to when you're like turning up? Do you have any type of turn up music? Turn up? What do you mean? Like get jazzed? Get excited? Yeah, get excited. Maybe you're doing tequila shots. You're celebrating a victory. You just sold a script or something like that. You know who I've been listening to a lot that really puts me in a good mood are the Faces, which are Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood and Ronnie Lane. And that's fun music. I was like, God, these guys are kind of more fun than the Rolling Stones, if you want that kind of thing. I highly recommend. It's a little controversial, I know. Yeah, faces are great. I don't disagree with you, though, but I don't think about it that much, so thank you for the reminder. So you're not listening to any modern rap music, dance music, anything like that? No, I have no idea. You have kids, right? That's true. Yeah, I have a seven-year-old, and she's starting to find modern music that she likes on her own. Did you take her to McDonald's to get the Travis Scott burger or no? I don't know anything about it. We try not to go to McDonald's, so no. You're a good parent. Okay, good answer. I was worried that you had to do that, but we won't explain that marketing ploy to you. But she's listening to modern music, like radio stuff or something that you're introducing her to? No, just probably in movies, like these animated movies. They always sneak one of those songs in. The one song I did like from one of her movies. that I really do genuinely love is Try Everything by Shakira. And it's in this movie called Zootopia. And it sounds like an ABBA song, and it's very catchy. We're familiar with the song, Tim. Okay. Don't mansplain Zootopia to me. No, I haven't. I'm not familiar with that Shakira song. I do like another song of hers called She Wolf, which is taking back the werewolf narrative for the ladies. I would recommend that song. That's probably my favorite Shakira song. Maybe we'll end this episode with that. But it has another ABBA-like disco feel to it. Yeah, I'll check it out.

I forget that are a lot of these kids' movies made for adults to enjoy as well? I always hear people say that, but is that true? I think they're trying to think of the parents a little bit. There's a quality index, I guess. The Pixar movies I do genuinely think are pretty solid and well-made. Some of them are actually... better than most movies um but there's a lot of fucking trash and i and they're they tend to be they're extremely they're very long a lot of the time they feel very long they're very like complex and uh full of story and like my daughter was watching like this lego movie second lego movie and it felt like there were about 14 different endings because i was kind of popping in and out i'm like It sounds like this movie's wrapping up, but then like a whole other thing happens. It's just like, it's incredible. And these kids. What is this? The Irishman? Exactly. No, I, yeah, I don't, I find, cause I think a lot of adults see stuff like the Lego movie by choice and I just couldn't be bothered to see something like that. I don't understand the appeal. i think the simpsons had a lot of that when i was younger they always had like you know something to make your uncle chuckle while you're shrek was the one that did that first probably right where it was like this was for kids but there's going to be some pop culture references in here um yeah i i don't care for that tone at all uh you know i don't need that i don't need that i don't need to be pandered to just i'm looking for something to to to separate myself from my kid for an hour and a half. Like, don't worry about me. Yeah, I'm not here for this. It's for her. Right. How are your kids handling the whole school from home, not allowed to see your friends situation? You know, they're doing okay. Or are they seeing their friends and you're disobeying the law? No, we're pretty good about it. There's like one kid that we see that, but there's a...

You know, there's this kind of natural move. She's right at the age where she can play these interactive games on her iPad that are like this thing called Roblox, which is a whole – it's like a – what do you call that thing with the Minecraft? It's kind of like that. And she ends up like socializing with kids in that world, and it's not obviously ideal, but it's not like she's some kind of – you know, hermit, some kind of... She's interacting virtually. Yeah. She seems pretty good. Thanks to the good people at Oracle. God, thank you so much, Oracle, for keeping our systems intact. Speaking of kids, you know, now that you're getting older, you have some kids, do you feel... a greater responsibility for the content that you're putting out? No, not at all. Okay, got it. Zero, why not? Or I mean, do you think that'll ever happen or you're just always going to be a badass like that? Well, I don't see our stuff as being that controversial, but I don't know. I don't tend to like intentionally do something that's going to be really overly, you know. You're not setting out to offend or hurt people's feelings? Not really, no. So yeah, I mean, if anything, it always provided inspiration when I had a baby going around the house with diapers. I think there's a period in our work where you see a lot more diaper comedy. There's a Bedtime Stories episode where Eric's addicted to eating diapers. And so... You know, I guess I probably draw from them more than anything. So you see the dirty diaper and you look at that as a blessing. I can do a hot 15 on that instead of I don't want to change this dirty diaper. No, it's more like, yeah, I see it all as fodder. That's great. That's the best approach to life. Do your kids watch your content or listen to your content at all?

Well, my daughter is very aware of office hours. She's been on before. She loves it. If I started doing these sort of very casual live streams on YouTube where I'm just kind of sitting around playing my guitar and stuff, and she's already got that bug where she comes on and is like, hi, everybody. I'm Tim's daughter and just wanted to say hi. And she's really got that. whatever, bug. Content creator bug. Yeah, she's going to have her own Instagram channel shortly with beauty tips for seven-year-olds. Don't sound too excited. That's awful. I take that back. That's fine. That might already exist, to be honest. This could be a burgeoning market. Tim, did you see the Paul Rudd video where he's teaching kids that wearing a mask is cool? I did see that, yeah. I was curious to hear your thoughts on it. Not for any particular reason, but I've seen a lot of friends of mine offer all different types of commentary on it. You know what? Paul is a good guy. He's a friend. We always love when it starts with that. Yeah, and so I'll refrain from any further commenting at this time. Look, Paul's Paul. He's a great guy. Okay, that's fine. Nothing can take away. from the kind of person Paul is and the kind of work he generally does. Chris, what did you think about it? I mean, it's trash, but I kind of agree with Tim. It's like Paul's given us so much. I don't even know the guy, but I'm going to give him a pass for this personally. Yeah, I'll give him a pass. The other thing that I saw today that I would like to talk about with both of you is that Noel Gallagher is a confirmed super spreader. Oh, right. Yeah, I saw that. And as a Liam head, as a Liam Gallagher head, I'm honestly, I'm kind of happy about it. It kind of ends the battle of which brother is your favorite for me. I don't know how you guys feel about it. Well, that seems contradictory to your super spreading sympathizing though, Chris. Well, I mean, I...

What I do, Jason, and what I say are two different things. I don't want to preach super spreading. I just want to do it. So what is Noel doing exactly? Noel said masks are like, we need to be liberated from the mask. He'll walk into Tesco with the mask off is what you're saying. Exactly. And Ian Brown from the Stone Roses is on the same wave. What is it about these Brit poppers? They're dumb. They're dumb. They're dumb guys. They're dumb guys. That's what we all forget about a lot of these musicians. Like the Beatles. They chose music because they're not smart. Yeah. I mean, I love the Beatles more than anybody, right? But when John Lennon got political, I love it. But also, he's... he's not super educated. So he got like really into, in deep with like these very radical guys, you know, and like the, like the Bobby, whoever, like in the weather underground or whatever. And he's like, you could see him being like, Oh, I just, maybe I better step back from this citrus scene. But I mean, Noel, the Gallaghers can't be too bright. Right. I mean, they can't be, you know, we're, we're a very pro Oasis podcast, but I'm going to accept your slander because I, I deeply, I agree with you. It's true. Where they lack in maybe an IQ test, they make up for in stage presence. Absolutely. I mean, they're the swaggiest rock band of my time, I would say, as far as coolness goes. Yeah, I was never a fan. I was not an oasis. Not that I just like them actively. You more of a blur fella, Tim? Oh, sure. I like blur, but I liked... You mentioned the Stone Roses. I liked the Stone Roses. I don't know. That mid-90s Brit pop stuff, I never was really into it. Sorry. When it was the mid-90s, you're around 40 or so? Yeah. I would say my mid-90s were a mix of classic rock. You're Beatles, Stones, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin.

sure uh the classics but then you know um i have to say i've been going back to this because it's been a while since i listened to it but like siamese dream from uh smashing pumpkins that was big big i was like great cassette i was a record i would say i was a big fan of that i would be embarrassed i would you know this is embarrassing but i probably listened to the counting crows a lot oh you know Tim, funny you say that. I played a Counting Crows song in the car with Jason just the other day, and he acted like he was going to throw me out of the car. Yeah, I mean, I can't say that stuck with me, but not only the Counting Crows, but the Black Crows. Wow. You and Chris have very, very similar musical tastes. Yeah. The Black Crows, are you familiar with the two? the tour they did with oasis called the brotherly love tour no which is one of one of the more brilliant thing but the black crows are one of atlanta's best exports that i feel like are very underappreciated um yeah except for 90s sluts they loved it yeah that's true yeah yeah i i found that i listen to black crows all the time to this day Yeah, that one record, that Southern Music whatever it is, the brown one, it's great. It's a great record. So Tim, you never have a straight edge phase or a hip hop phase at all? No. Good for you. I grew up in Allentown, Pennsylvania, and straight edge, hardcore straight edge. Big scene. Was huge. And most of the friends of mine loved it or were into it, part of that scene. And I remember just hearing it in the back. I can very vividly imagine being the back of this guy's Jeep. and playing the loudest fucking hardcore, and it would just drain the life out of me. It would exhaust me to hear that music. It was like waterboarding for you. Yeah, it was so hyper-centralized or something. It was just so loud. I couldn't hear what anybody was singing about. I don't know what was going on. So I just would go home and listen to Van Morrison and Cat Stevens.

damn i'm also a van morrison i was just listening to some van morrison live this weekend as well oh man that uh is it the one the jazz festival the montro like 79 i think it's on youtube the whole thing is on youtube well the one that i love the live one that uh it's the um the what's the famous club the famous theater from the seven early 70s that bill graham had the uh whatever fuck something east oh the Fillmore. Fillmore East, yeah. I think there was a recording of it that came out as Too Late to Stop Now, I believe. Yes, yes, yes. That is the greatest thing ever. He's just off of Moondance, and he's playing that record, and he's playing some Astral Weeks, and his band is fully on fire. His bands are so fucking crazy. They're so good. It's insane. But did you listen to that growing up? Did your parents listen to that? Yeah, I think so. They had – yeah, I don't know how much they listened to that in particular, but I probably – yeah, I just had the CD. I had the – that CD I listened to a lot. I was really into the Talking Heads as well. I didn't find Van Morrison until I was an adult, and it really hurts me sometimes. I wish I would have known about it when I was 14 or 15. It could have changed me. I feel like I was a Rolling Stone magazine guy where I would subscribe, and then they had a great feature that they would feature a classic record from the 70s or something, and they'd write a little thing. And I would often go to the record store and buy it. Something like... obvious things now but like velvet underground and nico like i remember or pet sounds and you'd see these lists of like great records of all time and that kind of thing and it made me want to be like well if this is rolling stone said this is a great record i gotta check this out you know so i guess i became a little bit of a you know like into that era and trying to find all these things again you know before the internet it wasn't quite as obvious about all this stuff

Did you hang out at a record? Was there a local record store in Allentown? Yeah, we had a local record store called Toons. It feels very Canadian. That does feel very Canadian. Now that you've had your comedy career, you've had your musical career, are there any other goals that you're hoping to accomplish before you hang the boots up? I'd like to win an Oscar, an Emmy, Grammy, all those awards. I'd like to be included in that echelon, the EGOT. The EGOT crew. No, I just... So no cookbook? No other weird side project like that? Model trains, perhaps? No, nothing outside of this incredibly rich, diverse career I have, I think. Guys, I'm doing really well, so I could leave it at this. All goals have been achieved, so it's a little hard to figure out what to do every day. Damn. And are you using any type of self-help system to achieve all these goals? Are you reading the master, what's it called, the artist's way? I've always dabbled in that stuff or looked into it, and then I just get bored and give up. So are you just naturally motivated, or has that ever been a struggle for you? I go through – I think I go through phases of feeling really like energized with something and really productive. And then I have like periods of being very lazy and unproductive. And I think I try to use those times to watch stuff or read stuff or catch up on things. I've learned to not panic about that because it's like those are just – you have ebbs and flows of creativity and stuff. So in the meantime, you hope interesting projects come around that you could be – a part of, you know, like the show, the acting that I've done or other working on other people's things. And so, um, yeah, it's all, it's all a big chaotic mess usually. And it's like trying to like this, this fall, I've got a record and this show moon base coming out and maybe something else. And it's like, they're all crashing into each other at once, but I didn't make all those things at the same time. You know, they're all like, some of them are from like a year or so ago. And so.

There's a perception that maybe I'm constantly making stuff, and that's not really the case. Right, right. What's up with this? Film it all and let God sort it out. Yeah. Exactly. What's up with this new show? I saw the announcement today. It was so well-timed. Yeah, well, Moonbase, we made this show with John C. Reilly and Fred Armisen and Jonathan Kreisel, who's the director of Baskets and Portlandia. And we got together a few years ago, and we all are just such... fans of each other and friends with each other, we just thought, well, what could we do? What's a show we could do together that is kind of just the three of us kind of stuck in a room and like where we could just fuck around and improvise and goof off. And we have that relationship already just as friends like on text messages and stuff. And anyway, so we just kind of came up with this idea that we were these astronauts training to live on the moon and we're sort of stuck in the desert living together in this. dome. And we just sold the idea to A24, who makes stuff. And we shot it without a network or without any kind of TV person involved. We made six episodes off the grid from the entertainment industry. And then it was a weird thing. It was probably not the right thing to do, but it all worked out in the end. Then it was like going around to all these places saying like, here's a TV show that's fully finished. Does anybody want it? A lot of these places were like, what the fuck? No, that's not how we operate. We want to be in on the ground floor, this kind of thing. So was that independently funded or did A24 give you a budget for that? A24 funded it, fully funded it. They got deep pockets. Yeah, they're doing okay. But it was a risky move and it's worked out. I can't say it was smooth sailing the whole way. Where did you shoot it? In a desert? We shot it in LA, but there's this weird sand quarry up in Simi Valley that we shot at. I know the one. You know that sand. Yeah, that's where you go to get all your sand for your private beach. So yeah, we shot it up there, and then we shot it on a soundstage in Silmar.

Yeah, it was a weird thing to go and do like a full season of a show without really knowing what it was going to be. I mean, we had written it and we had kind of, you know, did all that prep and stuff. But there is this scary thing about like, all right, now the cameras are rolling and now we're supposed to actually do this. And there isn't like a, you know, that's why you make a pilot is you make something to see what it is and see what's wrong with it or what's right with it and stuff. We didn't do that because we're just... very arrogant about our own talents and our own abilities you know um and just like the idea of like getting all of us together yeah i mean the idea of getting all of us together at the same time uh and building a big set it just felt like let's just let's just shoot a season if we're gonna do this so i'm very that was a conscious that was like a very conscious decision even though you knew it was maybe not the best idea Yeah, it was just kind of like, let's just do this, and if it's a disaster, well, you know, like Paul wrote, we've made enough good stuff, and we can afford a few misses. Let's just film a TV show. Yeah. Get it over with. But we all just got along great, and it was really fun, and we're all really happy with it. It doesn't feel like anything any of us have really done before. And for various reasons, it feels like its own thing. So I'm excited for people to see it. So it's three guys who are stuck. I'm practicing for my Jimmy Fallon interview, as you can tell from my tone. Thanks. I'll get some bad jokes ready. I'll get some bad jokes ready. Give me one second. So the show is you three guys are astronauts, and you're going to go live on the moon, and it's like the biodome-style training facility. And then the hijinks ensues? That's correct. Nothing was... I don't know. Damn, I guess I don't need to watch it. Thanks, Jason. Yeah, it's sort of this, like, if there's any kind of, like, above the, like, kind of thematic thing going on, it's kind of this inept...

white men who are just kind of expecting everything to go right for them and nothing ever does, but there's this entitlement going on that we think is kind of funny that they're kind of made irrelevant by various things in the world. Ripped from today's headlines. A little bit, and there's this kind of prescient feeling of like... the way people might go crazy if they have to live together with people and not leave the house and wear protective gear whenever they breathe oxygen outside. So that worked in our favor. Another COVID victory. Yeah, exactly. Another one, another COVID victory. Now, are you a fan? Do you like when stuff all comes out at once or do you like things to be more episodic and weekly? Or is that passed us by? As a viewer, I would say it's terrific to have just everything there for you whenever you want. There's almost nothing I watch on a weekly basis that I'm all caught up on anyways. So things generally just kind of pile up and then they're already out so I can watch them whenever. I'm really enjoying Fargo, which I had not watched when it was on, so that's just all there to binge. I think if I was a creator, it's more fun to kind of drag things out or have things be on for various weeks, and it feels more like traditional television that I grew up watching. Build up a little anticipation. Yeah, get people to keep writing hot takes on. More press releases from my publicist to craft. I didn't think about that side of it, but it makes sense. I just feel like sometimes I watch things so fast, I have very little memory of what actually happened. When it's all handed to me. I plow through it, and then I might not be able to tell you in two weeks what even happened. Imagine if you were stoned, Chris. That's happening to you stone-cold sober.

I do like the small bites, especially if it's something I really love. What about a quick bite, though? We call it quick bites on this show. Okay, this is a Quibi-facing podcast. That's too quick. That is way too quick. I need to savor it a little more. How big was the Quibi deal that you turned down? You can tell us. Nothing delights me more than reading takedown articles on Quibi. you know, a beautiful Sunday morning brunch for me when I open up like a vulture article. That's how I used to be. But then I started, I kind of started feeling bad for some reason, even though there's no reason I should be feeling bad for these, you know, billionaire media conglomerate people. After a while, I was like, damn, they're kind of getting a raw deal. Yeah. I mean, I guess there's something, I've actually never really interacted with the interface, so I can't comment. Nobody has. Nobody. That's the whole problem. I had pitched a few things there, and what really turned me off right away was the development person being like, I love this. I think this is so cool. frankly, like this has to kind of go through Jeffrey and Jeffrey's got a certain, you know, he's got a certain idea of what's going to work. And I'm like, well, this is doomed to failure right now. I know it because what the fuck does he know about what anybody wants anymore? Like, you know, he certainly probably had his time where that was what he, but how do you, how do you stay connected to what, you know, if you're trying to figure out what people are going to want, it just seems like such a losing battle. That's why you hire bright young minds to do that job for you. Yeah, yeah. You should have said, well, you're my development executive. You believe in this so much. Go for it. And if you succeed, great. If not, that's what we learn. It's sort of like, that's how Mike Lazo at Adult Swim was always so great about just being like, listen, I don't really know what's going to work. I like this or I don't know if it's going to work, but I trust in you guys. And if you believe in it, then I'll support it. And you live and die by success or failure. And that's how you figure out what's good or bad or what's working or not working. Not this sort of like crystal ball about trying to predict what people are going to want.

Right. Yeah, do you think at what age do you think that you're going to Katzenberg out yourself and not be able to tell what will be a success or not? I have no idea if anything I'm doing is resonating or of interest to anybody. Because I don't know where people are seeing things. I don't know how people are seeing things. Who knows? I try not to overthink that too much. But most of your shit is available on all streaming services, correct? No, it's a mess. It's strewn out. HBO Max put up an awesome show, but then there's other things that aren't up there, and it's all locked behind paywalls and ripped off on YouTube. Brother, that's a mess. That's a fucking mess. It sounds like you need to get your team on this. I wish if I had a team, they'd be all over it. Tim, we talk a decent amount about fitness on this podcast. Could you break down your daily fitness regimen to us? Well, it ebbs and flows like everything. So about a month or so ago, I got really – I put some pounds on during quarantine, as I think a lot of people do. I got into some stress eating and some demotivated living. Demotivated living is really cool. I like that. Really cool phrase. So I started – I really, really dislike working out. I dislike the kind of painful – CrossFit kind of thing. I really hate that. I've tried that before. It's for the birds. Yeah, so what I've done is I live on about a mile and a half hill, and I've been taking two-hour walks when I can, like three or four times a week. So I'll take long, long walks, like six or seven-mile walks, and that's about it. And then I've been doing those little seven-minute...

thing those seven minute workouts on which is kind of that crossfit thing but it's it's not too bad and i play tennis telling me that oh you do i do play tennis but not this way you know this since we had the heat wave and then we had the smoke and so it's just been like it's not been great time to be outside you know but i do like we gotta go play some tennis sometime buddy i'm over here in fremont park in glendale all the time i'm not i'm not great i'm not great At all. Neither are we. We played yesterday, actually, and it wasn't too bad out there. Well, I'd like to play. You can text me at some point. I'm not, like I said, I'm average to below average, but I can play. That's what matters. Yeah. I mean, I'm surprised. So these big studios aren't paying for you to have a personal trainer or are you just rejecting that notion? I mean, look, I know a show about astronauts isn't fucking Tarzan. I look so bad in Moonbase. We're wearing these bad polos with khaki shorts. It's an unflattering look. And also, I think people assume I'm just fat. And they're like, well, we'll get the fat guy to do this part. be career suicide to lose too much weight yeah yeah i mean a lot of people a lot of people you know the jonah hill effect can be very real yeah it sure can um you were mentioning earlier um putting on some lbs in the quarantine doing some stress eating what what is your stress snack or snacks I went on this dark hole of peanut M&M's where somebody bought a big party-sized bag. Tim, we are kindred spirits. Wow. It's the best candy. We are big peanut M&M hive on this side. It is the best candy. And we somehow had a party-sized bag in the house, and nobody else was really eating them, and I would just pound those fuckers. First mistake is buying that bag. You can't ever let yourself buy that bag. Yeah, that's like buying a carton of American spirits. It ain't going to end anywhere good.

Have you ever tried the Unreal brand healthy version of the peanut M&M? Oh, no. I've never heard of such a thing. We'll messenger over a bag to the house. I think it could be the solution that you're looking for. All right. I'm in. I mean, you know, so in my house growing up, my dad was a big peanut M&M head. My mom would buy the five-pound bag that you speak of, but he would never bring it with him. He would get up and walk to get a handful and then walk back to the couch as if that was going to help him eat less. Whatever works. It did not work. So that's what I'm saying. Are you hauling the bag to the couch or are you faking it and pretending that you're eating less than you are? I never took the bag with me. I would definitely go up. I had a smaller little bowl that I would pile them up into and then refill that bowl several times. We call that a one-hitter. Yeah, exactly. So Tim, when you're doing your fitness walks, are you doing this solo or are you bringing a dog with you? No, solo, fully solo. And I do a mix of like listening to music, listening to maybe a book on tape or a podcast or something, and then just nothing. It's very good for ideas. And if I'm working on something, I generally find that if I focus on thinking about whether it's a new show idea or whatever, if I just think about that as I'm walking, like magic. Yeah. Answers come. There's studies that show that the act of walking stimulates certain idea-making brain patterns in your mind. It totally works. I am a firm believer in it. It's a little hard to commit that much time to doing it every day, but I try to at least four times a week, I guess. That's good. Chris, you could take a little page out of that book. What the fuck are you talking about?

You know, you're a little resistant of those meditative walks. I love exercise, but I like it to be, Tim, whatever you hate, I love. I want to be destroyed and yelled at. Exactly. That's my platform for 2020. But I just, yeah, I can't just stroll aimlessly. Even though it's not aimless, I know there's a point to it, but I have a hard time doing that. And I do think it is beneficial. But I feel that same idea hive happening when I'm running. When I say walk, I do a little bit of jogging. I will jog. I'll run a little bit and then walk and kind of go back and forth. Tim, lastly, I wanted to talk about your podcast Office Hours. To somebody listening who's never heard it before, could you describe what this program is? It started really as just a... call-in show or I put up a Skype and had audience, you know, anybody that wanted to call in and talk about whatever. And then I brought in, so I always did it in the morning and I called it office hours because it was like, you know, I could talk about if you wanted to get advice or ask me a question or whatever, that was my time I was offering. And as I kept doing it, Doug, who I've worked, Doug Lusenhop, DJ Doug Pound, came in and he started doing that sort of Fred Norris from the Stern Show thing with drops and sound effects and stuff. And then Vic came in, Vic Berger came in and started doing it as well. And then we figured out that we had this great little trinity of minds that made for like an entertaining kind of mix of... You know, like what you guys are doing, just kind of shooting the shit and talking. And then, you know, we'd get serious about if something crazy is going on in the world. And then taking calls. I love talking to people, like just getting to talk to some dude in, you know, Milwaukee or the Netherlands or, you know, around the world. People are listening in and calling in and telling me what they're thinking. And I absolutely love it. You could do that all day.

I could kind of do it all day. I do it standing up, which is also fun for my body. So it's good for my body. Keeping that little body tight and right. I wish. Do you ever get people who are calling in and trolling or pranking or anything like that? The disappointing thing is I used to get that a lot more because it was just like a Skype number that was on the screen when we were doing it. And since like COVID, since kind of we moved out of my office, my real office to my garage, we kind of moved to Zoom. And we sort of have our own audience now. It's less of sort of randos calling. It's more of like fans of the show. And I do miss that because I love when people call up and be like, you're a fucking idiot. Why don't you understand how great Trump is or something? And I'll be like, bring that to me every morning because I love getting angry and yelling at people and calling people idiots and stuff. So I miss that because everybody's so nice now, but it's still fun. And have you... Have you been able to turn the show into a revenue stream at all? Or are you doing it just for fun? Yeah, we've been able to. We've set up a Patreon and it's bringing in some real money. It's nothing like, it's not quit your day job, but there's four of us that equally split the pot. And, you know, we put some money into the show. We've made, you know, gussied up the studio and we pay an engineer and that kind of stuff. But it's chugging along. It's doing pretty good. And we sell some ads. And it's no Joe Rogan deal. But it's certainly worth my time. It's exciting. And it's cool that all of your friends get to work together and make a little cash on the side, help cushion the blow during these trying times. It's been good to have something to do every week. It feels like a good focus and a good way to spend my COVID times.

God bless. Well, thanks so much for doing this show, Tim. We appreciate it. Yeah, it was lovely to talk to you boys. Tell people where they can find you, etc. Yeah, plug the show, new record, all that stuff. Oh, Fear of Death will be everywhere September 25th in terms of Spotify and all that. Follow me at Tim Heidecker on Twitter and at Tim Heidecker, I think, at something, at Tim Heidecker on Instagram, maybe. Any of those places. I'm around imdb.com slash Tim Heidecker. Big slang. There we go. There we go, baby. That's what I was looking for. The Showtime. Showtime is coming November 8th. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Tim. We'll talk to you soon, bro. Bye-bye. Yeah, you too. Later. What's up?